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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2024 22:29:24 GMT
So why was your hatred removed by the mod team then andrea? Because I didn't wrap it up in any politics. BOLLOCKS andrea you called FS a retard FFS...You said it so now you you own it... |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2024 22:39:21 GMT
Really now? LOL! If, for example, you read any of Andrew's posts you'll see him claim that illegal immigrants aren't illegal if they're "Asylum Seekers" or "Refugees" which is of course entirely self-defined. And the government itself is seeking to blur the lines by attempting to insert the term "Irregular migrant" in place of "Illegal immigrant". Indeed, the term "Migrant" itself seeks to add an veneer of legitimacy by lumping all new arrivals together. So yes, the lines are being deliberately blurred and it's quite obvious. Unless you live under a rock or are simply too dishonest to admit to it that is. That's simple enough to understand. really - can you quote the Law that says this? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 7, 2024 0:13:55 GMT
Because I didn't wrap it up in any politics. BOLLOCKS andrea you called FS a retard FFS...You said it so now you you own it... And that isn't against forum rules. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2024 0:16:56 GMT
BOLLOCKS andrea you called FS a retard FFS...You said it so now you you own it... And that isn't against forum rules. So why were your comments deleted by the mod team andrea? You have had the link to the post you made calling FS a retard... Stop trying to deflect from the subject of your lots fuckup shitshow of a budget.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 7, 2024 6:24:54 GMT
And that isn't against forum rules. So why were your comments deleted by the mod team andrea? You have had the link to the post you made calling FS a retard... Stop trying to deflect from the subject of your lots fuckup shitshow of a budget.. You've already asked me that, and I replied on the penultimate post on page 37. Fwiw, I agree that the low birth rate in this country is a big issue and worthy of a separate thread. I also agree to much of the responses to my initial point. Unfortunately Dan and Bently had to make it about skin colour, which it isn't, bloody typical of this forum. You also mistake me for a Labour supporter yet again. Are you sure that you don't have reading difficulties because I'm constantly explaining my political compass to you, but you don't seem to get it. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 7, 2024 7:16:00 GMT
Anyway Einstein's I asked a fair question but obviously it easier to play with Jonsky who doesn't have an answer either. Let's have some facts and figures before you start trying to tell the difference between illegal and legal because for some reason those who decide don't have a clue either My definition for the purposes of this conversation are those who applied to come here legally and were accepted legally. There maybe a few thousand others who applied for asylum and got it, but their numbers are insignificant when considering the housing shortage. Your definition isn't much use in the real world, we have imported millions of unskilled and have created a very large underclass, while in the real- world technology is moving at a pace and AI is fast approaching, so the only use they will have is as consumers, but where will the money come from to create all these new consumers? The government needs to take more from society not hand more over just to survive. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2024 7:19:45 GMT
So why were your comments deleted by the mod team andrea? You have had the link to the post you made calling FS a retard... Stop trying to deflect from the subject of your lots fuckup shitshow of a budget.. You've already asked me that, and I replied on the penultimate post on page 37.Fwiw, I agree that the low birth rate in this country is a big issue and worthy of a separate thread. I also agree to much of the responses to my initial point. Unfortunately Dan and Bently had to make it about skin colour, which it isn't, bloody typical of this forum. You also mistake me for a Labour supporter yet again. Are you sure that you don't have reading difficulties because I'm constantly explaining my political compass to you, but you don't seem to get it. No you didn't you just made an excuse over your blatant insulting of another poster...
No you were the one who introduced colour.....
If it quacks like a duck andrea. FFS you are one of the first on here to jump to starmers and labours defence... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 7, 2024 7:20:48 GMT
If they are granted asylum they are no longer illegal. That's simple enough to understand. But, by "The left" I assumed you meant someone of significance in power, not a bloke on a forum. A forum where a right winger insists we don't "invite legal migrants to live here" because they have to apply. Talk about word play. But the bloke on a forum is simply parrotting the official rhetoric.
And you want to complain about "Word play".  I wasn't complaining I was explaining. I take it you have no access to the official rhetoric you could show me. I suppose it comes in the same category as "We don't want X or Y" The weird assumption that what I think is what the country thinks. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 7, 2024 7:32:38 GMT
That didn’t answer the question but it raises another question . Would you give a shit if the white British population was dwindling ? The white British population IS dwindling. I still don't give a shit about someone's skin colour. I don't know if you're white, brown, black or yellow. Would you expect me to treat me differently if I knew? In all fairness Andrew I don't think when discussing which Brits have most children that its racist to discuss which races make up the numbers. Anymore than it would be racist to discuss which races are most prone to diabetes or sickle cell. These are just facts and figures. After all we might conclude that Indians cultures living here have more children and because that's a good thing for the country deliberately invite more to live here. Excluding such conversations has two effects, it makes the subject impossible to discuss and fuels the racists argument that there's something to hide and be ashamed of. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 7, 2024 7:36:42 GMT
If they are granted asylum they are no longer illegal. That's simple enough to understand. really - can you quote the Law that says this? Well most are given refugee status for 5 years and can legally remain here and live in a house. After that they must apply again. But from the perspective of not enough houses for the people living here they count in those numbers. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 7, 2024 7:47:15 GMT
Then incentivise the birth rate for net contributors to make childcare etc easier (eg £2-5000 extra personal tax level) and remove all financial incentives for unemployed benefit scroungers to become pregnant and stay taking '' because they ''can't '' work )- once they have become gainfully employed they would be eligible for family financial incentives But wait.... clearly there are so few of us that we need to incentivise more breeding. hang on a wee second here Steve. Ratcliff has a point about incentivising the birth rate as you well know. The snp and other parties have repeatedly called for the new labour government for example to scrap the two child benefit cap , while a number of labour mps also agreed with the snp when they tabled an amendment to the kings speech , and seven labour mps had the whip removed for rebelling by starmer. Most folk are totally against mass uncontrolled immigration from the third world , many of us (including myself) support controlled immigration from like minded countries where the migrant will enhance and enrich scotland and england and be a net contributor to our societies , and a tiny minority want all immigration stopped. It's a vast complicated subject that has many nuances and difficult discussions , and can do without the usual screams of racism and hatred we so often see from the liberal left. Its why the subject cannot be debated with any decency or intellect , and in my opinion , is why Europe , and that includes us , is starting to turn further to the right due to tin eared politicians and courts ignoring the publics dissent. immigration has been a massive achilles heel since Blairs days back in 2004 for labour , its why the red wall at one point deserted you , and it will hammer this current incarnation of labour if they like the tories do little to nothing about it. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 7, 2024 7:49:04 GMT
My definition for the purposes of this conversation are those who applied to come here legally and were accepted legally. There maybe a few thousand others who applied for asylum and got it, but their numbers are insignificant when considering the housing shortage. Your definition isn't much use in the real world, we have imported millions of unskilled and have created a very large underclass, while in the real- world technology is moving at a pace and AI is fast approaching, so the only use they will have is as consumers, but where will the money come from to create all these new consumers? The government needs to take more from society not hand more over just to survive. I was asked for my definition and I gave it, feel free to use your own. We imported millions of workers to do jobs that needed doing, to my knowledge no one can come to live in this country unless they are here to work or study. The system is certainly flawed and I never wanted our government to plug the money gap in this way, but despite Pacifico's word games we invited them to come. We said hey look there's these jobs that need doing would you like to apply for them. Would you care to name which unskilled jobs went to this underclass? As for AI and automation its been here for a while. Its been taking skilled (Expensive) jobs for years. But that acceleration is in the future, the immigration we are discussing is historical and was done to fill the gap in public finances caused by ever increasing mortality rates and retirement lengths. Addressing AI automation directly Sheepy, I'm not sure how that's going to play out. Will all the money go to the few who own the machines and software? Will we have a huge underclass scraping by. Will we have the money shared out like some kind of communism. Not sure that its a better proposition for the average man than what's gone before. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 7, 2024 7:51:44 GMT
really - can you quote the Law that says this? Well most are given refugee status for 5 years and can legally remain here and live in a house. After that they must apply again. But from the perspective of not enough houses for the people living here they count in those numbers. Well yes - but until they are granted asylum they remain an illegal migrant. And as I have already pointed out, we are building houses but can never build houses fast enough to cope with the current rate of immigration. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 7, 2024 7:56:51 GMT
Your definition isn't much use in the real world, we have imported millions of unskilled and have created a very large underclass, while in the real- world technology is moving at a pace and AI is fast approaching, so the only use they will have is as consumers, but where will the money come from to create all these new consumers? The government needs to take more from society not hand more over just to survive. I was asked for my definition and I gave it, feel free to use your own. We imported millions of workers to do jobs that needed doing, to my knowledge no one can come to live in this country unless they are here to work or study. The system is certainly flawed and I never wanted our government to plug the money gap in this way, but despite Pacifico's word games we invited them to come. We said hey look there's these jobs that need doing would you like to apply for them. Would you care to name which unskilled jobs went to this underclass? As for AI and automation its been here for a while. Its been taking skilled (Expensive) jobs for years. But that acceleration is in the future, the immigration we are discussing is historical and was done to fill the gap in public finances caused by ever increasing mortality rates and retirement lengths. Addressing AI automation directly Sheepy, I'm not sure how that's going to play out. Will all the money go to the few who own the machines and software? Will we have a huge underclass scraping by. Will we have the money shared out like some kind of communism. Not sure that its a better proposition for the average man than what's gone before. I just gave you the facts of the matter how you deal with it I don't really care, just buck passing like the government and the civil service doesn't change a thing, I guarantee you are being manipulated as a consumer at least a 100 times day already. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 7, 2024 7:57:28 GMT
But wait.... clearly there are so few of us that we need to incentivise more breeding. hang on a wee second here Steve. Ratcliff has a point about incentivising the birth rate as you well know. The snp and other parties have repeatedly called for the new labour government for example to scrap the two child benefit cap , while a number of labour mps also agreed with the snp when they tabled an amendment to the kings speech , and seven labour mps had the whip removed for rebelling by starmer. Most folk are totally against mass uncontrolled immigration from the third world , many of us (including myself) support controlled immigration from like minded countries where the migrant will enhance and enrich scotland and england and be a net contributor to our societies , and a tiny minority want all immigration stopped. It's a vast complicated subject that has many nuances and difficult discussions , and can do without the usual screams of racism and hatred we so often see from the liberal left. Its why the subject cannot be debated with any decency or intellect , and in my opinion , is why Europe , and that includes us , is starting to turn further to the right due to tin eared politicians and courts ignoring the publics dissent. immigration has been a massive achilles heel since Blairs days back in 2004 for labour , its why the red wall at one point deserted you , and it will hammer this current incarnation of labour if they like the tories do little to nothing about it. Thing is people from like minded countries didn't want to come here in the numbers we needed, same across the whole Western world. So that idea falls into wishful thinking. I do agree its not racist to discuss the effects of cultural dilution especially is certain areas where it hasn't worked well. I also agree a growing number want immigration severely curbed, but sadly they don't want to pay the cost. Any attempt to discuss that cost is met with stupid ideas such as cutting diversity managers, as if that would come anywhere close to a millionth of the costs involved. |
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