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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2024 10:34:43 GMT
Indeed they are, but that doesn't effect our farmers or solar panels Well yes it does. The unelected EU are imposing very restrictive rules on European farmers because they're hell bent on destroying the economy with net zero nonsense and it's hardly a secret that pro EU Starmer and his 'top team' are EU rule takers. Starmer will do whatever the EU tells him to and the EU want farmers out of business. It's dangerous levels of stupidity.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 10:37:50 GMT
No. I’m saying that the loss of farmland should not be written off as irrelevant or unimportant. The rest of your post is accusations made up in your head because I’ve never suggested it. Yes, ofcourse I made it up, just as you made up the crap about my thinking. I was just pointing out to you that its not nice. I certainly am not writing off farmland as unimportant. I put a deal of thought into the process, hence my knowledge of where Solar farms are allowed to be placed, my knowledge of fallow land. My desire to help farmers by letting them build on land that doesn't do well for crops. British farmers have to compete on a world market, so if they cannot get a return on the cost of growing a crop on a piece of land, it sits fallow. Its no good them going to the supermarkets and saying my veg is more expensive because the land I grow it on is poor and difficult to manage. The supermarket will just buy their veg from France. What crap did I make up about your thinking ? How did that justify you making but a series of false claims about me ? You don’t have knowledge about solar farms being sited on fallow land because they are not being sited on fallow land . I have already pointed this out once . Your idea of ‘ helping ‘ farmers is to peddle a rather stupid idea that houses should be built of patches of land around farms and peddle a lie that solar farms are built on land that produces poor crop yields.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 10:38:17 GMT
That's a myth. Though interestingly many think it came off the back of a giant flood that happened when hills across from Gibraltar to Africa collapsed and the Atlantic poured into the Mediterranean sea. The Atlantic had risen sharply after an ice dam in North America burst following the Ice age melt. What caused the ice age melt? Too many coal fired power stations, apparently.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 9, 2024 10:39:13 GMT
Although pretty much every major civilisation has a flood legend. There are pictures of floods painted inside caves...
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 10:40:07 GMT
Well yes it does. The unelected EU are imposing very restrictive rules on European farmers because they're hell bent on destroying the economy with net zero nonsense and it's hardly a secret that pro EU Starmer and his 'top team' are EU rule takers. Starmer will do whatever the EU tells him to and the EU want farmers out of business. Not if Trump has anything to do with it. We could have a very good relationship with Trump particularly with favourable trade deals, but that would upset the EU, and as we all know Starmer is very pro EU. Tell you what, I'd have given anything to be a fly on the wall in number 10 when they got the news that Trump had won, then after Starmer had stopped blubbing he had to phone Trump to say well done LOL.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 9, 2024 10:42:15 GMT
Not if Trump has anything to do with it. We could have a very good relationship with Trump particularly with favourable trade deals, but that would upset the EU, and as we all know Starmer is very pro EU. Tell you what, I'd have given anything to be a fly on the wall in number 10 when they got the news that Trump had won, then after Starmer had stopped blubbing he had to phone Trump to say well done LOL. Eating humble pie is the wankers usual diet...
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 10:44:48 GMT
We could have a very good relationship with Trump particularly with favourable trade deals, but that would upset the EU, and as we all know Starmer is very pro EU. Tell you what, I'd have given anything to be a fly on the wall in number 10 when they got the news that Trump had won, then after Starmer had stopped blubbing he had to phone Trump to say well done LOL. Eating humble pie is the wankers usual diet... I'm reminded of Wapentakes meme.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2024 10:50:19 GMT
WTF does Miliband know about Farming ? Feck all once the limited amount of arable land is gone its gone for good, which means the UK will have to import more from overseas more fuel used Can any of you grasp the idea that not all arable land is viable. Otherwise I have to assume Miliband does know considerably more than you. I never assume as it makes an " ass of u and me ", guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet
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Post by jonksy on Nov 9, 2024 10:53:51 GMT
Can any of you grasp the idea that not all arable land is viable. Otherwise I have to assume Miliband does know considerably more than you. I never assume as it makes an ass of you and me, guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet Milliband wouldnt be able to find his own arse whitout a frigging map... And his brother is no better...
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Post by zanygame on Nov 9, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
Indeed they are, but that doesn't effect our farmers or solar panels Well yes it does. The unelected EU are imposing very restrictive rules on European farmers because they're hell bent on destroying the economy with net zero nonsense and it's hardly a secret that pro EU Starmer and his 'top team' are EU rule takers. Starmer will do whatever the EU tells him to and the EU want farmers out of business. Yes they're definitely hell bent of destroying the economy, its well known that the rich elites running countries are desperate to destroy their economies. It would be so much easier to abandon the Net zero nonsense and just let you pick up the bill for the damage from flash flooding and hurricanes. So much better for Hollands farmers if their land was flooded for 5 months of the year. And then you could complain that your food bill is 20% higher. Probably because of immigrants getting fed in hotels or some such.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 9, 2024 11:00:24 GMT
I never assume as it makes an ass of you and me, guess work in other words, most of the Arable land in the UK was created over many years by farmers clearing the land, most of the UK was covered in forests many years ago, as for Fallow land normal farming practice to rest a field for a year or two for it to recover and absorb organic material then put back into food production The ones you state have been fallowed for 17 years the farmer or farmers that owns them have probably agreed to rewild them for a set payment from the Government each year, my Brother in Law is in the process of doing that here in Connemara as he is not as young as he used to be, its hard work climbing a Mountain three times a day to check his flock of sheep, he can manage his land lower down As for Sheep and Cattle on none arable land the land will only support so many each year, I am surrounded by small sheep farmers some may fatten up young bullocks if they have reasonable grazing to feed them, once they are older and bigger sold for meat that you and I can buy in Supermarkets, meat that has not been transported from thousands of miles away, good for the planet Milliband wouldnt be able to find his own arse whitout a frigging map... And his brother is no better... Double Trouble
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Post by sandypine on Nov 9, 2024 11:18:58 GMT
Well yes it does. The unelected EU are imposing very restrictive rules on European farmers because they're hell bent on destroying the economy with net zero nonsense and it's hardly a secret that pro EU Starmer and his 'top team' are EU rule takers. Starmer will do whatever the EU tells him to and the EU want farmers out of business. Yes they're definitely hell bent of destroying the economy, its well known that the rich elites running countries are desperate to destroy their economies. It would be so much easier to abandon the Net zero nonsense and just let you pick up the bill for the damage from flash flooding and hurricanes. So much better for Hollands farmers if their land was flooded for 5 months of the year. And then you could complain that your food bill is 20% higher. Probably because of immigrants getting fed in hotels or some such. However that is what is happening. Perhaps they have no concerns for economies of individual countries but only how it affects them globally. Once again there is no evidence that flash flooding is becoming worse nor that hurricanes are becoming worse. I am not saying that the IPCC have said it. You believe them in all other things why not accept their word in this instance.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 9, 2024 11:23:08 GMT
Yes they're definitely hell bent of destroying the economy, its well known that the rich elites running countries are desperate to destroy their economies. It would be so much easier to abandon the Net zero nonsense and just let you pick up the bill for the damage from flash flooding and hurricanes. So much better for Hollands farmers if their land was flooded for 5 months of the year. And then you could complain that your food bill is 20% higher. Probably because of immigrants getting fed in hotels or some such. ZG, I don't know how to break this to you, so be a stout fellow and brace yourself. It doesn't matter what we do in the tiny UK, or Europe for that matter. If fossil fuels and cows farting are to blame for global warming then we're fucked because no one is going to stop China and a whole host of other countries, including the US, burning fossil fuels. It's not going to happen. The only effect net zero will have is to damage the economy and make people poor, which is why western governments that force net zero on electorates will be voted out.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2024 11:34:17 GMT
Well yes it does. The unelected EU are imposing very restrictive rules on European farmers because they're hell bent on destroying the economy with net zero nonsense and it's hardly a secret that pro EU Starmer and his 'top team' are EU rule takers. Starmer will do whatever the EU tells him to and the EU want farmers out of business. Yes they're definitely hell bent of destroying the economy, its well known that the rich elites running countries are desperate to destroy their economies. It would be so much easier to abandon the Net zero nonsense and just let you pick up the bill for the damage from flash flooding and hurricanes. So much better for Hollands farmers if their land was flooded for 5 months of the year. And then you could complain that your food bill is 20% higher. Probably because of immigrants getting fed in hotels or some such. Doh!
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Post by Bentley on Nov 9, 2024 12:03:14 GMT
This is all about net zero nuts wanting to save the world by ruining our economy . It’s an ideological pipe dream with others footing the bill.
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