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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 12:27:14 GMT
This is all about net zero nuts wanting to save the world by ruining our economy . It’s an ideological pipe dream with others footing the bill. Correct which is why, in a perverse sort of a way, this government may be a good thing. I mean, after five years of net zero madness from Starmer and Milliband I think even clueless lefties may have had enough. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2024 12:31:59 GMT
And it's dangerous when we end up totally dependent on other countries for food, fuel and other essentials.
You'd think that the eejits-that-be would have worked that out by now.
Then again, maybe that's part of their plan for a New World Order.
Let's just hope there's enough rope and lamp posts for them all.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 13:27:48 GMT
This is all about net zero nuts wanting to save the world by ruining our economy . It’s an ideological pipe dream with others footing the bill. Correct which is why, in a perverse sort of a way, this government may be a good thing. I mean, after five years of net zero madness from Starmer and Milliband I think even clueless lefties may have had enough. I fear this government is going to lead us down ideological cul de sacs that we can’t get out of . I suspect that the more that they realise that they have failed to sell their bullshit to the electorate, the more bridges they will burn. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 9, 2024 13:28:48 GMT
England makes up 40% of the land of the british isles , but has nearly 80 % of the population. France has a population of something like 68 million , compared to england 57 million. England can fit inside France 5 times over. France has expensive areas , like some of the rich suburbs of Paris , or ski resorts like Chamonix , whereas over in western France , like the Marais poitevin , house prices are extremely cheap by comparison to the uk. In Scotlands central belt , which is massively overpopulated similar to Englands south east , if you want to buy a house in a rich suburb of Glasgow or Edinburgh , for example Bearsden or morning side , you will pay a premium as you would in south east england. Contrast that with the thinly populated north of scotland, where you can get a detached council bungalow overlooking the sea such is the lack of people , and you begin to see the pattern and truth of your words that zany appears to be unable to understand. Zany tells me he Is a businessman , yet doesn't appear to understand the basics that the higher the population , the higher the demand for housing ,the higher the price . Thats before we even get onto the fact how much land is needed to sustain human population in terms of food , water , producing energy and such like. Pushing past all the other stuff which ignores the fact Zany has already pointed out that only 11% of England ( not uk) is built on. Zanys point is shortage of houses has nothing to do with shortage of land to build on, it is about shortage of land released for building. Regarding self sufficiency in food.that stopped 4 decades ago. I mean what? The uk hasn't been self sufficient in food for centuries. England doesn't have the land to sustain its population , and scotland and Wales have a lot of land unsuitable to sustaining large populations .My post wasnt suggesting england or the uk doesn't have land to build on , I was simply comparing France to england in terms of geographical size and demography , and showing how your earlier post was nonsensical rubbish when comparing France to england. So tell me zany , why when labour were last in at both Holyrood , and more importantly for you , Westminster , over the course of thirteen years did they hardly build any houses , for example as we know thatcher built more than blair and brown.? You are now trying to tell the gullible that labour are going to do in the next five years that which they spectacularly failed to do over thirteen years? I mean their record in housebuilding is fucking lamentable. Over to you though , whats the big zany solution to cheap affordable housing being mass constructed to house all these immigrants along with the natives that you wish to invite in ? I mean I dont think there is anyone on planet earth outside of you who believes a thing starmer and his cronies say . |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 19:05:05 GMT
Can any of you grasp the idea that not all arable land is viable. Otherwise I have to assume Miliband does know considerably more than you. I never assume as it makes an " ass of u and me ", guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet I know what fallow means I was raised helping on the farms in a small village. That why I stated never used. And No they are not rewilded because that involves a lot more than just letting it go these days. People and dogs have to be kept out, certain plants added, water sources provided and the whole thing managed before you get any money. These are fields that are too clay or gault to offer a decent crop, hence why they tend to be grouped. I wish your brother luck, the farmer friend I know has just given up applying after failing the third inspection. (Probably because the government are broke) |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 19:06:45 GMT
And it's dangerous when we end up totally dependent on other countries for food, fuel and other essentials. You'd think that the eejits-that-be would have worked that out by now. Then again, maybe that's part of their plan for a New World Order. Let's just hope there's enough us. rope and lamp posts for them all.That 1% could tip the balance. Sigh. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 19:14:06 GMT
I never assume as it makes an " ass of u and me ", guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet I know what fallow means I was raised helping on the farms in a small village. That why I stated never used. And No they are not rewilded because that involves a lot more than just letting it go these days. People and dogs have to be kept out, certain plants added, water sources provided and the whole thing managed before you get any money. These are fields that are too clay or gault to offer a decent crop, hence why they tend to be grouped. I wish your brother luck, the farmer friend I know has just given up applying after failing the third inspection. (Probably because the government are broke) For what I’ve seen housing estates are built as an extension of a village or town not in random patches of farmland that are not fit for crops. Thats probably because it’s easier to build 1000 houses on a single plot of land than on 100 random plots around villages. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 19:15:25 GMT
Pushing past all the other stuff which ignores the fact Zany has already pointed out that only 11% of England ( not uk) is built on. Zanys point is shortage of houses has nothing to do with shortage of land to build on, it is about shortage of land released for building. Regarding self sufficiency in food.that stopped 4 decades ago. I mean what? The uk hasn't been self sufficient in food for centuries. England doesn't have the land to sustain its population , and scotland and Wales have a lot of land unsuitable to sustaining large populations .My post wasnt suggesting england or the uk doesn't have land to build on , I was simply comparing France to england in terms of geographical size and demography , and showing how your earlier post was nonsensical rubbish when comparing France to england. So tell me zany , why when labour were last in at both Holyrood , and more importantly for you , Westminster , over the course of thirteen years did they hardly build any houses , for example as we know thatcher built more than blair and brown.? You are now trying to tell the gullible that labour are going to do in the next five years that which they spectacularly failed to do over thirteen years? I mean their record in housebuilding is fucking lamentable. Over to you though , whats the big zany solution to cheap affordable housing being mass constructed to house all these immigrants along with the natives that you wish to invite in ? I mean I dont think there is anyone on planet earth outside of you who believes a thing starmer and his cronies say . Had you looked at my post in context it was not nonsensical. I was pointing out to Pacifico that house prices in the UK are higher because of limited supply of land. After he had claimed they were higher because of Labour and Material costs. If that were the case then houses in France would be a similar price to ours. Of course they are cheaper in France BECAUSE there is more building land available. Thus the price of building houses in England would fall if we released more land for building them on. I'm not interested in speculating how Labour will do in this context. I am simply pointing out that the biggest drain on this countries economy is the price of houses and the land they are built on. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 19:20:30 GMT
I know what fallow means I was raised helping on the farms in a small village. That why I stated never used. And No they are not rewilded because that involves a lot more than just letting it go these days. People and dogs have to be kept out, certain plants added, water sources provided and the whole thing managed before you get any money. These are fields that are too clay or gault to offer a decent crop, hence why they tend to be grouped. I wish your brother luck, the farmer friend I know has just given up applying after failing the third inspection. (Probably because the government are broke) For what I’ve seen housing estates are built as an extension of a village or town not in random patches of farmland that are not fit for crops. Thats probably because it’s easier to build 1000 houses on a single plot of land than on 100 random plots around villages. Then you don't live in a village. Hundreds of houses are squeezed into the village envelope because of the planning laws on the green belt. Every old bungalow that comes up for sale is knocked down and 3 houses built on the plot. Every house with a large enough back garden sells it as a building plot. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 19:21:08 GMT
Off out now. Sorry Red, try and stay calm till I'm back.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 19:28:46 GMT
For what I’ve seen housing estates are built as an extension of a village or town not in random patches of farmland that are not fit for crops. Thats probably because it’s easier to build 1000 houses on a single plot of land than on 100 random plots around villages. Then you don't live in a village. Hundreds of houses are squeezed into the village envelope because of the planning laws on the green belt. Every old bungalow that comes up for sale is knocked down and 3 houses built on the plot. Every house with a large enough back garden sells it as a building plot. Bullshit . I live in a village and every house build in parcels of land has been expensive and for good reason . They are expensive to build and aimed at the more wealthy house buyer. The more ‘ affordable’ houses are on large building sites around market towns and larger villages . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 9, 2024 19:35:39 GMT
For what I’ve seen housing estates are built as an extension of a village or town not in random patches of farmland that are not fit for crops. Thats probably because it’s easier to build 1000 houses on a single plot of land than on 100 random plots around villages. Then you don't live in a village. Hundreds of houses are squeezed into the village envelope because of the planning laws on the green belt. Every old bungalow that comes up for sale is knocked down and 3 houses built on the plot. Every house with a large enough back garden sells it as a building plot. Behave yourself, the property developers want greenbelt land to maximise their profits.
It costs the same amount of money to build a 4 bed house on brownfield land as it does on greenbelt.
The only difference is the return, a 4 bed house on brownfield land in a reasonable area will sell for about £235,000, the same house with the same building costs on greenbelt will sell for £335,000. That is why they pay a premium for greenbelt land and that is why they well never ever sell 'affordable or social housing' that is built on greenbelt ..... Rayner/Labour are pulling the wool over your eyes, making out they want greenbelt to build 'affordable' houses ...... lololol
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 19:38:43 GMT
Off out now. Sorry Red, try and stay calm till I'm back. Unlikely, lol. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2024 19:45:49 GMT
I never assume as it makes an " ass of u and me ", guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet I know what fallow means I was raised helping on the farms in a small village. That why I stated never used. And No they are not rewilded because that involves a lot more than just letting it go these days. People and dogs have to be kept out, certain plants added, water sources provided and the whole thing managed before you get any money. These are fields that are too clay or gault to offer a decent crop, hence why they tend to be grouped. I wish your brother luck, the farmer friend I know has just given up applying after failing the third inspection. (Probably because the government are broke) I did not say or think you didn't know what Fallow meant I simply voiced what I know to be factual why so tetchy ? , its my Brother in Law who is the Farmer his family have farmed here for years and years, he has been told he will be accepted for sections of his land early next year There is no public right of way on his land at all, nor does he need to provide a water source either one thing they we are not short of in Connemara water. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 19:52:09 GMT
Then you don't live in a village. Hundreds of houses are squeezed into the village envelope because of the planning laws on the green belt. Every old bungalow that comes up for sale is knocked down and 3 houses built on the plot. Every house with a large enough back garden sells it as a building plot. That's not the case in our experience. Whenever a property comes up for sale here, which isn't often but when they do they're snapped up in days, sometimes the 'for sale' sign doesn't even go up, 'sold' signs go up straight away. According to estate agents bungalows are highly sought after, not for redevelopment, but because they're desirable, particularly for older people. Mrs R and I are in our 60's and I think we're the youngest in the close, which means it's nice and quiet. |
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