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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 12:25:05 GMT
WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. The argument has turned completely around now thanks to China. EVs are a better buy now than ICE cars, and it is clear they will continue to be an even better buy. The same is true for solar. If you start from nothing, you are better off building a solar farm than a conventional power station as your leccy will be cheaper. Green tech has shifted from a cost to a saving. This changes everything as the clickbait says. When something is a better buy there is no need for government to interfere with the market to save the planet. The market will solve the problem the most efficiently all by itself. Indeed market interference would have the reverse effect and slow down progress to transitioning to their beloved green economy. There is one big problem though. What will all the useless people do who were involved in things like green propaganda, government inspectors and lawyers and all the other shits that never produce? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 13:30:04 GMT
How are EVs a better buy now than ICE cars?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 13:57:20 GMT
How are EVs a better buy now than ICE cars? They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 14:05:31 GMT
How are EVs a better buy now than ICE cars? They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. Why NOW? Are you saying that the new Chinese EVs have a longer range than ICE cars , are more reliable than a non turbo manual ICE car and retain a long range during winter even when using a heater and summer when using air conditioning? Because Iirc you never explained anything , just posted bullshit . Yes pribsbly better not to go through that again then l. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 14:12:26 GMT
They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. Why NOW? Are you saying that the new Chinese EVs have a longer range than ICE cars , are more reliable than a non turbo manual ICE car and retain a long range during winter even when using a heater and summer when using air conditioning? Because Iirc you never explained anything , just posted bullshit . Yes pribsbly better not to go through that again then l. Yes well you read the tabloids and list all these supposed problems. EVs are already a success and the industry is booming, but just not in the UK.
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Post by besoeker3 on Nov 9, 2024 14:18:37 GMT
How are EVs a better buy now than ICE cars? They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As electric vehicles are produced in greater numbers around the world, per-unit costs decline and the prospects for a large-scale transition to electric vehicles improve. Governments in China, Europe, and North America all work to accelerate electric vehicle deployment to help meet air quality, climate change, oil security, and industrial development goals. China, the largest vehicle market in the world and also the largest electric vehicle market, continues to adapt its longer-term goals on vehicle electrification and adopt policies to accelerate electric vehicle uptake. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 14:21:43 GMT
Why NOW? Are you saying that the new Chinese EVs have a longer range than ICE cars , are more reliable than a non turbo manual ICE car and retain a long range during winter even when using a heater and summer when using air conditioning? Because Iirc you never explained anything , just posted bullshit . Yes pribsbly better not to go through that again then l. Yes well you read the tabloids and list all these supposed problems. EVs are already a success and the industry is booming, but just not in the UK.
I don’t need to read the tabloids to list all the obvious problems whereas you need to dig up a YouTube video instead of actually posting your own ideas. You can’t support your own bullshit can you ? So where’s is this Chinese EV that has a longer range than ICE cars and is more reliable than a non turbo ,manual ICE car ? You can’t because it doesn’t exist ..all you have is bullshit and dodgy videos . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 14:26:58 GMT
They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As electric vehicles are produced in greater numbers around the world, per-unit costs decline and the prospects for a large-scale transition to electric vehicles improve. Governments in China, Europe, and North America all work to accelerate electric vehicle deployment to help meet air quality, climate change, oil security, and industrial development goals. China, the largest vehicle market in the world and also the largest electric vehicle market, continues to adapt its longer-term goals on vehicle electrification and adopt policies to accelerate electric vehicle uptake. That is just a proposal. There is not an EV that has the range of a ICE car . EV ranges vary on temperature and using heaters and air conditioning. Even if the super Chinese invent an EV with a longer range than an ICE car they would still take longer than an ICE car to refuel. But that wasn’t the claim iI was that they are around NOW. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 14:28:39 GMT
Yes well you read the tabloids and list all these supposed problems. EVs are already a success and the industry is booming, but just not in the UK.
I don’t need to read the tabloids to list all the obvious problems whereas you need to dig up a YouTube video instead of actually posting your own ideas. You can’t support your own bullshit can you ? So where’s is this Chinese EV that has a longer range than ICE cars and is more reliable than a non turbo ,manual ICE car ? You can’t because it doesn’t exist ..all you have is bullshit and dodgy videos . That car aint slow. At 391km/hr it is smooth. I bet you could not design a car that fast. I think they will manage to heat the interior OK. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 14:31:35 GMT
I don’t need to read the tabloids to list all the obvious problems whereas you need to dig up a YouTube video instead of actually posting your own ideas. You can’t support your own bullshit can you ? So where’s is this Chinese EV that has a longer range than ICE cars and is more reliable than a non turbo ,manual ICE car ? You can’t because it doesn’t exist ..all you have is bullshit and dodgy videos . That car aint slow. At 391km/hr it is smooth. I bet you could not design a car that fast. I think they will manage to heat the interior OK. So instead of admitting that your claim false , you change the goalposts to top speed . Now how about this .I repeat “Why NOW? Are you saying that the new Chinese EVs have a longer range than ICE cars , are more reliable than a non turbo manual ICE car and retain a long range during winter even when using a heater and summer when using air conditioning? You cant , can you ? Your false claim “EVs ARE a better buy now than ICE cars, and it is clear they will continue to be an even better buy.” |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 9, 2024 15:11:28 GMT
WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. Best give every family £2000 to compensate for the terrible damage being caused by the 419 ppm of CO2 in the air. Or not tax them in the first place. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 16:32:22 GMT
They are simpler and cheaper, and better performance. I have already explained all of this so if you can't remember then I can't be bothered to go through it all again. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As electric vehicles are produced in greater numbers around the world, per-unit costs decline and the prospects for a large-scale transition to electric vehicles improve. Governments in China, Europe, and North America all work to accelerate electric vehicle deployment to help meet air quality, climate change, oil security, and industrial development goals. China, the largest vehicle market in the world and also the largest electric vehicle market, continues to adapt its longer-term goals on vehicle electrification and adopt policies to accelerate electric vehicle uptake. It appears your quote knows a thing or two about it. That is what is going on. It's just the European car manufacturers have huge debts from investing in ICE production lines so they have that handicap against a firm that started out with electric production. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 9, 2024 16:50:14 GMT
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As electric vehicles are produced in greater numbers around the world, per-unit costs decline and the prospects for a large-scale transition to electric vehicles improve. Governments in China, Europe, and North America all work to accelerate electric vehicle deployment to help meet air quality, climate change, oil security, and industrial development goals. China, the largest vehicle market in the world and also the largest electric vehicle market, continues to adapt its longer-term goals on vehicle electrification and adopt policies to accelerate electric vehicle uptake. It appears your quote knows a thing or two about it. That is what is going on. It's just the European car manufacturers have huge debts from investing in ICE production lines so they have that handicap against a firm that started out with electric production. so why are so few people buying them? 4/5 EV sales are company fleet vehicles , which are being subsidised by governments via tax breaks from what im reading , and only yesterday the car maker Bentley has pushed back its plans to go fully electric as the uptake of battery powered cars continues to fall massively short of the industries hopes. Market forces are speaking louder than empty rhetoric . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 16:58:47 GMT
Taxes , lack of parts / fuel and outright banning ICE cars will be the only factor in EV sales rising above ICE cars …imo
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Post by thomas on Nov 9, 2024 17:18:42 GMT
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