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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2024 18:11:06 GMT
that would take 5 years and the problem is solved. Apart from the cost factor. The reason 6% interest rates are crippling the economy is that mortgages are £350,000 quid. If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 3, 2024 18:57:51 GMT
We don't have a housing problem, we have an over population problem and we can't build our way out of it. I only wish to accommodate those who already here. What do you propose? I don't. I suggest that, as a first step, we start by correctly enforcing our immigration legislation.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 3, 2024 19:32:31 GMT
Given that the migrant and migrant-descended population, legal and illegal, is now close to or perhaps already over 17 million, how many of them do you believe we (the host population) have an obligation to provide accommodation for? 100%? Fewer? Is there some cut-off point beyond which you would agree that no such obligation exists? As I said I want accommodation for people living here. I have stated a hundred times that I don't want anymore immigration. I separate legal from illegal migrants as they are very different things with very different solutions and very different numbers. We have obligation to provide for homes for the UK population. WE invited those who live here. We don't have to invite more. 'We' did not do any inviting, we told our government that 'not inviting' was what we wanted, our government said they would invite many many fewer but they ignored us. Now that was not fair, just as it would not be fair to ask many people to leave. Sorting a problem out is never fair. My preference is to be fair to the British electorate who were traduced and in the first instance review all citizenship awards in the last 15 years, fraudulent ones, immediate removal of citizenship and deportation, overstayers immediate removal, illegals immediate removal. Trying to be fair to everyone is a recipe for excessive unfairness on the British people and to be honest many have had enough.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 7:40:52 GMT
Apart from the cost factor. The reason 6% interest rates are crippling the economy is that mortgages are £350,000 quid. If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed. Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here.
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Post by Orac on Nov 4, 2024 7:52:11 GMT
If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed. Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. You should make it clear that your advocacy for opening up the greenbelt is contingent upon us first closing down immigration. The weird thing is you never, ever do this - you advocate for opening the greenbelt as an isolated policy
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Post by jonksy on Nov 4, 2024 7:52:53 GMT
If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed. Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. We don't want them here FFS....
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Post by sandypine on Nov 4, 2024 8:06:45 GMT
If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed. Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. Unless action is taken 'the people already living here' by next week will have risen beyond the number of houses being built for those already living here this week. There is no point in baling out the boat but not try to fix the leak. A problem has many facets and all need to be dealt with effectively. If we cannot stop the inward surge then no amount of house building will suffice and no matter what the percentages are our land is finite.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 4, 2024 8:09:50 GMT
If you stop increasing demand then prices will stabilise - all the while demand outstrips the ability to meet that demand prices will remain high. You simply cannot build enough housing to keep up with the demand from immigration - never in our history have we built on the rate that would be needed. Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. We are - but there is a limit to how fast we can build. The general average since WW2 is about 200,000 units a year - which is what the current rate is. The only thing causing a housing shortage is the importation of migrants that increase our population above the rate of building.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 4, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. We are - but there is a limit to how fast we can build. The general average since WW2 is about 200,000 units a year - which is what the current rate is. The only thing causing a housing shortage is the importation of migrants that increase our population above the rate of building. If the Government put in place compulsory purchase orders of all the empty houses across the UK it would be at huge cost to the Tax Payers, and be prepared for Legal battles by the owners if they object, more Tax Payers money, then the cost of refurbishment to make them habitable. The Tax Payers would also have to pay for extra school places, increase capacity of local Hospitals, more GP's and increase roads and rail capacity, they would also need to increase the availability of employment, if not the Tax Payers would have pay more the unemployment Benefits which is already too high, we would also need to source more drinking water, more sewage plants Once Brown Fill sites run out they would have to build on the Green Belt, once its gone it gone for good, if they compulsory purchase Farm Land to build on we would need to import more from abroad, Farmers already struggle to make ends meet, It is fecking simple we cannot keep absorbing more and more people, the UK is a small land mass it is already full
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 21:10:24 GMT
Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. You should make it clear that your advocacy for opening up the greenbelt is contingent upon us first closing down immigration. The weird thing is you never, ever do this - you advocate for opening the greenbelt as an isolated policy I add it to pretty much every post. I can't say how many times I've told you I think we must stop immigration. The actual difference between our opinions is that you want to make building homes for young people in the UK conditional on stopping immigration and I don't. I see no reason to punish the young for something they have no control over.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 21:13:52 GMT
Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. We don't want them here FFS.... I'm aware of that. But your government asked them to come. Yes your good old Tories. Either way its not the fault of those who were invited.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 21:18:26 GMT
I only wish to accommodate those who already here. What do you propose? I don't. I suggest that, as a first step, we start by correctly enforcing our immigration legislation. So like Orac you want to hold young Brits hostage to change immigration policy.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 4, 2024 21:20:05 GMT
I don't. I suggest that, as a first step, we start by correctly enforcing our immigration legislation. So like Orac you want to hold young Brits hostage to change immigration policy. Only on a Tuesday, when there's an "R" in the month, with a kipper.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 21:22:06 GMT
Indeed, but then I'm not arguing we maintain immigration rates and build houses for Africa. I am arguing that we build for the people already living here. Unless action is taken 'the people already living here' by next week will have risen beyond the number of houses being built for those already living here this week. There is no point in baling out the boat but not try to fix the leak. A problem has many facets and all need to be dealt with effectively. If we cannot stop the inward surge then no amount of house building will suffice and no matter what the percentages are our land is finite. There is every point because the people you wish to hold hostage are not responsible. Tell you what, how about we throw old people out of their homes until the government cuts immigration?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 4, 2024 21:23:46 GMT
So like Orac you want to hold young Brits hostage to change immigration policy. Only on a Tuesday, when there's an "R" in the month, with a kipper. I hadn't realised that came up so often.
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