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Post by Pacifico on Nov 8, 2024 18:10:28 GMT
Its hardly a headlong rush, we knew about AGW 40 years ago. 30 years ago scientists were warning something needed doing urgently. Here we are in 2024 talking about maybe doing something soonish. No one counts the cost of doing nothing. Farmers unable to plant crops because of water logged soil, tidal barriers being raised for hundreds of miles, record single day rainfalls causing 100 year events every other year and that's not Bangladesh, that's the UK. Hurricanes with unheard of wind speeds and wave heights hitting areas that never had anything like it before. Hurricane Helene cost America $53Bn on its own. How much renewable electricity would that pay for. And Two weeks later hurricane Milton cost another $50Bn . We have to stop thinking climate change is in the future, its costing money now. The Fens near where I live have lost first crops 3 years running and potato yields are halved. Its here now. We don't look like Venus yet but the effects and costs are here. I’d have more sympathy for this if this was a world wide headlong rush( it is a head long rush) . I live in Norfolk and fortunately we have had a reasonable crop of potatoes this year . We have some flooding this year but we found that clearing ditches did more than stop using diesel. Maybe the farmers in the Fens should try it .I believe one did and he got fined by the Environment Agency. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:14:05 GMT
The fens are below sea level so all water has to be pumped out, Traditionally the fens are used as flood plain in winter to protect the surrounding villages. Last 3 years the water has still been flooding right up to May. The pumps and sluices can't cope. Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss. I do agree with you on maintaining ditches and waterways, though you need to widen the rivers they flow into as we now get more flash flooding due to intense rainfall than our country is designed for. Much of our country is very old and its difficult to widen rivers or raise banks when they go through historic towns. In the end stopping AGW will IMO cost less than not stopping it, and that applies across the civilised world. “Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss.” I disagree . Imo this the subject that net zero zealots won’t discuss…discuss the fact that even if the UK achieves net zero we will still have to do all of that . Why? Because it will make hardly any difference. You might be right now Trump is elected. So be prepared to be even worse off as the government hands out the bills to pay for completely redesigning our infrastructure to deal with weather it was never made for. Add to this the cost of adapting your own home. There's a reason roofs in Spain are white. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:16:06 GMT
I’d have more sympathy for this if this was a world wide headlong rush( it is a head long rush) . I live in Norfolk and fortunately we have had a reasonable crop of potatoes this year . We have some flooding this year but we found that clearing ditches did more than stop using diesel. Maybe the farmers in the Fens should try it .I believe one did and he got fined by the Environment Agency. I read about one who wanted to did his own lake to contain the water but was threatened with action if he did. But then the planning office have never had to deal with reality for a very long time. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:26:24 GMT
“Sure we could mitigate, build more reservoirs widen sluices add pumps, raise defences, but that is part of the cost of NOT tackling climate change that people wont discuss.” I disagree . Imo this the subject that net zero zealots won’t discuss…discuss the fact that even if the UK achieves net zero we will still have to do all of that . Why? Because it will make hardly any difference. You might be right now Trump is elected. So be prepared to be even worse off as the government hands out the bills to pay for completely redesigning our infrastructure to deal with weather it was never made for. Add to this the cost of adapting your own home. There's a reason roofs in Spain are white. Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 8, 2024 18:39:59 GMT
'Clean energy shares have tumbled on fears US president-elect will scrap subsidies and tax breaks'
Which wouldn't happen if solar and wind really was cheaper...
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2024 7:20:07 GMT
Currently wind producing 4.4% of our energy....
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 8:35:29 GMT
You might be right now Trump is elected. So be prepared to be even worse off as the government hands out the bills to pay for completely redesigning our infrastructure to deal with weather it was never made for. Add to this the cost of adapting your own home. There's a reason roofs in Spain are white. Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 8:39:59 GMT
'Clean energy shares have tumbled on fears US president-elect will scrap subsidies and tax breaks'Which wouldn't happen if solar and wind really was cheaper... 1, It will be when its built, its the build costs. 2, Its also just cost America $100Bn for two of the most powerful hurricanes to hit the country in a two week period. Each a 100 year even, maybe it was a BOGOF offer. Its fascinating how the disciples on here refuse to even acknowledge the possibilty that doing nothing has a cost. Talk about blinkered. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 9, 2024 8:58:42 GMT
Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Since we have been placed in panic mode by alarmists world CO2 emissions have gone up 50% at least with no recognisable following of temperature, no worsening of storms, no climatic disasters and several 'the end of the world will happen' 5 years, ten years, the day after tomorrow' predictions falling flat on their face. The data now in use to make these predictions is so full of adjustments, correction factors, estimates and clear inventions that its use and accuracy as scientific values must lean to the bogus side instead of the factual. There are many things we could do just in case, accept Jesus, follow Islam, worship Vishnu, accept Druidism but we do not, most of us try to follow a bit of logic and once the logic is followed the questions surrounding man made climate change become manifold and its similarity to a cult becomes ever more pronounced. With cults it is very noticeable those who lead take on board the task of doing everything they say their followers should deny themselves, MMCC is no different the leaders emit CO2 like there is no tomorrow as they spread their message to their followers who do their duty and coerce, bully and demand sacrifice of others. Fewer and fewer people are remaining fooled and it is very telling how debate is stifled and non followers of the cult are denigrated |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 9:59:01 GMT
WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Since we have been placed in panic mode by alarmists world CO2 emissions have gone up 50% at least with no recognisable following of temperature, no worsening of storms, no climatic disasters and several 'the end of the world will happen' 5 years, ten years, the day after tomorrow' predictions falling flat on their face. The data now in use to make these predictions is so full of adjustments, correction factors, estimates and clear inventions that its use and accuracy as scientific values must lean to the bogus side instead of the factual. There are many things we could do just in case, accept Jesus, follow Islam, worship Vishnu, accept Druidism but we do not, most of us try to follow a bit of logic and once the logic is followed the questions surrounding man made climate change become manifold and its similarity to a cult becomes ever more pronounced. With cults it is very noticeable those who lead take on board the task of doing everything they say their followers should deny themselves, MMCC is no different the leaders emit CO2 like there is no tomorrow as they spread their message to their followers who do their duty and coerce, bully and demand sacrifice of others. Fewer and fewer people are remaining fooled and it is very telling how debate is stifled and non followers of the cult are denigrated Sorry but I'm no longer arguing with deniers, they have sadly been left behind. Even the public can believe their own eyes now. You are resign to tiny followers on tiny forums. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 9, 2024 10:23:44 GMT
Since we have been placed in panic mode by alarmists world CO2 emissions have gone up 50% at least with no recognisable following of temperature, no worsening of storms, no climatic disasters and several 'the end of the world will happen' 5 years, ten years, the day after tomorrow' predictions falling flat on their face. The data now in use to make these predictions is so full of adjustments, correction factors, estimates and clear inventions that its use and accuracy as scientific values must lean to the bogus side instead of the factual. There are many things we could do just in case, accept Jesus, follow Islam, worship Vishnu, accept Druidism but we do not, most of us try to follow a bit of logic and once the logic is followed the questions surrounding man made climate change become manifold and its similarity to a cult becomes ever more pronounced. With cults it is very noticeable those who lead take on board the task of doing everything they say their followers should deny themselves, MMCC is no different the leaders emit CO2 like there is no tomorrow as they spread their message to their followers who do their duty and coerce, bully and demand sacrifice of others. Fewer and fewer people are remaining fooled and it is very telling how debate is stifled and non followers of the cult are denigrated Sorry but I'm no longer arguing with deniers, they have sadly been left behind. Even the public can believe their own eyes now. You are resign to tiny followers on tiny forums. Which kind of illustrates my point very well. It is fascinating stuff and illustrative of how cults work in real time. If the facts get in the way, shoot the messenger. I have never argued that climate change is not happening, I have never argued that we should not do anything, I have long presented the results and the science upon which the cult is predicated and asked for opinion on why they do not show what 'the consensus' says it shows and in many cases is erroneous information and corrupted data. It seems the blind acceptance of corrupted data is another part of the cult belief system if it shows that the cultists are right. Anything else is hands over the ears and screaming 'I cannot hear you' are quite the right thing to do. The tragedy is government policy revolves around the same outlook. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 10:44:34 GMT
Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. The penny still seems to have failed to drop that we are going to pick up that bill anyway . Net zero zealots like you want to do both that and spend hundreds of billions of pounds to rapidly change our energy source as well . All to make 1% diffence ffs. Its idiotic . It’s cultish , it’s naive. Yes we should become net zero but slower . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
'Clean energy shares have tumbled on fears US president-elect will scrap subsidies and tax breaks'Which wouldn't happen if solar and wind really was cheaper... China tariffs.
The cost of solar is double if it is manufactured outside of China.
Did you hear that in California they paid the same price to buy your domestically produced solar energy as the firms sold it for? It was a state law which resulted in so much solar production that they ended up in a situation. I've heard the price can go negative. Weird!
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2024 11:29:12 GMT
Oh please ! Trumpdidit is the new Brexitdidit now. Trump or no Trump we will be paying it anyway …and the net zero zealots want us to pay billions to reduce the CO2 output by 1% as well. WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 12:04:50 GMT
WTF. If Trump cancels Americas move to renewables then Climate change continues to worsen and we pick up the bill for the damage in this country. That you are unable to recognise the cost of doing nothing speaks volumes about your bias. Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. This the reality that net zero zealots are impervious to. |
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