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Post by buccaneer on Nov 8, 2024 17:48:15 GMT
Not from my viewpoint. We aren't self sufficient in any number of essential items, everything from Copper to cotton. But so long as we don't fall out with the whole world someone will sell them to us Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . Who would of thought Zany was looking out for farming and farmers during Brexit? I think we can see that was all a load of rubbish now. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 17:56:23 GMT
Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . I think we can see that was all a load of rubbish now. You couldn't make it up mate... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:07:54 GMT
Not from my viewpoint. We aren't self sufficient in any number of essential items, everything from Copper to cotton. But so long as we don't fall out with the whole world someone will sell them to us Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:09:27 GMT
Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . Who would of thought Zany was looking out for farming and farmers during Brexit? I think we can see that was all a load of rubbish now. Whatever your taking please increase the dosage. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 8, 2024 18:13:30 GMT
Who would of thought Zany was looking out for farming and farmers during Brexit? I think we can see that was all a load of rubbish now. Whatever your taking please increase the dosage. The dosage won't change the BS you try and hide behind.  |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:17:39 GMT
Whatever your taking please increase the dosage. The dosage won't change the BS you try and hide behind. Its a lot better quality than your one liner drivel. Now either add something relevant to the subject or stop spoiling the thread. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:22:04 GMT
Well let’s stop growing anything . You are a genius . Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now. But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 8, 2024 18:27:33 GMT
The dosage won't change the BS you try and hide behind. Its a lot better quality than your one liner drivel. Now either add something relevant to the subject or stop spoiling the thread. I highlighted your phoney defense of UK farming during Brexit. My post was entirely relevant to your hypocritical view-point. BTW, you are not a mod so you can refrain from acting the almighty on here. I thought you ran away and found a safe space elsewhere? Why have you bothered to return when you couldn't stand the heat the first time? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:34:42 GMT
Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now. But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . Because the more we make ourselves the less we import. I was arguing that we were already not self sufficient and using 1% more land to give young people somewhere to live would have virtually no effect on that. You are arguing that young people shouldn't have decent lives so you can buy 1% more food from England. But I'll bet you don't even think about where your cucumber was grown. You just don't want more houses for the young so you can keep the nice high price your home which you bought far cheaper is now worth. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 8, 2024 18:35:38 GMT
Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now. But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . It's remarkable how these types worried about British farming during Brexit negotiations, but now are happy to see inheritance tax placed on farmers and their land used for a virtue signalling gimmick. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 8, 2024 18:36:58 GMT
Its a lot better quality than your one liner drivel. Now either add something relevant to the subject or stop spoiling the thread. I highlighted your phoney defense of UK farming during Brexit. My post was entirely relevant to your hypocritical view-point. BTW, you are not a mod so you can refrain from acting the almighty on here. I thought you ran away and found a safe space elsewhere? Why have you bothered to return when you couldn't stand the heat the first time? You have no idea what I said about farming during Brexit, you just can't think of anything intelligent to say. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:51:27 GMT
But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . Because the more we make ourselves the less we import. I was arguing that we were already not self sufficient and using 1% more land to give young people somewhere to live would have virtually no effect on that. You are arguing that young people shouldn't have decent lives so you can buy 1% more food from England. But I'll bet you don't even think about where your cucumber was grown. You just don't want more houses for the young so you can keep the nice high price your home which you bought far cheaper is now worth. No. I’m saying that the loss of farmland should not be written off as irrelevant or unimportant. The rest of your post is accusations made up in your head because I’ve never suggested it. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 8, 2024 18:55:47 GMT
But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . It's remarkable how these types worried about British farming during Brexit negotiations, but now are happy to see inheritance tax placed on farmers and their land used for a virtue signalling gimmick. Because they are driven by ideology and virtue signalling ,not rationality. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 8, 2024 19:09:43 GMT
You keep repeating the same old rubbish, most people live below the 700ft contour and in England that accounts for about half the land, so your 11% is more like 20% of where the houses will be built. To build effectively at higher elevations you need a different spec in terms of water run off/drainage, insulation, wind resistance and roof construction. Unless you actively want to live there, and most people do not, then speculation building will not entertain it. Self sufficiency in food is the most obvious target to obtain for the basics. Of course there is shortage of land being released becaseu most people do not want vast numbers of little boxes next to them, car repairs outside their living room window and numerous kids bored out of their skulls rampaging and screaming in the back gardens. I remember coming home in summer evenings in the 80s to the rich smell of honeysuckle, replaced by the 90s with barbecue fluid and burnt sausages. Sorry what? People can't build houses in areas higher than 700ft, 200mtrs? What you mean is most houses are built in valleys because England is old and people built next to water sources. Talk about trying to twist the facts to suit your agenda, this is a new low. And even then that only means 20% is built of for 70 million people, so 2% more would supply the 700,000 shortfall. Anyone who lives in the country and or has worked on farms knows there are fields and patches of fields on just about every farm that sit doing nothing because they are not viable. Below I took a google image of just my small village, the areas outlined in red are fields left fallow since I moved here 17 years ago. You have to understand, every farm has some land like this.  Back to deliberate misunderstanding, houses above 700ft can be easily built when that is where you wish to live. Most people do not so wish as I have already pointed out temperature drops about 1 C for every 350ft or thereabouts, precipitation increases as well although that relationship is not so clear cut. Winter stays longer, autumn comes earlier and summer is cooler. The population density above 700ft drops of dramatically and all UK cities lie below 700 ft and indeed most towns. Only smaller villages exist above the 700ft contour and speculative housebuilding is just not worth the effort even if land is very cheap. People have to want to live up there. Every village has empty space because we are not dealing with a blade runner type cityscape we are dealing with British Citizens whose quality of life is something they value even if it is just a bit of empty space that helps that quality exist. Consider your own house and garden. You can only actually exist on about 3sq ft but you want more to be availbale for your personal use and much more for your shared use. If you have 3000sq ft you are only able to occupy 0.1% of that at any one time, so 0.4% for a standard family. You may like to go out round the fields and lanes or up into the hills or just sit and watch nature go by along the lanes. These things are part and parcel of living that some seem to consider unimportant. We have lost too much already. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 8, 2024 19:49:25 GMT
Really. It has to be all or nothing? Make all our own cars or make none Make all our own energy or make none. I know you're being tongue in cheek, but you've gone and triggered Rebirth now. But you were the one who claimed that as were not sufficient in any number of essential items then one more wouldn’t matter because we could buy it from abroad . So why farm at all? We could just import it . We can ALL remember the bullshit about chicken produced in in the USA by the usual fuckers who voted remain... |
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