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Post by Pacifico on Nov 9, 2024 18:05:12 GMT
Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. The argument has turned completely around now thanks to China. EVs are a better buy now than ICE cars, and it is clear they will continue to be an even better buy. The same is true for solar. If you start from nothing, you are better off building a solar farm than a conventional power station as your leccy will be cheaper. Green tech has shifted from a cost to a saving. This changes everything as the clickbait says. When something is a better buy there is no need for government to interfere with the market to save the planet. The market will solve the problem the most efficiently all by itself. Indeed market interference would have the reverse effect and slow down progress to transitioning to their beloved green economy. There is one big problem though. What will all the useless people do who were involved in things like green propaganda, government inspectors and lawyers and all the other shits that never produce? I'll believe that when it no longer needs subsidising. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 18:22:24 GMT
It appears your quote knows a thing or two about it. That is what is going on. It's just the European car manufacturers have huge debts from investing in ICE production lines so they have that handicap against a firm that started out with electric production. so why are so few people buying them? 4/5 EV sales are company fleet vehicles , which are being subsidised by governments via tax breaks from what im reading , and only yesterday the car maker Bentley has pushed back its plans to go fully electric as the uptake of battery powered cars continues to fall massively short of the industries hopes. Market forces are speaking louder than empty rhetoric . Well they are buying them in China. Over here there are numerous reasons. There are loads of taxes and the firms themselves in China make more money per car in Europe, often over 10x the profit. In Europe, the car manufacturers have had quality issues. Jaguars were known for sticking on flat out as the engine management system had a bug. VW car computers went into a debug screen! You know how it is in this fucked up country. I don't even get the friggin' post to be delivered when it is promised, waiting in all day for something that never arrives. If they can't do simple stuff like that then cars are just way beyond them. In China operations are slick, no matter where you go. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 18:25:04 GMT
The argument has turned completely around now thanks to China. EVs are a better buy now than ICE cars, and it is clear they will continue to be an even better buy. The same is true for solar. If you start from nothing, you are better off building a solar farm than a conventional power station as your leccy will be cheaper. Green tech has shifted from a cost to a saving. This changes everything as the clickbait says. When something is a better buy there is no need for government to interfere with the market to save the planet. The market will solve the problem the most efficiently all by itself. Indeed market interference would have the reverse effect and slow down progress to transitioning to their beloved green economy. There is one big problem though. What will all the useless people do who were involved in things like green propaganda, government inspectors and lawyers and all the other shits that never produce? I'll believe that when it no longer needs subsidising. Subsidies really screw the operation of the market up. A firm reared on subsidy is like a wild animal brought up in captivity. Let it out into the wild and it will die. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 18:27:48 GMT
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY As electric vehicles are produced in greater numbers around the world, per-unit costs decline and the prospects for a large-scale transition to electric vehicles improve. Governments in China, Europe, and North America all work to accelerate electric vehicle deployment to help meet air quality, climate change, oil security, and industrial development goals. China, the largest vehicle market in the world and also the largest electric vehicle market, continues to adapt its longer-term goals on vehicle electrification and adopt policies to accelerate electric vehicle uptake. That is just a proposal. There is not an EV that has the range of a ICE car . EV ranges vary on temperature and using heaters and air conditioning. Even if the super Chinese invent an EV with a longer range than an ICE car they would still take longer than an ICE car to refuel. But that wasn’t the claim iI was that they are around NOW. 1000km range is the furthest a standard production car will go. This is with CATL batteries. See the website for proof if your brain can read that far. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 18:30:33 GMT
That is just a proposal. There is not an EV that has the range of a ICE car . EV ranges vary on temperature and using heaters and air conditioning. Even if the super Chinese invent an EV with a longer range than an ICE car they would still take longer than an ICE car to refuel. But that wasn’t the claim iI was that they are around NOW. 1000km range is the furthest a standard production car will go. This is with CATL batteries. See the website for proof if your brain can read that far. How many 1000km range EVs are on the UK market TODAY that are around the price of a non turbo manual ICE vehicle. Maybe one thatcan be refuelled as fast as a petrol car. Use YouTube if your brain can’t manage any other method |
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Post by thomas on Nov 9, 2024 18:45:40 GMT
I'll believe that when it no longer needs subsidising. Let it out into the wild and it will die. I think thats the point pacifico is making to you.... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 18:46:37 GMT
1000km range is the furthest a standard production car will go. This is with CATL batteries. See the website for proof if your brain can read that far. How many 1000km range EVs are on the UK market TODAY that are around the price of a non turbo manual ICE vehicle. Maybe one thatcan be refuelled as fast as a petrol car. Use YouTube if your brain can’t manage any other method Why can't you do your own research. It will explain on the site how fast charge times are. I've seen examples of 1km range per second of charge time. Not sure if they are the same batteries. There are many variants. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 9, 2024 18:49:17 GMT
Let it out into the wild and it will die. I think thats the point pacifico is making to you.... The thing is I like the tech, but think the way the UK is implementing it is stupid. ULEZ was a prime example of how to get the public's back up on the whole idea. In China EVs are cool. Over here they think they are bombs. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 18:49:46 GMT
How many 1000km range EVs are on the UK market TODAY that are around the price of a non turbo manual ICE vehicle. Maybe one thatcan be refuelled as fast as a petrol car. Use YouTube if your brain can’t manage any other method Why can't you do your own research. It will explain on the site how fast charge times are. I've seen examples of 1km range per second of charge time. Not sure if they are the same batteries. There are many variants. They are like unicorns ..they don’t exist …except maybe between your ears . Your claim that “EVs ARE a better buy now than ICE cars,” was bullshit and you know it . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 18:53:34 GMT
Sorry but I'm no longer arguing with deniers, they have sadly been left behind. Even the public can believe their own eyes now. You are resign to tiny followers on tiny forums. Which kind of illustrates my point very well. It is fascinating stuff and illustrative of how cults work in real time. If the facts get in the way, shoot the messenger. I have never argued that climate change is not happening, I have never argued that we should not do anything, I have long presented the results and the science upon which the cult is predicated and asked for opinion on why they do not show what 'the consensus' says it shows and in many cases is erroneous information and corrupted data. It seems the blind acceptance of corrupted data is another part of the cult belief system if it shows that the cultists are right. Anything else is hands over the ears and screaming 'I cannot hear you' are quite the right thing to do. The tragedy is government policy revolves around the same outlook. Yes I'm a cult member. I am member 6,675,908,564 of the IPCC NOAA NASA club. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 18:55:09 GMT
Is this you admitting that it doesn't matter what the UK does - our whole (very expensive) dash to net zero might be pointless. We could spend the extra £40 Billion a year that Miliband wants and it will still not make any difference at all. The argument has turned completely around now thanks to China. EVs are a better buy now than ICE cars, and it is clear they will continue to be an even better buy. The same is true for solar. If you start from nothing, you are better off building a solar farm than a conventional power station as your leccy will be cheaper. Green tech has shifted from a cost to a saving. This changes everything as the clickbait says. When something is a better buy there is no need for government to interfere with the market to save the planet. The market will solve the problem the most efficiently all by itself. Indeed market interference would have the reverse effect and slow down progress to transitioning to their beloved green economy. There is one big problem though. What will all the useless people do who were involved in things like green propaganda, government inspectors and lawyers and all the other shits that never produce? Yep the market just needed help to get moving the right direction. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 18:58:02 GMT
1000km range is the furthest a standard production car will go. This is with CATL batteries. See the website for proof if your brain can read that far. How many 1000km range EVs are on the UK market TODAY that are around the price of a non turbo manual ICE vehicle. Maybe one thatcan be refuelled as fast as a petrol car. Use YouTube if your brain can’t manage any other method If range is your only measure. Do you buy all your cars according to the size of the fuel tank? People used to boast about acceleration. Oops. People used to look at MPG. Ooops. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 19:08:57 GMT
How many 1000km range EVs are on the UK market TODAY that are around the price of a non turbo manual ICE vehicle. Maybe one thatcan be refuelled as fast as a petrol car. Use YouTube if your brain can’t manage any other method If range is your only measure. Do you buy all your cars according to the size of the fuel tank? People used to boast about acceleration. Oops. People used to look at MPG. Ooops. No need if the tank can be filled in a couple of minutes . ICE cars usually have good acceleration and for what I’ve seen an EV with a similar price to an ICE vehicle hasn’t got great acceleration. But please post some shit about how fast top of the range Tesla’s are . Evs do not run on petrol . No wonder you bought a hybrid. Nissan leaf £32000 . Up to ( ffs) 168 miles . 0-60 7.4. Seconds Ford Puma St £32000 0-60 6.7 seconds . Range..indefinite . The Puma is a much better car than the shitty old leaf ..and that’s including acceration. |
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 9, 2024 19:29:52 GMT
All is calm in Europe.
Germany has so many wind turbines, enough to produce 70GW - when they are all being blown by the wind. They are currently producing 0.2GW (0.28% of capacity).
As we rely on the European grid to top up our supply, we are having to run our gas power stations to produce 54% of our needs. That's nearly all foreign gas, of course, because this idiotic government won't allow us to drill for our own.
Nut zero will cost lives.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 19:36:41 GMT
All is calm in Europe. Germany has so many wind turbines, enough to produce 70GW - when they are all being blown by the wind. They are currently producing 0.2GW (0.28% of capacity). As we rely on the European grid to top up our supply, we are having to run our gas power stations to produce 54% of our needs. That's nearly all foreign gas, of course, because this idiotic government won't allow us to drill for our own. Nut zero will cost lives. Don’t worry chaps . The solar and wind farms will take up the slack .🙄 |
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