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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 18:58:47 GMT
Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car .? Unless you mean that the car doesn’t last very long I see specifications of 6000 cycles for standard solar batteries. There are hundreds of different formulations of battery. I'm not doing your homework since you will throw it back in my face no matter what. I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 19:55:48 GMT
I see specifications of 6000 cycles for standard solar batteries. There are hundreds of different formulations of battery. I'm not doing your homework since you will throw it back in my face no matter what. I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? ive just read the battery makes up a third of the cost of an EV. What are we talking here .......maximum five to 7 years lifespan? Jesus Christ. the plot thickens. It's a no thank you from me and mine im afraid. You would need to be mental , or incredibly rich and mental , to waste valuable cash on this shite. I think I will sit the EV revolution ( no laughing please) out until they come up with either a viable alternative to petrol and diesel , or decide to row back on banning them. Im guessing leasing EVs are the only viable option for those considering hugging trees ? I also try and avoid buying chinese goods where possible , but appreciate this is extremely difficult when many parts and overall goods are made there. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 10, 2024 20:25:47 GMT
I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? ive just read the battery makes up a third of the cost of an EV. What are we talking here .......maximum five to 7 years lifespan? Jesus Christ. the plot thickens. It's a no thank you from me and mine im afraid. You would need to be mental , or incredibly rich and mental , to waste valuable cash on this shite. I think I will sit the EV revolution ( no laughing please) out until they come up with either a viable alternative to petrol and diesel , or decide to row back on banning them. Im guessing leasing EVs are the only viable option for those considering hugging trees ? I also try and avoid buying chinese goods where possible , but appreciate this is extremely difficult when many parts and overall goods are made there. Yes there has been a lot of speculation passed off as current fact here . The future might bring cheap Chinese disposable EVs that are the equivalent of white goods or high quality EVs that last 100000 miles but it’s a long way away. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2024 22:25:37 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 22:34:11 GMT
The reason you computerise it is to make it more reliable. The hardware should last out as long as they are good chips. I think the faults have been on the software side. Software and chips are going through a bit of a revolution in China. They are developing the whole ecosystem and using RISC-V. This means everything used to build these systems will be their own software and even the software which designs the actual chips themselves. One failure mode for chips is thermal stress, but electric cars are a better environment compared to ICE engines. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2024 22:41:41 GMT
The reason you computerise it is to make it more reliable. The hardware should last out as long as they are good chips. I think the faults have been on the software side. Software and chips are going through a bit of a revolution in China. They are developing the whole ecosystem and using RISC-V. This means everything used to build these systems will be their own software and even the software which designs the actual chips themselves. One failure mode for chips is thermal stress, but electric cars are a better environment compared to ICE engines. All computer software is unreliable - anyone with a computer or mobile phone will tell you that. Updates routinely break operating systems and the computers in cars are no different. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 10, 2024 22:52:20 GMT
The reason you computerise it is to make it more reliable. The hardware should last out as long as they are good chips. I think the faults have been on the software side. Software and chips are going through a bit of a revolution in China. They are developing the whole ecosystem and using RISC-V. This means everything used to build these systems will be their own software and even the software which designs the actual chips themselves. One failure mode for chips is thermal stress, but electric cars are a better environment compared to ICE engines. All computer software is unreliable - anyone with a computer or mobile phone will tell you that. Updates routinely break operating systems and the computers in cars are no different. There are even bugs in the chips according to what I heard. There are many layers of software that can introduce bugs. We will have to see if the Chinese manage better than the Brits. They have Harmony OS out now. It's already 100 million lines! |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:20:10 GMT
Hahaha look in the mirror. Everytime an apparent issue is resolved you just move the goal posts. None of the serious issues have been resolved - nor is there much prospect they will be in the foreseeable future. You talk about 'range anxiety' as if the problem is solved simply by having a slightly longer range for BEVS. The thing is 'range anxiety' is just a driver centred description of the problem - ie h ow the driver experiences the problem. The real problem is 1) The relationship between range and recharge times AND 2) The relationship between recharge times and the capacity of the grid to provide power. AND 3) The relationship between recharge times and battery life AND 4) the relationship between battery life and cost This is an intractable problem with just 1 and 2, firstly because the first relationship is not going to change by the order of magnitude needed to provide a reasonable utility, and secondly, because adjusting the second relationship means substantially updating the electric grid - a project that is likely to take a century or more. Even IF you solve the 1st problem (which you can't) you just become subject to the second bottleneck (back to square one) Somebody highlighting these relationships and their interlocked nature is not 'moving the goal-posts', they are explaining to you why there is an intractable problem. The one good point you make is that for some drivers and use cases, BEVS are fine. (i don't think anyone doubts this much) Of course range anxiety is solved by increasing range, once you increase range beyond that you can reasonably manage in a day and that used in everyday life, then people stop worrying. When you return to your EV to make your 86 mile journey home and it says you have 295 miles left in the tank, you don't worry. 99% of people in the UK will never use the range of their EV in a day. Now to your moving goal posts. 2, The ability of the grid to provide power you say, but most charging is done at night now and the number of cars requiring charging stations shrinking as range increases. Yet the number of charging stations at a site is growing. Most now having a dozen. 3, If you read Barons posts you see the improvements and note increased charging does not reduce life anymore. 4, EV's are coming down in price every year and already fuel saving pays the difference in 2 years for an average driver. I wander how many of you would pay an extra 10k for a petrol car that cost half as much to run. But lets not look at it that way because... well then you'd look stupid. Solutions arrive faster than you can drag the goal posts away. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:30:51 GMT
How the hell can you run a car if you can't park it? You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ? Range is solving this to a great extent. With ranges of 500 miles becoming common. The pain of going to a charging station becomes a weekly thing in most cases, something you do while getting your weekly shop. On top of that there are now charging trucks which will charge your car in the street overnight. And yes they have thought of where you put the truck in a busy street. They come at 3 in the morning when the streets are empty. And on street charging points are growing to. And charging arms will be here soon as well. Those buggers keep coming up with solutions. How about getting some castors for those goal post. wepoweryourcar.com/about/chargearm/ |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:40:34 GMT
I didn't know that EVs were doing more than 500 miles on a single charge. That's great news. Which Make and model of car is that and how much does it cost? I take it that Zany ignored my question because there isn't one? Sorry John, was it addressed to me? You can see I'm much sort after on here. So apologies. qz.com/lucid-500-mile-range-ev-1851638742#:~:text=The%20Lucid%20Air%20Grand%20Touring%20with%2019%2Dinch%20aero%20wheels,limited%20by%20the%20car's%20computer. Here's one. Here's some others getting close pod-point.com/guides/top-10-electric-cars-with-the-longest-range-in-2024?Probably need to wait another year or so if you need 500 miles. Partly because there's not much demand for such a high range, excess of 300 mile is more then most people drive in a day. I guess there are some people who would have liked a petrol car that did a hundred MPG but not enough to drive manufacturing. gclsrc=aw.ds&&ppc_keyword=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA88a5BhDPARIsAFj595g1jNs1p8tWM1DWcpGjoVAkWpN4ym2dL9JKfgq9tb34WpZgr_wdxNMaAu3bEALw_wcB |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:41:36 GMT
I see specifications of 6000 cycles for standard solar batteries. There are hundreds of different formulations of battery. I'm not doing your homework since you will throw it back in my face no matter what. I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? How long does a car last? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 8:51:46 GMT
You can park it. The point is not necessarily outside of your flat. So how do you access non existent chargers , in a parking space that doesn't belong to you ? Those buggers keep coming up with solutions. How about getting some castors for those goal post. This is fun zany .The charge arm looks like another variation of the lamp post charging in the street. it's going to be fun watching the neighbours fight over who takes the turn charging their car in city centre streets . What practical solutions that are similar to or less incovenience to running petrol and diesel are they coming up with? every suggestion involves forking out more cash , and having more inconvenience ? Yet without massive government subsidies , EVs aren't selling ,and the one that is relatively popular , the hybrid , is due to be banned . It's you gullible liberals and your fantasies that keep moving the goal posts , yet no matter what you come up with the general public aren't convinced. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 11, 2024 8:55:45 GMT
I’ll ask again ..Which current models are available that have batteries that last longer than the car? How long does a car last? what a stupid fucking question ? how long is a bit of string? I would suggest a good quality car bought new or from nearly new should be going at least ten to fifteen years. some people lease cars every three to five years , which might be the way forward for you tree huggers and the disaster of batteries failing 5 to 7 years , where you can hope the lease company will foot the bill . This will doubtless be put onto the monthly lease cost though. There isnt one ev that im aware of , where the battery lasts longer than the car itself. As bently suggests. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:57:06 GMT
Those buggers keep coming up with solutions. How about getting some castors for those goal post. This is fun zany .The charge arm looks like another variation of the lamp post charging in the street. it's going to be fun watching the neighbours fight over who takes the turn charging their car in city centre streets . What practical solutions that are similar to or less incovenience to running petrol and diesel are they coming up with? every suggestion involves forking out more cash , and having more inconvenience ? Yet without massive government subsidies , EVs aren't selling ,and the one that is relatively popular , the hybrid , is due to be banned . It's you gullible liberals and your fantasies that keep moving the goal posts , yet no matter what you come up with the general public aren't convinced. No, the charging arm is bought by the property owner and fitted to their house. Its basically a stick you hang a charging cable on. Your denial of reality is the only thing that allows you to continue your religion. EV's aren't selling well because they are a long term big spend investment at a time when our economy is fucked. You probably already know that, but it slipped your mind and spoils your argument. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 11, 2024 8:58:52 GMT
Of course range anxiety is solved by increasing range, once you increase range beyond that you can reasonably manage in a day and that used in everyday life, then people stop worrying. When you return to your EV to make your 86 mile journey home and it says you have 295 miles left in the tank, you don't worry. 99% of people in the UK will never use the range of their EV in a day. This is not the case. Am empty EV at the end of a long journey is either a problem you plan for today or you have to deal with tomorrow. In an IC car this tension rarely manifests because making sure the car is fueled before entering an area where refueling may be a pain is so quick. If you do a comparison on the basis of range/refuel time, BEVS would have to expand their range by an order of magnitude (ie 300 miles to 3000 miles) to have the same relationship - that is, IF the recharge time remained constant. I find these conversations quite baffling. Everyone knows what it is like to drive a car - so this is the equivalent of trying to convince people that a unicycle is an absolutely adequate replacement for a bicycle |
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