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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 10:22:11 GMT
prove it. ? or is this another vague diversionary comment designed for you to save face? This isnt about point scoring on some obscure political forum zany. You are fully on board with evs , and keen to see their benefits to the world. So surely you should be providing all the positive information we undecideds need to alleviate our fears , instead of throwing off vague comments ? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 10:22:49 GMT
yes yes dan , we discussed yesterday how we all agree (most of us anyway) Full EVs are perfectly fine for certain folk in a niche market. so whats your point? Edit to add*** this is a debating forum dan , not a jerk circle , and we are all here to talk about various subjects. Dont tell me what I can and cant talk about , there's a good chap. There's a difference between debating, talking and being gratuitously insulting and belligerent. I assume you're grown-up enough to know that already.
Know whum sayin'?
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 10:23:46 GMT
Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. Exactly and not all blocks of flats have parking places or very limited parking places where they can as and when Charging Bays are put in place larger the block the more charges you will need as and when they are eventually put in place, its OK if you live in a house with its own driveway to buy your own charging system. Terraced streets with no drives may have access eventually to charging points from street lights first come first served, you cannot run a charging cable from your house across the Public pavement it poses a trip hazard to pedestrians , people in wheelchairs , partially sighted or blind , on top of that it is an Offence to put anything on the Public Highway. There are over 30 million vehicles in the UK if 50% were electric you would need thousands of charging stations WTF are they going to site them ? go on a long journey in and pull in for a pit stop at the service stations, you see queues of electric cars waiting to be charged as drivers fear they may not get to their destination , the AA are called out on a regular basis to help drivers whose batteries have gone flat. I will never buy an electric car , main reason too expensive to buy, too heavy, and if the battery explodes they burn so fiercely you may not have time to get out, if the Fire Brigade are called to a vehicle and they know its an electric vehicle they send two tenders not one as they are difficult to put the fire out. if they become as convenient as petrol or diesel , and as cheap or cheaper , I might consider them. As things stand though , its a definite no no , and of course zany is doing a piss poor salesman job. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 10:26:12 GMT
yes yes dan , we discussed yesterday how we all agree (most of us anyway) Full EVs are perfectly fine for certain folk in a niche market. so whats your point? Edit to add*** this is a debating forum dan , not a jerk circle , and we are all here to talk about various subjects. Dont tell me what I can and cant talk about , there's a good chap. There's a difference between debating, talking and being gratuitously insulting and belligerent. I assume you're grown-up enough to know that already.
Know whum sayin'?
What does whum mean? I suppose you aren't really interested Danny because we aren't siting talking about black and brown people . Sometimes the subject does have to stray from your favourite topic. If you dont like the thread , I dont see anyone forcing you to participate. jog on now , there's a good chap. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2024 10:27:12 GMT
Most are living in the market towns I guess . The market towns where a great deal of building is going to take place. You need to talk to government officials that want to build more houses in small villages around the country. My point still stands . So the 10 million are not there because they have to be for employment purposes, but because they want to be? That being the case, presumably then anyone in gainful employment - other than in the local service sector or construction - will need to commute elsewhere. Currently by car, I'd imagine. Unless you are saying that market towns will be cleared and the residents forced to live in cities then there will be people living in the countryside l Unless you are saying that robots will roam the countryside then people will need transport to work in the small farms and buildings dotted around the roads and lanes . There are plans to build houses around most of the villages in East Anglia afaik . The government seems to want MORE people living in rural areas not less. Your speculation might happen but there again a time machine might be invented. Both are unlikely soon. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:27:49 GMT
Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. Exactly and not all blocks of flats have parking places or very limited parking places where they can as and when Charging Bays are put in place larger the block the more charges you will need as and when they are eventually put in place, its OK if you live in a house with its own driveway to buy your own charging system. Terraced streets with no drives may have access eventually to charging points from street lights first come first served, you cannot run a charging cable from your house across the Public pavement it poses a trip hazard to pedestrians , people in wheelchairs , partially sighted or blind , on top of that it is an Offence to put anything on the Public Highway. There are over 30 million vehicles in the UK if 50% were electric you would need thousands of charging stations WTF are they going to site them ? go on a long journey in and pull in for a pit stop at the service stations, you see queues of electric cars waiting to be charged as drivers fear they may not get to their destination , the AA are called out on a regular basis to help drivers whose batteries have gone flat. I will never buy an electric car , main reason too expensive to buy, too heavy, and if the battery explodes they burn so fiercely you may not have time to get out, if the Fire Brigade are called to a vehicle and they know its an electric vehicle they send two tenders not one as they are difficult to put the fire out.
Each fire engine carries a Fire Service High Voltage EV Safety Kit at around a grand a pop and when it has been used the lot goes in the bin...But of course the usual nut jobs who praise and bow to EV's never ever mention that fact... I think Prosol UK are the suppliers of the safety kits..
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 10:30:29 GMT
Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. Exactly and not all blocks of flats have parking places or very limited parking places where they can as and when Charging Bays are put in place larger the block the more charges you will need as and when they are eventually put in place, its OK if you live in a house with its own driveway to buy your own charging system. Terraced streets with no drives may have access eventually to charging points from street lights first come first served, you cannot run a charging cable from your house across the Public pavement it poses a trip hazard to pedestrians , people in wheelchairs , partially sighted or blind , on top of that it is an Offence to put anything on the Public Highway. There are over 30 million vehicles in the UK if 50% were electric you would need thousands of charging stations WTF are they going to site them ? go on a long journey in and pull in for a pit stop at the service stations, you see queues of electric cars waiting to be charged as drivers fear they may not get to their destination , the AA are called out on a regular basis to help drivers whose batteries have gone flat. I will never buy an electric car , main reason too expensive to buy, too heavy, and if the battery explodes they burn so fiercely you may not have time to get out, if the Fire Brigade are called to a vehicle and they know its an electric vehicle they send two tenders not one as they are difficult to put the fire out. I know you've come late to the conversation Handyman. So a resume. No one claimed a block of flats would have charging points. I said in that situation the owner would have to drive to a charging station. Jonsky claimed they would have to drive 20 just to charge the car. I pointed out no block of flats is 20 miles from a charger as they are all in towns. On your other points, boom chargers are now being allowed on streets across the EU, I fully expect the UK to follow suit.  Your other points have been discussed to death. ICE cars catch fire more often per vehicle than battery ones and petrol burns fiercely. Charging stations are measured in their thousands already and longer range means most people will charge at home hardly ever use them. Other than that its your choice for the moment. Hopefully by the time you are forced to buy one they will have been around long enough for you to have confidence in them. How do you feel about the positives? Running costs in particular. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 10:31:20 GMT
Too much information zany. We don't give a fuck what you do in your private life apart from flitting here and there on aeroplanes in your usual hypocrtical self indulgent way.. I have to go where the parties are held. Needs must |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 10:31:46 GMT
prove it. ? or is this another vague diversionary comment designed for you to save face? This isnt about point scoring on some obscure political forum zany. You are fully on board with evs , and keen to see their benefits to the world. So surely you should be providing all the positive information we undecideds need to alleviate our fears , instead of throwing off vague comments ? Zap map is your friend. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 10:35:50 GMT
So the 10 million are not there because they have to be for employment purposes, but because they want to be? That being the case, presumably then anyone in gainful employment - other than in the local service sector or construction - will need to commute elsewhere. Currently by car, I'd imagine. Unless you are saying that market towns will be cleared and the residents forced to live in cities then there will be people living in the countryside l Unless you are saying that robots will roam the countryside then people will need transport to work in the small farms and buildings dotted around the roads and lanes . There are plans to build houses around most of the villages in East Anglia afaik . The government seems to want MORE people living in rural areas not less. Your speculation might happen but there again a time machine might be invented. Both are unlikely soon. Surely you're not expecting me to launch into a defence of the housing policies of successive British governments?
As for 'clearings' and 'forcings' you've obviously been paying very little attention to what I have actually written in this thread rather than what you appear to want to believe I wrote.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:35:50 GMT
Too much information zany. We don't give a fuck what you do in your private life apart from flitting here and there on aeroplanes in your usual hypocrtical self indulgent way.. Needs must The fucking trouble is you come back... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 10:37:34 GMT
prove it. ? or is this another vague diversionary comment designed for you to save face? This isnt about point scoring on some obscure political forum zany. You are fully on board with evs , and keen to see their benefits to the world. So surely you should be providing all the positive information we undecideds need to alleviate our fears , instead of throwing off vague comments ? Zap map is your friend. Perhaps you need to explain what it is for the terminally uncurious.
Maybe a couple of pictures too.
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 10:37:49 GMT
prove it. ? or is this another vague diversionary comment designed for you to save face? This isnt about point scoring on some obscure political forum zany. You are fully on board with evs , and keen to see their benefits to the world. So surely you should be providing all the positive information we undecideds need to alleviate our fears , instead of throwing off vague comments ? Zap map is your friend. yep, various online maps including google maps all show charging points , but im not seeing 50 charging points despite your claim. If you are travelling into Glasgow city centre from a Dumbarton flat 21 miles away , I can see 4 charging stations roughly along the way , one on the road you take , three out the way. Not 50. you exaggerate , you offer vague solutions making claims that aren't correct , and throw off one liners as though it provides all the answers to the questions being asked. Like I said zany , not only do you not know what you are talking about , but you are doing a piss poor job of selling full EV to the public. Inconvenience and cost. The two main barriers you cant breach. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 10:39:10 GMT
Perhaps you need to explain what it is for the terminally uncurious.
Maybe a couple of pictures too.
perhaps you could do it to help zany , who is obviously struggling ..........using simple words Danny. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 10:41:32 GMT
Exactly and not all blocks of flats have parking places or very limited parking places where they can as and when Charging Bays are put in place larger the block the more charges you will need as and when they are eventually put in place, its OK if you live in a house with its own driveway to buy your own charging system. Terraced streets with no drives may have access eventually to charging points from street lights first come first served, you cannot run a charging cable from your house across the Public pavement it poses a trip hazard to pedestrians , people in wheelchairs , partially sighted or blind , on top of that it is an Offence to put anything on the Public Highway. There are over 30 million vehicles in the UK if 50% were electric you would need thousands of charging stations WTF are they going to site them ? go on a long journey in and pull in for a pit stop at the service stations, you see queues of electric cars waiting to be charged as drivers fear they may not get to their destination , the AA are called out on a regular basis to help drivers whose batteries have gone flat. I will never buy an electric car , main reason too expensive to buy, too heavy, and if the battery explodes they burn so fiercely you may not have time to get out, if the Fire Brigade are called to a vehicle and they know its an electric vehicle they send two tenders not one as they are difficult to put the fire out. I know you've come late to the conversation Handyman. So a resume. No one claimed a block of flats would have charging points. I said in that situation the owner would have to drive to a charging station. Jonsky claimed they would have to drive 20 just to charge the car. I pointed out no block of flats is 20 miles from a charger as they are all in towns. On your other points, boom chargers are now being allowed on streets across the EU, I fully expect the UK to follow suit. We haven't got the room for them in the UK and it is still illegall to have cables strewn across a public sidewalk in the UK if someone goes arse over tit on one...
Although it's not illegal to run an EV cable across a pavement, if it causes injuries to a pedestrian then the owner can be found liable and may be prosecuted. Running a cable over a path poses a potential hazard for pedestrians who may trip over the wires and injure themselves, which could lead to legal action.
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