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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 10:28:48 GMT
stop diverting , stop trying to muddy the debate , and answer the questions. How do you charge an ev from a block of flats in a city? If I live in a flat , im thinking about buying an ev ,these are the questions going through my head. If it costs more than a petrol diesel , and has far more inconvenience and problems , then I , as a potential hypothetical customer of yours , am mightily unimpressed by your poor sales an inability to answer my questions , hence yet another potential customer goes elsewhere for a diesel or petrol , or even the soon to be banned hybrid , and ev sales stall once again. I'm sorry you don't own me. I did, I said they would have to go to a charging station. another diversion , and victimhood squeal. the charging station question on a block of flats remained unanswered. As per usual. Zany........im sacking you from EV sales. simply not up to the task. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 10:30:41 GMT
stop diverting , stop trying to muddy the debate , and answer the questions. How do you charge an ev from a block of flats in a city? If I live in a flat , im thinking about buying an ev ,these are the questions going through my head. If it costs more than a petrol diesel , and has far more inconvenience and problems , then I , as a potential hypothetical customer of yours , am mightily unimpressed by your poor sales an inability to answer my questions , hence yet another potential customer goes elsewhere for a diesel or petrol , or even the soon to be banned hybrid , and ev sales stall once again. I'm sorry you don't own me. I did, I said they would have to go to a charging station. That's if you can find one that works and doesent have a long que... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 10:31:08 GMT
Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. This is simply gas lighting - you are speaking as if the rest of us have little experience driving cars and so 'don't really understand'. However, the problem is large, right in front us and readily apparent. In your scenario, the pain in rectum has simply shifted so you have to co-ordinate taking a substantial 'break' with the need to have the car charged when you arrive. Every driver knows that the very last thing they want to do is take a longish 'break' when they are the final legs of a long journey. The limitation affects the driver by limiting flexibility. Range anxiety is a just a name for the consequence of the dilemmas and limitations piling up and making a task more complicated or the knowledge that they likely will. That is your opinion, nothing more. Charging times to complete a long journey are measured in minutes. The time taken to go to the loo and buy a coffee. You know nothing about the subject and refuse to look it up and get to know. So feel free to remain ignorant. And even then you refer only to a tiny teeny weeny part of the driving most people do. With no balance of the advantages involved in owning an EV. I spend less time charging my car per year than you do filling up with petrol. Work that one out. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 10:32:28 GMT
This is simply gas lighting - you are speaking as if the rest of us have little experience driving cars and so 'don't really understand'. However, the problem is large, right in front us and readily apparent. In your scenario, the pain in rectum has simply shifted so you have to co-ordinate taking a substantial 'break' with the need to have the car charged when you arrive. Every driver knows that the very last thing they want to do is take a longish 'break' when they are the final legs of a long journey. The limitation affects the driver by limiting flexibility. Range anxiety is a just a name for the consequence of the dilemmas and limitations piling up and making a task more complicated or the knowledge that they likely will. I spend less time charging my car per year than you do filling up with petrol. Work that one out. prove it. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 10:33:39 GMT
This is simply gas lighting - you are speaking as if the rest of us have little experience driving cars and so 'don't really understand'. However, the problem is large, right in front us and readily apparent. In your scenario, the pain in rectum has simply shifted so you have to co-ordinate taking a substantial 'break' with the need to have the car charged when you arrive. Every driver knows that the very last thing they want to do is take a longish 'break' when they are the final legs of a long journey. The limitation affects the driver by limiting flexibility. Range anxiety is a just a name for the consequence of the dilemmas and limitations piling up and making a task more complicated or the knowledge that they likely will. That is your opinion, nothing more. Charging times to complete a long journey are measured in minutes. The time taken to go to the loo and buy a coffee. You know nothing about the subject and refuse to look it up and get to know. So feel free to remain ignorant. And even then you refer only to a tiny teeny weeny part of the driving most people do. With no balance of the advantages involved in owning an EV. I spend less time charging my car per year than you do filling up with petrol. Work that one out. Some of us do more than 5 miles a week FFS.. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 10:34:16 GMT
I spend less time charging my car per year than you do filling up with petrol. Work that one out. prove it. Don't hold your breath Tom... |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 10:36:08 GMT
I'm sorry you don't own me. I did, I said they would have to go to a charging station. That's if you can find one that works and doesent have a long que... again , we go back to the massive inconvenience of EVs comparable to petrol/diesel/hybrids , lack of infrastructure . We can see why EVs remain a small niche market for middle class wackos and tree huggers in the leafy suburbs who want to virtue signal about the climate. See the Scottish Parliament has come under fire fro using 10 grands worth of taxpayers cash to charge their EVs at the Scottish Parliament? As usual , the taxpayer footing the bill for these green headcases fantasies. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 10:39:05 GMT
I spend less time charging my car per year than you do filling up with petrol. Work that one out. prove it. I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Orac. Sorry, maybe some other time when you learn to be civil. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 10:41:12 GMT
That's if you can find one that works and doesent have a long que... again , we go back to the massive inconvenience of EVs comparable to petrol/diesel/hybrids , lack of infrastructure . We can see why EVs remain a small niche market for middle class wackos and tree huggers in the leafy suburbs who want to virtue signal about the climate. See the Scottish Parliament has come under fire fro using 10 grands worth of taxpayers cash to charge their EVs at the Scottish Parliament? As usual , the taxpayer footing the bill for these green headcases fantasies. Without considering the massive conveniences like service charges running costs pollution. And fantasies that wont get answered, ooh I wonder why? Very poor show. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 10:43:01 GMT
I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Orac. Sorry, maybe some other time when you learn to be civil. its a debating forum , not a closed board for two people . You posted a claim on the main board , and im simply asking for proof instead of waffle. please back up what you are saying , or we can dismiss yet more of your rubbish as the usual pish we have come to expect. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 11, 2024 10:46:42 GMT
I've got a good video on windmills here from B1M, which is a brilliant channel for civil engineering. These guys know what they are talking about.
It's for those who wish to educate themselves.
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 10:58:26 GMT
I apologise for farting when Winston Churchill died. Couldn't help it. I'd just polished off some beans on toast. They were a luxury during the Winston Death Throes. Oops ... Prrrrrooooop. There goes another one...
Thank you baron. Personally, I seldom miss the Bregenzer Festspiele. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 11, 2024 11:05:37 GMT
I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? How long does a car last? I would expect a non turbo manual car to last 100000 miles at least I hear that EVs have far less working parts so I might expect those to last longer . I suspect that you couldn’t find a current EV with batteries guaranteed to last longer than 100000 miles so you tried to be a smart arse. As usual .. you failed |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 11:29:56 GMT
again , we go back to the massive inconvenience of EVs comparable to petrol/diesel/hybrids , lack of infrastructure . We can see why EVs remain a small niche market for middle class wackos and tree huggers in the leafy suburbs who want to virtue signal about the climate. See the Scottish Parliament has come under fire fro using 10 grands worth of taxpayers cash to charge their EVs at the Scottish Parliament? As usual , the taxpayer footing the bill for these green headcases fantasies. Without considering the massive conveniences like service charges running costs pollution. And fantasies that wont get answered, ooh I wonder why? Very poor show. Stop with the wet dreams zany...You know full well EV's are nothing more than an expensive and inconvienient joke.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 11, 2024 11:31:46 GMT
How long does a car last? I suspect that you couldn’t find a current EV with batteries guaranteed to last longer than 100000 miles so you tried to be a smart arse. d That's because a battery's life is dependent on how you use it. Likewise you would not get guarantees of an ICE engine lasting that time since people would just rev the bollox off it and grind the gears.
It turns out that if you use bidirectional charging it extends the life.
The problem though is similar to when people asked how long would flash memory keep the data. No one could know for sure as it was a new technology. We are also in the early adopters phase of the market. The technology in this phase is rapidly developing so people pay a premium to be the first to use it. Depreciation in this phase is steep due to the rate of change in technology. Solar is in a similar state. 23% efficiency is the industrial average, but theoretically we could have 100% energy collection. ICE engines are different. There is a theoretical limit to efficiency which is a perfect heat engine. This is 19c thermodynamic theory. I learnt it as a student decades ago. It's all partial differential equations. The trouble is you have this unfounded certainty in what you say, yet i don't think you have covered the textbook stuff.
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