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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:01:09 GMT
I certainly didn't invite them in. But that aside I'm looking for something a bit deeper than lets find a bad immigrant and use the word 'them' to imply they are representative. Hence I ignore Buccaneer. Of course you do. That's all you do is ignore the fucking truth... I ignore stupid fucking posters who think they won an argument because the person they argued with gave up and left. And then thought it was funny that they had driven them away. I deplore the mods that allow it to happen and even join in. Anyway, I'll leave you to your shallow victories and address the posters with content. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:03:41 GMT
So, waded through all the childish crud and back to your point. In direct answer to the question 'Would I insist immigration is stopped before solving the existing housing crises' No I would not. I see no reason to hold our young people to ransom and make the rich richer in order to stop immigration. Nor do I see that working. Why would the rich land owners of this country want demand to fall? Then you have the old who like the fact their home is worth 10 times what they paid for it. They're not keen on reducing the price of land either. No, stopping immigration has to be dealt with by public protest or vote, it cannot be dealt with by hurting the poor. Then you have all the lies and misinformation, the idea that migrants are a drain on our economy needs to be dismissed because when we stop them coming we will see that they do. We will see that our GDP only grows because we keep increasing the population and as soon as we stop it we will see the costs of looking after our aging population continue to rise but the tax to pay for that shrink. We will see the costs of nurses carers etc rise but the tax pot shrink. Now I still support cutting immigration despite knowing this, but the people need to be told of the consequences rather than just told all will be better. What consequences FFS? The ones in the post you have just answered without having read. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 11, 2024 8:03:41 GMT
If you had any real answers Zany you wouldn't need to run away when confronted. Instead of waving around a lot of nonsense disguised as a sword of truth. Its cult behaviour.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 8:04:09 GMT
Of course you do. That's all you do is ignore the fucking truth... I ignore stupid fucking posters who think they won an argument because the person they argued with gave up and left. And then thought it was funny that they had driven them away. I deplore the mods that allow it to happen and even join in. Anyway, I'll leave you to your shallow victories and address the posters with content. You ignore the truth it's your normal MO. You can't even fool yourself FFS. And why is this YET again the forum you want to troll have you been shot down on the other one by your own like minded? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 8:09:31 GMT
The ones in the post you have just answered without having read. BOLLOCKS in 2023 we had nigh on 60.000 freeloaders in our hotels at a cost of £8million per day we do not know how many we have or what it costs at the present time because starmer and his crew are not releasing the figures. So prey tell how does that fact help our economy let alone the fact the unwanted freeloading wankers are a drain on the NHS and other resources? |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 11, 2024 8:13:04 GMT
Of course you do. That's all you do is ignore the fucking truth... I ignore stupid fucking posters who think they won an argument because the person they argued with gave up and left. And then thought it was funny that they had driven them away. I deplore the mods that allow it to happen and even join in. Anyway, I'll leave you to your shallow victories and address the posters with content. ![]() This is for you and Monte. ![]()  We thought the pair of you sulked off to a new nirvana. Seems you both got bored with yourselves and are back here playing the victim again. ![]() |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 11, 2024 8:14:35 GMT
If you cannot get planning permission how does the price of land matter?. As it is the land price makes up around 33% of the total cost of building a house - but then you still need trained workers (in short supply) and supplies (again in short supply). Because the ones that do get planning are the ones that matter and the price of those is higher because of limited supply. If you can't get it by now then best I leave you to your dreams OK - I'll try one last time. We currently have a planning regulation that limits how much land is available for building. We also have a building industry that can build at most 200,000 houses a year (due to shortages in workforce and supplies). We also have a situation where not all land that does have planning permission is built on (due to the previously aforementioned shortages). So in your view releasing more land and thus bringing the price of that land down is going to get more houses built.. something does not compute. Increasing building over 200,000 units a year is not dependent on the price of land. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 8:45:18 GMT
Because the ones that do get planning are the ones that matter and the price of those is higher because of limited supply. If you can't get it by now then best I leave you to your dreams OK - I'll try one last time. We currently have a planning regulation that limits how much land is available for building. We also have a building industry that can build at most 200,000 houses a year (due to shortages in workforce and supplies). We also have a situation where not all land that does have planning permission is built on (due to the previously aforementioned shortages). So in your view releasing more land and thus bringing the price of that land down is going to get more houses built.. something does not compute. Increasing building over 200,000 units a year is not dependent on the price of land. And that number is fixed is it. 200,000 is it, can't be increased. I didn't know that. Who'd have thought it. Can you let the government know about this fixed number, only they are planning to build 300,000 a year by freeing up grey land. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 11, 2024 8:53:38 GMT
Because the ones that do get planning are the ones that matter and the price of those is higher because of limited supply. If you can't get it by now then best I leave you to your dreams OK - I'll try one last time. We currently have a planning regulation that limits how much land is available for building. We also have a building industry that can build at most 200,000 houses a year (due to shortages in workforce and supplies). We also have a situation where not all land that does have planning permission is built on (due to the previously aforementioned shortages). So in your view releasing more land and thus bringing the price of that land down is going to get more houses built.. something does not compute. Increasing building over 200,000 units a year is not dependent on the price of land. It's all another red herring where will all the healthcare come from where will all the roads come from and where will all the needed commodities come from.Or in other words you cannot build any houses unless you back it up with infrastructure. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 11, 2024 9:07:12 GMT
OK - I'll try one last time. We currently have a planning regulation that limits how much land is available for building. We also have a building industry that can build at most 200,000 houses a year (due to shortages in workforce and supplies). We also have a situation where not all land that does have planning permission is built on (due to the previously aforementioned shortages). So in your view releasing more land and thus bringing the price of that land down is going to get more houses built.. something does not compute. Increasing building over 200,000 units a year is not dependent on the price of land. And that number is fixed is it. 200,000 is it, can't be increased. I didn't know that. Who'd have thought it. Can you let the government know about this fixed number, only they are planning to build 300,000 a year by freeing up grey land. If it takes 10,000 plumbers to aid the building of 200,000 houses then to build 300,000 you need 15,000 plumbers. Currently, as usual, there is a shortage of trained plumbers so where do they come from. Then you have to consider even if they are trained are they competent. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:19:59 GMT
And that number is fixed is it. 200,000 is it, can't be increased. I didn't know that. Who'd have thought it. Can you let the government know about this fixed number, only they are planning to build 300,000 a year by freeing up grey land. If it takes 10,000 plumbers to aid the building of 200,000 houses then to build 300,000 you need 15,000 plumbers. Currently, as usual, there is a shortage of trained plumbers so where do they come from. Then you have to consider even if they are trained are they competent. Yes that's the problem Sandy. Come on, what's the solution? We have a glut of problem offerers on here. We need more solution offerers, I'm drowning in trying to help. Surely this problem is simple enough for you to think of the solution? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 9:22:23 GMT
If it takes 10,000 plumbers to aid the building of 200,000 houses then to build 300,000 you need 15,000 plumbers. Currently, as usual, there is a shortage of trained plumbers so where do they come from. Then you have to consider even if they are trained are they competent. Yes that's the problem Sandy. Come on, what's the solution? We have a glut of problem offerers on here. We need more solution offerers, I'm drowning in trying to help. Surely this problem is simple enough for you to think of the solution? The solution is fucking easy zany keep the fucking freeloaders out and get shot of the ones that are already here. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:22:59 GMT
OK - I'll try one last time. We currently have a planning regulation that limits how much land is available for building. We also have a building industry that can build at most 200,000 houses a year (due to shortages in workforce and supplies). We also have a situation where not all land that does have planning permission is built on (due to the previously aforementioned shortages). So in your view releasing more land and thus bringing the price of that land down is going to get more houses built.. something does not compute. Increasing building over 200,000 units a year is not dependent on the price of land. It's all another red herring where will all the healthcare come from where will all the roads come from and where will all the needed commodities come from.Or in other words you cannot build any houses unless you back it up with infrastructure. We already have the people here. Those problems already exist whether we build enough homes or not. Maybe you are all busting to say the solution is to throw the immigrants we invited to work here back out of the country. If so come on be brave and say it. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 11, 2024 9:24:12 GMT
Yes that's the problem Sandy. Come on, what's the solution? We have a glut of problem offerers on here. We need more solution offerers, I'm drowning in trying to help. Surely this problem is simple enough for you to think of the solution? The solution is fucking easy zany keep the fucking freeloaders out and get shot of the ones that are already here. That quantity of free loaders only exist in your empty head, though I suspect there's plenty of living space available there. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 11, 2024 9:32:52 GMT
The solution is fucking easy zany keep the fucking freeloaders out and get shot of the ones that are already here. That quantity of free loaders only exist in your empty head, though I suspect there's plenty of living space available there. BOLLOCKS...So why are we the tax payers expected to pay over 8 million quid a day to house the wankers in hotels? |
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