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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:00:28 GMT
This is fun zany .The charge arm looks like another variation of the lamp post charging in the street. it's going to be fun watching the neighbours fight over who takes the turn charging their car in city centre streets . What practical solutions that are similar to or less incovenience to running petrol and diesel are they coming up with? every suggestion involves forking out more cash , and having more inconvenience ? Yet without massive government subsidies , EVs aren't selling ,and the one that is relatively popular , the hybrid , is due to be banned . It's you gullible liberals and your fantasies that keep moving the goal posts , yet no matter what you come up with the general public aren't convinced. No, the charging arm is bought by the property owner and fitted to their house. It's basically a stick you hang a charging cable on. how do you do that for 6 storey high tenement flats somewhere like Cowcaddens in Glasgow? again , the solution doesn't make sense in the real world. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:05:07 GMT
This is fun zany .The charge arm looks like another variation of the lamp post charging in the street. it's going to be fun watching the neighbours fight over who takes the turn charging their car in city centre streets . What practical solutions that are similar to or less incovenience to running petrol and diesel are they coming up with? every suggestion involves forking out more cash , and having more inconvenience ? Yet without massive government subsidies , EVs aren't selling ,and the one that is relatively popular , the hybrid , is due to be banned . It's you gullible liberals and your fantasies that keep moving the goal posts , yet no matter what you come up with the general public aren't convinced. EV's aren't selling well because they are a long term big spend investment at a time when our economy is fucked. You probably already know that, but it slipped your mind and spoils your argument. eh? yet meanwhile over in yank land , we are told us economic data is good , yet EV sales are declining? poor auld zany. back to you mate. the Americans have concerns about EV infrastructure , same as us , battery maintenance and high costs. They aren't popular in countries where the economy is doing good , as well as countries like us where labour are strangling growth. back to the book of green excuses mate to look for the next excuse . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:05:32 GMT
How long does a car last? what a stupid fucking question ? how long is a bit of string? I would suggest a good quality car bought new or from nearly new should be going at least ten to fifteen years. some people lease cars every three to five years , which might be the way forward for you tree huggers and the disaster of batteries failing 5 to 7 years , where you can hope the lease company will foot the bill . This will doubtless be put onto the monthly lease cost though. There isnt one ev that im aware of , where the battery lasts longer than the car itself. As bently suggests. Well of course its stupid. But in order to answer Bentleys stupid question you would need that figure. No one knows how long the batteries will last because EV's haven't been around long enough to know. And in any case to stupid question is loaded to illicit he answer required by the idiots posing them. Not a genuine question such as what is the predicted life of a battery, how easy is it to change, what will that cost, does it still work out cheaper than buying petrol. In most new EV's for the last couple of years, you can replace individual groups of cells rather than the whole battery. Maintenance on EV's is cheaper because of the lack of moving mechanical parts. Sshhh, don't point that out, just answer Bentleys loaded question. You're right, I am stupid. I keep hoping for some balanced reasoned conversation on here, but its just a little group of ticko buddies backing up each other thoughtless claims with Yer Yer |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:07:12 GMT
what a stupid fucking question ? how long is a bit of string? I would suggest a good quality car bought new or from nearly new should be going at least ten to fifteen years. some people lease cars every three to five years , which might be the way forward for you tree huggers and the disaster of batteries failing 5 to 7 years , where you can hope the lease company will foot the bill . This will doubtless be put onto the monthly lease cost though. There isnt one ev that im aware of , where the battery lasts longer than the car itself. As bently suggests. Well of course its stupid. But in order to answer Bentleys stupid question you would need that figure. you are waffling again. He asked which EV battery outlasts the car. We all know the point he is making , but because the answer isnt palatable to you green nut jobs , you try and muddy the water with idiotic questions. Muddy away. It won't improve EV sales , or bring net zero an inch closer. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:12:01 GMT
what a stupid fucking question ? how long is a bit of string? I would suggest a good quality car bought new or from nearly new should be going at least ten to fifteen years. some people lease cars every three to five years , which might be the way forward for you tree huggers and the disaster of batteries failing 5 to 7 years , where you can hope the lease company will foot the bill . This will doubtless be put onto the monthly lease cost though. There isnt one ev that im aware of , where the battery lasts longer than the car itself. As bently suggests. You're right, I am stupid. I keep hoping for some balanced reasoned conversation on here, but its just a little group of ticko buddies backing up each other thoughtless claims with Yer Yer yawn. Im the only scot indy supporter on this forum , and have my political differences with many on here , yet because on the inter web , like in the real world , we aren't convinced with the pig in a poke you green nut jobs are trying and failing to sell ,and are asking difficult questions of the cult members , we are ganging up on you? lol. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:12:38 GMT
Of course range anxiety is solved by increasing range, once you increase range beyond that you can reasonably manage in a day and that used in everyday life, then people stop worrying. When you return to your EV to make your 86 mile journey home and it says you have 295 miles left in the tank, you don't worry. 99% of people in the UK will never use the range of their EV in a day. This is not the case. Am empty EV at the end of a long journey is either a problem you plan for today or you have to deal with tomorrow. In an IC car this tension rarely manifests because making sure the car is fueled before entering an area where refueling may be a pain is so quick. If you do a comparison on the basis of range/refuel time, BEVS would have to expand their range by an order of magnitude (ie 300 miles to 3000 miles) to have the same relationship - that is, IF the recharge time remained constant. I find these conversations quite baffling. Everyone knows what it is like to drive a car - so this is the equivalent of trying to convince people that a unicycle is an absolutely adequate replacement for a bicycle Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. 1, Hardly anyone makes such a journey more than once or twice a year at the very most. 2, When they do they plan. You're getting desperate in your reasons to hate EV's |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:17:16 GMT
No, the charging arm is bought by the property owner and fitted to their house. It's basically a stick you hang a charging cable on. how do you do that for 6 storey high tenement flats somewhere like Cowcaddens in Glasgow? again , the solution doesn't make sense in the real world. I know, and what do you do with your petrol car if there's no parking spaces. Its a common issue. I guess if you look hard enough you can always find a problem if you really want to. What about people living in a tenement flat who can't afford a car at all, surely we should cover them as well? What about those who never learned to drive? My god the situation is just impossible. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:22:47 GMT
how do you do that for 6 storey high tenement flats somewhere like Cowcaddens in Glasgow? again , the solution doesn't make sense in the real world. I know, and what do you do with your petrol car if there's no parking spaces. It's a common issue. You talk about balanced views , and sensible posts , full of courtesy , and you come out regularly with this diversionary pish. The question isnt what do you do if you cant park outside a block of flats in your petrol car. The question is how do you charge your EV from a block of flats. You posted a picture of a charging arm , and I asked the above question (yet again) you quote above , and you divert onto lack of parking spaces being a common issue for petrol cars , ignoring the elephant in the room about charging and main question. Thats why generally no one takes you serious , and you are a figure of ridicule. It's not because we are all ganging up on you. Its because you are completely dishonest and incapable of rationally debating your green cults ideology. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:26:15 GMT
I know, and what do you do with your petrol car if there's no parking spaces. It's a common issue. You talk about balanced views , and sensible posts , full of courtesy , and you come out regularly with this diversionary pish. The question isnt what do you do if you cant park outside a block of flats in your petrol car. The question is how do you charge your EV from a block of flats. You posted a picture of a charging arm , and I asked the above question (yet again) you quote above , and you divert onto lack of parking spaces being a common issue for petrol cars , ignoring the elephant in the room about charging and main question. Thats why generally no one takes you serious , and you are a figure of ridicule. It's not because we are all ganging up on you. Its because you are completely dishonest and incapable of rationally debating your green cults ideology. Yes I do, and when its offered I return it. I see no reason to be polite to an arse who's rude to me. I'm not saint Zany, I'm reasonable Zany. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 11, 2024 9:30:52 GMT
This is not the case. Am empty EV at the end of a long journey is either a problem you plan for today or you have to deal with tomorrow. In an IC car this tension rarely manifests because making sure the car is fueled before entering an area where refueling may be a pain is so quick. If you do a comparison on the basis of range/refuel time, BEVS would have to expand their range by an order of magnitude (ie 300 miles to 3000 miles) to have the same relationship - that is, IF the recharge time remained constant. I find these conversations quite baffling. Everyone knows what it is like to drive a car - so this is the equivalent of trying to convince people that a unicycle is an absolutely adequate replacement for a bicycle Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. 1, Hardly anyone makes such a journey more than once or twice a year at the very most. 2, When they do they plan. You're getting desperate in your reasons to hate EV's When I was younger I commuted from Buckinghamshire to Manchester as I lived in two places at once with social life in 2 places, work in one place. You could do the journey in 3hrs, but my normal thing was to stop off around Birmingham just to get as break from driving for 20m. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:31:15 GMT
You talk about balanced views , and sensible posts , full of courtesy , and you come out regularly with this diversionary pish. The question isnt what do you do if you cant park outside a block of flats in your petrol car. The question is how do you charge your EV from a block of flats. You posted a picture of a charging arm , and I asked the above question (yet again) you quote above , and you divert onto lack of parking spaces being a common issue for petrol cars , ignoring the elephant in the room about charging and main question. Thats why generally no one takes you serious , and you are a figure of ridicule. It's not because we are all ganging up on you. Its because you are completely dishonest and incapable of rationally debating your green cults ideology. Yes I do, and when its offered I return it. I see no reason to be polite to an arse who's rude to me. I'm not saint Zany, I'm reasonable Zany. stop diverting , stop trying to muddy the debate , and answer the questions. How do you charge an ev from a block of flats in a city? If I live in a flat , im thinking about buying an ev ,these are the questions going through my head. If it costs more than a petrol diesel , and has far more inconvenience and problems , then I , as a potential hypothetical customer of yours , am mightily unimpressed by your poor sales an inability to answer my questions , hence yet another potential customer goes elsewhere for a diesel or petrol , or even the soon to be banned hybrid , and ev sales stall once again. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 9:33:39 GMT
Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. 1, Hardly anyone makes such a journey more than once or twice a year at the very most. 2, When they do they plan. You're getting desperate in your reasons to hate EV's When I was younger I commuted from Buckinghamshire to Manchester as I lived in two places at once with social life in 2 places, work in one place. You could do the journey in 3hrs, but my normal thing was to stop off around Birmingham just to get as break from driving for 20m. I feel that it would raise the tone of this quotidian blog if, ever and anon, my dear baron , you would publish selections of your anecdotes from the Salzburg Festspiele. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 10:23:43 GMT
Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. 1, Hardly anyone makes such a journey more than once or twice a year at the very most. 2, When they do they plan. You're getting desperate in your reasons to hate EV's When I was younger I commuted from Buckinghamshire to Manchester as I lived in two places at once with social life in 2 places, work in one place. You could do the journey in 3hrs, but my normal thing was to stop off around Birmingham just to get as break from driving for 20m. Gosh, the days you could do London to Manchester in 3 hours... |
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Post by Orac on Nov 11, 2024 10:25:13 GMT
This is not the case. Am empty EV at the end of a long journey is either a problem you plan for today or you have to deal with tomorrow. In an IC car this tension rarely manifests because making sure the car is fueled before entering an area where refueling may be a pain is so quick. If you do a comparison on the basis of range/refuel time, BEVS would have to expand their range by an order of magnitude (ie 300 miles to 3000 miles) to have the same relationship - that is, IF the recharge time remained constant. I find these conversations quite baffling. Everyone knows what it is like to drive a car - so this is the equivalent of trying to convince people that a unicycle is an absolutely adequate replacement for a bicycle Dream on, I know loads of people with EV's none considers range anxiety an issue anymore for the reasons I have given. Range anxiety was not about worrying when I'll get time to re-charge. It was sitting in a traffic jam knowing your tiny petrol tank (Equivalent) was already hardly big enough for the journey you had in the first place. Refuelling on a journey in excess of 250 miles is not a pain because you plan it to tie in with a break. A journey of such length takes in excess of 6 hours in this country. This is simply gas lighting - you are speaking as if the rest of us have little experience driving cars and so don't really understand. However, the problem is large, right in front us and readily apparent. In your scenario, the pain in rectum has simply shifted so you have to co-ordinate taking a substantial 'break' with the need to have the car charged when you arrive. Every driver knows that the very last thing they want to do is take a longish 'break' when they are the final legs of a long journey. The limitation affects the driver by limiting flexibility. Range anxiety is a just a name for the consequence of the dilemmas and limitations piling up and making a task more complicated or the knowledge that they likely will. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 10:25:39 GMT
Yes I do, and when its offered I return it. I see no reason to be polite to an arse who's rude to me. I'm not saint Zany, I'm reasonable Zany. stop diverting , stop trying to muddy the debate , and answer the questions. How do you charge an ev from a block of flats in a city? If I live in a flat , im thinking about buying an ev ,these are the questions going through my head. If it costs more than a petrol diesel , and has far more inconvenience and problems , then I , as a potential hypothetical customer of yours , am mightily unimpressed by your poor sales an inability to answer my questions , hence yet another potential customer goes elsewhere for a diesel or petrol , or even the soon to be banned hybrid , and ev sales stall once again. I'm sorry you don't own me. I did, I said they would have to go to a charging station. |
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