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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:19:11 GMT
That’s what happens in the real world not planet Zany. Pockets of land in country villages usually have bungalows built on them that go for a premium. Families will go for cheaper properties outside of towns . For reasons that are bleeding obvious . ...' planet Zany' lol. The village where I grew up wasn't particularly affluent, although it was very rural. No bungalows all houses most of which were pre war, pre WW1 in many cases. That was in the 1960s -70's, today things have changed. The 'village' is now probably three times larger than it was when I was a kid, it's not really a village anymore, but calling it a village keeps property prices up. Most of the new properties built over the past 30 years have been built on farmland. Three farms used to surround the village but the farms and farmland have long gone, replaced with mostly large 5 bed detached executive properties that the locals could never afford, and from what I gather there is no interaction between old village, and new village. Not disputing that Red. Its what I saw to back in the 1990's Every estate was built in the village envelope because you weren't allowed to build on the 'greenbelt' Ruined a lot of pretty villages that used to be surrounded by woods and grass fields. I was born and raised in Hardwick Cambs. Had a population of 300, take a look at it now on google. Anyway, the village envelopes are all filled up now and for the last 20 years what I have described was the next phase. Now we are starting to see huge new housing estates built on farm land, but were so far behind the number needed because building land was restricted for all those years after the village envelopes got filled. Other than arguing with Zany, because he's Zany. Do any of you accept we need more houses for young people or is it really your opinion that they would all go to illegal migrants? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
All that where when stuff aside. The argument remains that we could build on the green belt because not all of it is green. And we desperately need houses. As an aside, how many of you would be upset to see the property you bought for 18k and is now worth 300k reduced back down to 180k as supply starts to equal demand. Who are you threatening now Zany? WTF its a question. If its a threat then it applies to me as well. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:21:32 GMT
Had you looked at my post in context it was not nonsensical. I was pointing out to Pacifico that house prices in the UK are higher because of limited supply of land. After he had claimed they were higher because of Labour and Material costs. If that were the case then houses in France would be a similar price to ours. Of course they are cheaper in France BECAUSE there is more building land available. Thus the price of building houses in England would fall if we released more land for building them on. FFS - I said 6 days ago that one of the constraints was the planning system. You need to read what people write and not what you think/hope they write.. perhaps come down off planet Zany... You said houses were more expensive because of building costs when I said it was the price of land. You need to read what you said, not me. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2024 8:21:48 GMT
Who are you threatening now Zany? WTF its a question. If its a threat then it applies to me as well. So it does Einstein, did that ever cross your mind? you are ethnic cleansing yourself as well. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2024 8:23:52 GMT
Committing suicide to rid yourself of the Jonskies always seems a bit extreme.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 10, 2024 8:27:00 GMT
FFS - I said 6 days ago that one of the constraints was the planning system. You need to read what people write and not what you think/hope they write.. perhaps come down off planet Zany... You said houses were more expensive because of building costs when I said it was the price of land. You need to read what you said, not me. I'll repeat what I said - and then wait for an apology. "The restrictions on building are planning regulation, shortage of skilled trades and a shortage of materials. The price of land is an irrelevance." |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:35:11 GMT
WTF its a question. If its a threat then it applies to me as well. So it does Einstein, did that ever cross your mind? you are ethnic cleansing yourself as well. Ethic cleansing, that's just weird. I'll leave you with your demons. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2024 8:36:49 GMT
So it does Einstein, did that ever cross your mind? you are ethnic cleansing yourself as well. Ethic cleansing, that's just weird. I'll leave you with your demons. I had a feeling you might. I mean asking you to see it logically might be extreme in itself. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:41:03 GMT
You said houses were more expensive because of building costs when I said it was the price of land. You need to read what you said, not me. I'll repeat what I said - and then wait for an apology. "The restrictions on building are planning regulation, shortage of skilled trades and a shortage of materials. The price of land is an irrelevance." Apologise? You stated the price of land is irrelevant. You stated shortage of skilled trades and a shortage of materials. The price of land is an irrelevance." Planning regulation effects the price of land and is not irrelevant. Building LAND in France is cheaper than building LAND in the UK because there is more available. Trade and material costs are irrelevant to that fact. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 10, 2024 8:42:22 GMT
Ethic cleansing, that's just weird. I'll leave you with your demons. I had a feeling you might. I mean asking you to see it logically might be extreme in itself. I don't believe there is any logic to be found in your post. My house price falling is ethnic cleansing. Err nope. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2024 8:44:40 GMT
I had a feeling you might. I mean asking you to see it logically might be extreme in itself. I don't believe there is any logic to be found in your post. My house price falling is ethnic cleansing. Err nope. So you admit then, it wasn't just a threat against every homeowner but a threat also against yourself, how logical is that? Couldn't you just beat yourself with a whip once a week? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 10, 2024 9:02:41 GMT
...' planet Zany' lol. The village where I grew up wasn't particularly affluent, although it was very rural. No bungalows all houses most of which were pre war, pre WW1 in many cases. That was in the 1960s -70's, today things have changed. The 'village' is now probably three times larger than it was when I was a kid, it's not really a village anymore, but calling it a village keeps property prices up. Most of the new properties built over the past 30 years have been built on farmland. Three farms used to surround the village but the farms and farmland have long gone, replaced with mostly large 5 bed detached executive properties that the locals could never afford, and from what I gather there is no interaction between old village, and new village. Not disputing that Red. Its what I saw to back in the 1990's Every estate was built in the village envelope because you weren't allowed to build on the 'greenbelt' Ruined a lot of pretty villages that used to be surrounded by woods and grass fields. I was born and raised in Hardwick Cambs. Had a population of 300, take a look at it now on google. Anyway, the village envelopes are all filled up now and for the last 20 years what I have described was the next phase. Now we are starting to see huge new housing estates built on farm land, but were so far behind the number needed because building land was restricted for all those years after the village envelopes got filled. Other than arguing with Zany, because he's Zany. Do any of you accept we need more houses for young people or is it really your opinion that they would all go to illegal migrants? No one has said that. What has been said is you either build houses for those that are here in the here and now, which is what you seem to be advocating, or you build houses for young people and future immigrants, legal or otherwise.. The latter policy is unsustainable if maintained at current levels yet governments seem unable or unwilling to deal with the issue. So if we build house for the people here then one either has to stop any new arrivals being eligible to be housed in either private or social housing or stop immigration in its entirety. If neither are done then following a policy of building in the here and now will always be a problem stretching long years into the future. Policies have to be joined up. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 10, 2024 9:08:59 GMT
I'll repeat what I said - and then wait for an apology. "The restrictions on building are planning regulation, shortage of skilled trades and a shortage of materials. The price of land is an irrelevance." Apologise? You stated the price of land is irrelevant. You stated shortage of skilled trades and a shortage of materials. The price of land is an irrelevance." Planning regulation effects the price of land and is not irrelevant. Building LAND in France is cheaper than building LAND in the UK because there is more available. Trade and material costs are irrelevant to that fact. I think the point is that the price of land is an irrelevance as regards the number of houses built. The price is what the land costs and supply and demand dictate that, supply is controlled by planning regulation and availability of skills and materials to undertake the work. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 9:17:49 GMT
FFS - I said 6 days ago that one of the constraints was the planning system. You need to read what people write and not what you think/hope they write.. perhaps come down off planet Zany... You said houses were more expensive because of building costs when I said it was the price of land. You need to read what you said, not me. rising material costs are one of the reasons listed by the house building federation for the high cost of uk housing. you keep focusing on the price of land , which is of course one of the reasons why england has such high house prices. That applies though in many countries not just england , where land prices are high in desirable areas. you appear to be focusing on freeing up land to build upon. This seems to echo labours pre election idea of relaxing planning laws to build more houses , and has been said could be a recipe for disaster, with yet more poor quality new build housing built for example on flood plains. Although from the climate zealots perspective , this could be a good thing as they can then squeal about climate change. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 10, 2024 9:24:33 GMT
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