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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 18:20:36 GMT
That's because a battery's life is dependent on how you use it. Likewise you would not get guarantees of an ICE engine lasting that time since people would just rev the bollox off it and grind the gears.
It turns out that if you use bidirectional charging it extends the life.
The problem though is similar to when people asked how long would flash memory keep the data. No one could know for sure as it was a new technology. We are also in the early adopters phase of the market. The technology in this phase is rapidly developing so people pay a premium to be the first to use it. Depreciation in this phase is steep due to the rate of change in technology. Solar is in a similar state. 23% efficiency is the industrial average, but theoretically we could have 100% energy collection. ICE engines are different. There is a theoretical limit to efficiency which is a perfect heat engine. This is 19c thermodynamic theory. I learnt it as a student decades ago. It's all partial differential equations. The trouble is you have this unfounded certainty in what you say, yet i don't think you have covered the textbook stuff.
EV's ate nothing more than glorified milk floats Baron... Daily Mail headline. EV ATE MILK FLOAT |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 18:21:12 GMT
its a debating forum , not a closed board for two people . You posted a claim on the main board , and im simply asking for proof instead of waffle. please back up what you are saying , or we can dismiss yet more of your rubbish as the usual pish we have come to expect. . I was letting you know you can read my answer to Orac. When do you ever answer anything zany FFS? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 18:22:01 GMT
EV's ate nothing more than glorified milk floats Baron... Daily Mail headline. EV ATE MILK FLOATEven a milk float has a smaller gob than you... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 18:28:48 GMT
Well thanks a bunch for condescending to reply. That vehicle was posted earlier by Bentley, who also pointed out that it costs $110,900 which seems to show that this net zero business is a rich man's game. I will never be able to afford that, My condescension mirrored the tone of your question. Fine but it does exist, proving it can be done. And many cars will soon follow as I linked. The ranges given by the EU are pretty accurate, they are keen not to repeat the false MPG ranges that cost Volvo and VW so much. I agree that 300 probably means 250 if you drive normally, heating on radio lights etc. Twice a year I travel 220 miles to see my wifes relatives. The journey takes about 5 hours, so a half hour break is welcome. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 18:34:20 GMT
I realise the Model 3 might not meet your personal expectations but it seems to be the answer to many driver's requirements. Its close relation the Model Y (mechanically and electrically identical, different body shape) was the best-selling car in Europe in 2023.
Your 3 miles per kWh seems rather low, where did you get that number? Tesla claim 13.2 km/kWh.
My 11 kw battery gives me about 30 miles on battery alone. So Bentleys figure seems more realistic. (Mines a hybrid 14kw battery with 3kw reserved for hard acceleration etc) |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 18:35:37 GMT
Daily Mail headline. EV ATE MILK FLOATEven a milk float has a smaller gob than you... They don't have a gob, biology not your strong suit either? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 18:40:56 GMT
Even a milk float has a smaller gob than you...
You were the one who made a big deal of me hitting an adjacent key FFS...
And EV's have no range whithout being charged if you can find a charger but it doesn't stop you singing their praises does it? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 11, 2024 20:01:57 GMT
Personally I have no problem with anyone buying an EV . Why should I ?
I have no problem with anyone enjoying their EV and telling everyone how happy it makes them . Why should I?
WhatI do have a problem with is net zero nuts pretending that EVs are far better than what they are l
They lack range ( the £110k EV zany mentioned has less range than my Hyundai). Their drivers are susceptible to range anxiety ( I’m not). ..add that to the fact that some owners might never be able charge them from home
They are comparatively expensive to buy and insure , They don’t last as long as ICE vehicles .
All the above is true . The “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts pretend that that they are not but they patently are .
From citing highly expensive cars to future speculation right up to sheer bollocks ..none of the EV fanboys have proven otherwise .
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 7:48:27 GMT
They don't have a gob, biology not your strong suit either?
You were the one who made a big deal of me hitting an adjacent key FFS...
And EV's have no range whithout being charged if you can find a charger but it doesn't stop you singing their praises does it? I made a joke out of a typo, gosh you're sensitive when its aimed at you, poor lil thing |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 7:51:24 GMT
You were the one who made a big deal of me hitting an adjacent key FFS...
And EV's have no range whithout being charged if you can find a charger but it doesn't stop you singing their praises does it? I made a joke out of a typo, gosh you're sensitive when its aimed at you, poor lil thing Nothing sensetive about me zany. I don't have to fuck off to another forum when the heat gets too hot in the kitchen. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 7:56:31 GMT
Mod Notice
tone it down please or someone is going to get suspended.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 8:00:10 GMT
Personally I have no problem with anyone buying an EV . Why should I ? I have no problem with anyone enjoying their EV and telling everyone how happy it makes them . Why should I? WhatI do have a problem with is net zero nuts pretending that EVs are far better than what they are l They lack range ( the £110k EV zany mentioned has less range than my Hyundai). Their drivers are susceptible to range anxiety ( I’m not). ..add that to the fact that some owners might never be able charge them from home They are comparatively expensive to buy and insure , They don’t last as long as ICE vehicles . All the above is true . The “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts pretend that that they are not but they patently are . From citing highly expensive cars to future speculation right up to sheer bollocks ..none of the EV fanboys have proven otherwise . Yes Bentley we've been here. You keep telling EV owners that their cars are no good, for various reasons. They fight back. All you have left now is 1, You can do more miles between filling up, which makes your Hyundai better than most Maserati's. Because obviously that's the most important thing in an ICE car. 2, You'd struggle to charge your EV if you live in a flat, actually you'd have to go to a charge point for 30 minutes All your other put downs about peoples EV's have been dealt with or are being dealt with. I haven't once said ICE cars are crap. Net zero nuts are not nuts, they are just people concerned about global pollution. (More insults from you and yours) |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 8:08:25 GMT
Personally I have no problem with anyone buying an EV . Why should I ? I have no problem with anyone enjoying their EV and telling everyone how happy it makes them . Why should I? WhatI do have a problem with is net zero nuts pretending that EVs are far better than what they are l They lack range ( the £110k EV zany mentioned has less range than my Hyundai). Their drivers are susceptible to range anxiety ( I’m not). ..add that to the fact that some owners might never be able charge them from home They are comparatively expensive to buy and insure , They don’t last as long as ICE vehicles . All the above is true . The “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts pretend that that they are not but they patently are . From citing highly expensive cars to future speculation right up to sheer bollocks ..none of the EV fanboys have proven otherwise . Yes Bentley we've been here. You keep telling EV owners that their cars are no good, for various reasons. They fight back. All you have left now is 1, You can do more miles between filling up, which makes your Hyundai better than most Maserati's. Because obviously that's the most important thing in an ICE car. 2, You'd struggle to charge your EV if you live in a flat, actually you'd have to go to a charge point for 30 minutes All your other put downs about peoples EV's have been dealt with or are being dealt with. I haven't once said ICE cars are crap. Net zero nuts are not nuts, they are just people concerned about global pollution. (More insults from you and yours) People can fill up their ice cars in less than 10 minutes...
If they were concerned about global pollution they wouldn't be splitting arsing across the globe 2 or 3 times a year. How many will walk to cop 29 for example?
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 8:10:39 GMT
Personally I have no problem with anyone buying an EV . Why should I ? I have no problem with anyone enjoying their EV and telling everyone how happy it makes them . Why should I? WhatI do have a problem with is net zero nuts pretending that EVs are far better than what they are l They lack range ( the £110k EV zany mentioned has less range than my Hyundai). Their drivers are susceptible to range anxiety ( I’m not). ..add that to the fact that some owners might never be able charge them from home They are comparatively expensive to buy and insure , They don’t last as long as ICE vehicles . All the above is true . The “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts pretend that that they are not but they patently are . From citing highly expensive cars to future speculation right up to sheer bollocks ..none of the EV fanboys have proven otherwise . Yes Bentley we've been here. You keep telling EV owners that their cars are no good, for various reasons. They fight back. Bentley will answer you in full later im sure, but once again you are making things up. Bentley and myself among others aren't saying EV cars are no good. They have their place , ive constantly said they are for a small niche market. What is being said is they aren't as good as petrol and diesel for most situations , hence until they improve dramatically , including charging infrastructure , or other fuels become available , people for the moment look to be sticking with petrol and diesel , the better option for most. you are one to talk though. Not content yesterday with hypocritically telling us about you allegedly flying to and from the Canary Islands , while lecturing the rest of us on saving the planet from pollution , you cant even fucking put your money where your mouth is and buy an EV. You have a hybrid. Hybrids as we know are being banned , despite the fact they are arguably more popular than full EVs. Stop misrepresenting people , and read what people are saying not what you think they are saying. Oh if this is you fighting back I would hate to see you in trouble. You make wild claims , then run off screaming when asked politely to back those wild claims up. Its forum etiquette to back up your comments , and when you fail to do so , as you have done with myself orac and other's , you are seen as a bullshitter , and dismissed. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 8:16:26 GMT
Yes Bentley we've been here. You keep telling EV owners that their cars are no good, for various reasons. They fight back. All you have left now is 1, You can do more miles between filling up, which makes your Hyundai better than most Maserati's. Because obviously that's the most important thing in an ICE car. 2, You'd struggle to charge your EV if you live in a flat, actually you'd have to go to a charge point for 30 minutes All your other put downs about peoples EV's have been dealt with or are being dealt with. I haven't once said ICE cars are crap. Net zero nuts are not nuts, they are just people concerned about global pollution. (More insults from you and yours) People can fill up their ice cars in less than 10 minutes...
If they were concerned about global pollution they wouldn't be splitting arsing across the globe 2 or 3 times a year. How many will walk to cop 29 for example?
zany being disingenuous once again though regarding charging. From empty to full , a typical 60 kwh EV takes just under 8 hours to charge according to what im reading with a 7 kwh charging point. I dont even think anyone with any sense would bother arguing with someone claiming they charge a full EV less than someone fills a petrol or diesel on average over the course of a month. Its laughable. |
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