How bad will the Budget be?

You've already asked me that, and I replied on the penultimate post on page 37.

Fwiw, I agree that the low birth rate in this country is a big issue and worthy of a separate thread. I also agree to much of the responses to my initial point. Unfortunately Dan and Bently had to make it about skin colour, which it isn't, bloody typical of this forum.

You also mistake me for a Labour supporter yet again. Are you sure that you don't have reading difficulties because I'm constantly explaining my political compass to you, but you don't seem to get it.

hang on a wee second here Steve. Ratcliff has a point about incentivising the birth rate as you well know. The snp and other parties have repeatedly called for the new labour government for example to scrap the two child benefit cap , while a number of labour mps also agreed with the snp when they tabled an amendment to the  kings speech , and seven labour mps had the whip removed for rebelling by starmer.

Most folk are totally against mass uncontrolled immigration from the third world , many of us (including myself) support controlled immigration from like minded countries where the migrant will enhance and enrich scotland and england and be a net contributor to our societies , and a tiny minority want all immigration stopped.

It's a vast complicated subject that has many nuances and difficult discussions , and can do without the usual screams of racism and hatred we so often see from the liberal left. Its why the subject cannot be debated with any decency or intellect , and in my opinion , is why Europe , and that includes us , is starting to turn further to the right due to tin eared politicians and courts ignoring the publics dissent.

 immigration has been a massive achilles heel since Blairs days back in 2004 for labour , its why the red wall at one point deserted you , and it will hammer this current incarnation of labour if they like the tories do little to nothing about it.

I just gave you the facts of the matter how you deal with it I don't really care, just buck passing like the government and the civil service doesn't change a thing, I guarantee you are being manipulated as a consumer at least a 100 times day already.

Indeed they do count so in terms of dealing with new house construction should we not deal with decreasing need as an integral part of the process to build to meet the need. You may want immigration stopped but seem to only wish to create a policy of building houses and not interfere with the migration increase at least in parallel with the house construction policy. It is akin to creating a group to fix windows to replace windows being broken by a madman but not actually trying to stop him breaking windows. It makes no sense either in a sustainable way or in a providing accommodation for British Citizens sort of way.

Building more houses lies in the realm of government policy as does immigration. I thought the discussion was with regards what is to be done, most say that dealing with house building and not dealing with migration is not joined up policy. Pushing for more houses, and the regulations necessary for that, without a direct policy to control immigration is counter productive and will actually have a negative impact on the house building policy aim of providing houses for our population unless one plans to cater for future increases as well. If that is policy then that should be clearly stated.

Well yes - but until they are granted asylum they remain an illegal migrant. 

And as I have already pointed out, we are building houses but can never build houses fast enough to cope with the current rate of immigration.