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Post by jonksy on Oct 17, 2024 21:49:34 GMT
Unfortunately virtue signalling (whether it be slavery, racism, net zero etc etc) is now the defining characteristic of the progressive left in this country. You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. That's why they are known as easily led pillocks... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 17, 2024 22:00:48 GMT
Unfortunately virtue signalling (whether it be slavery, racism, net zero etc etc) is now the defining characteristic of the progressive left in this country. You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. There's a problem though, a modern problem, the lefties you speak of tend to be quite selective when it come to racism. Indeed, thanks to DEI it's pretty difficult for anyone to be accused of racism, unless they're white and English. As for the 'climate crisis', many scientists are of the opinion there is no climate emergency, naturally they are shouted down by lefties (who are not scientists) as idiots and crackpots. It seems to be the modern trend or the, woke way... ' my feelings are far more important than yours, so agree with me or I will scream in your face'. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 18, 2024 0:19:34 GMT
We cannot trust the PM.
And our country started the abolition of slavery ball rolling. How much did the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron cost the Victorians? Slavery is still around in some African and middle eastern countries.
Modern slavery is around in China and other Asian nations.
Make those who are still involved pay reparations to living victims.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 18, 2024 0:56:38 GMT
We cannot trust the PM. And our country started the abolition of slavery ball rolling. How much did the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron cost the Victorians? Slavery is still around in some African and middle eastern countries. Modern slavery is around in China and other Asian nations. Make those who are still involved pay reparations to living victims. Good question, how much did the West Africa Squadron cost. It has been called the most expensive moral action in history, but there is no monument or memorial to the Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron. Quote: From 1807 - 1867 the West Africa Squadron [Which consisted of 36 ships] seized over 1600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans who were destined for a life of slavery in North America or Brazil. The cost to Britain was the lives of nearly 1600 Royal Navy sailors and financially 2% of the UK's total GDP. [Which is more than the defence budget today] |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 18, 2024 1:36:57 GMT
We cannot trust the PM. And our country started the abolition of slavery ball rolling. How much did the Royal Navy anti slavery squadron cost the Victorians? Slavery is still around in some African and middle eastern countries. Modern slavery is around in China and other Asian nations. Make those who are still involved pay reparations to living victims. Good question, how much did the West Africa Squadron cost. It has been called the most expensive moral action in history, but there is no monument or memorial to the Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron. Quote: From 1807 - 1867 the West Africa Squadron [Which consisted of 36 ships] seized over 1600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans who were destined for a life of slavery in North America or Brazil. The cost to Britain was the lives of nearly 1600 Royal Navy sailors and financially 2% of the UK's total GDP. [Which is more than the defence budget today] During the Royal Navy's anti-slavery efforts, nearly 1,600 sailors died while on duty between 1830 and 1865, primarily from disease. The Royal Navy lost one sailor for every nine slaves freed during this time. The West Africa Squadron captured around 6% of transatlantic slave ships and freed about 150,000 Africans. One of the Royal Navy's losses was the ten-gun sloop HMS Waterwitch, which spent 21 years hunting down slave ships before being sunk in 1861. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 18, 2024 6:49:07 GMT
And it's high time they were remembered with a memorial day of their own.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2024 6:50:59 GMT
Unfortunately virtue signalling (whether it be slavery, racism, net zero etc etc) is now the defining characteristic of the progressive left in this country. You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. That does not mean that they do not indulge in virtue signalling - in fact it gives them more reign to be ever more virtuous. Take the lunatic Ed Miliband and his bizarre crusade to lead the world and to decarbonise the UK energy sector by 2030 - no matter how much it costs in money and jobs. Are you seriously trying to say that if he is successful it will have an impact on the climate crisis?  |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2024 7:20:37 GMT
Unfortunately virtue signalling (whether it be slavery, racism, net zero etc etc) is now the defining characteristic of the progressive left in this country. You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. It seems historic slavery cannot be separated from historic and current racism and climate change is often linked to the industrial revolution which in turn is linked to how slavery 'kick started' the industrial revolution. They have been joined at the hips by the left for several years now. All that is sought is an honest interpretation of all history with clarity on what actually happened instead of the current vogue of concentrating only on the British 'crimes'. At the same time ignoring all others' involvement and planning to 'punish' only the British and compensate those whose victimhood is at best suspect and whose own involvement is often overlooked. Slavery was commodity trading and has been such throughout human history and required those who took people and made slaves and those who traded in slaves which at the time was everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2024 7:31:04 GMT
You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. There's a problem though, a modern problem, the lefties you speak of tend to be quite selective when it come to racism. Indeed, thanks to DEI it's pretty difficult for anyone to be accused of racism, unless they're white and English. As for the 'climate crisis', many scientists are of the opinion there is no climate emergency, naturally they are shouted down by lefties (who are not scientists) as idiots and crackpots. It seems to be the modern trend or the, woke way... ' my feelings are far more important than yours, so agree with me or I will scream in your face'.The fact remains that the vast majority of scientists believe that the evidence strongly suggests that man-made climate change is a reality. The reason many of us believe in this is because we trust the scientists to know what they are talking about in their fields. Yet you and others like you choose not to believe this, citing only a few mavericks on the internet. Most sensible people believe climate change is a reality because most scientists more knowledgeable than us do. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 18, 2024 8:30:10 GMT
There's a problem though, a modern problem, the lefties you speak of tend to be quite selective when it come to racism. Indeed, thanks to DEI it's pretty difficult for anyone to be accused of racism, unless they're white and English. As for the 'climate crisis', many scientists are of the opinion there is no climate emergency, naturally they are shouted down by lefties (who are not scientists) as idiots and crackpots. It seems to be the modern trend or the, woke way... ' my feelings are far more important than yours, so agree with me or I will scream in your face'.The fact remains that the vast majority of scientists believe that the evidence strongly suggests that man-made climate change is a reality. The reason many of us believe in this is because we trust the scientists to know what they are talking about in their fields. Yet you and others like you choose not to believe this, citing only a few mavericks on the internet. Most sensible people believe climate change is a reality because most scientists more knowledgeable than us do. What is a reality is climate change, what is conjecture is how much effect we have on that process and there is no clear consensus on that in the scientific community. Even the IPCC are uncertain and rely on models that have been significantly wrong in the predictions they have made as regards many of the effects they expect to see. It is widely touted by many non-scientists that storms/hurricanes/cyclones are becoming worse yet the evidence is not there that this is the case and the IPCC themselves concur. Yet many publications and media outlets disseminate information that storms etc are worse and more frequent with not one iota of evidence to that effect. The narrative is not spread by scientists it is spread by non scientists who largely refuse to engage with those scientists who have a different take. The 'few mavericks' are ignored not because they are few in number but because they are not on message. If we are to follow 'the science' then we should also engage with the scientific method which means that any dissent or hard questions to the hypothesis should be able to be proven as wrong by the evidence for the hypothesis. This is unable to be undertaken and in time honoured tradition when one's hypothesis is challenged then it is best to challenge the questioner and their motives instead of proving the hypothesis. The climate change narrative may be many things but one thing is clear it is no longer science. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 18, 2024 10:07:41 GMT
Slavery sounds good to me, we pay illegals to listen to radio 2 in the day time, make them earn the incredible favour were doing them. Only socialists can do stuff like this, label illegal immigrants as illegal, then pay them to be illegal, then givethem the life of riley.
Its not slavery anyway, work for pay is normal. But not in britain.
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Post by see2 on Oct 18, 2024 10:26:05 GMT
You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. That's why they are known as easily led pillocks... By easily led pillocks. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 18, 2024 10:35:38 GMT
You are conflating the historic - slavery - with issues that are still current, eg racism and net zero. And shock horror, genuine left wingers do actually see racism and climate crisis as problems to be addressed. That does not mean that they do not indulge in virtue signalling - in fact it gives them more reign to be ever more virtuous. Take the lunatic Ed Miliband and his bizarre crusade to lead the world and to decarbonise the UK energy sector by 2030 - no matter how much it costs in money and jobs. Are you seriously trying to say that if he is successful it will have an impact on the climate crisis? Imagine how much worse the Chinese situation would be if they did not do so much to produce green energy? You make an unfair comparison anyway. " United Kingdom is about 39 times smaller than China. China is approximately 9,596,960 sq km, while United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, making United Kingdom 2.54% the size of China. Meanwhile, the population of China is ~1.4 billion people (1.3 billion fewer people live in United Kingdom). |
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Post by Orac on Oct 18, 2024 10:40:13 GMT
That does not mean that they do not indulge in virtue signalling - in fact it gives them more reign to be ever more virtuous. Take the lunatic Ed Miliband and his bizarre crusade to lead the world and to decarbonise the UK energy sector by 2030 - no matter how much it costs in money and jobs. Are you seriously trying to say that if he is successful it will have an impact on the climate crisis? Imagine how much worse the Chinese situation would be if they did not do so much to produce green energy? You make an unfair comparison anyway. " United Kingdom is about 39 times smaller than China. China is approximately 9,596,960 sq km, while United Kingdom is approximately 243,610 sq km, making United Kingdom 2.54% the size of China. Meanwhile, the population of China is ~1.4 billion people (1.3 billion fewer people live in United Kingdom).To me the point made by such a chart is not national bragging rights, but an illustration of how futile it is to hobble ourselves excessively to reduce our Co2 output. We only have a certain amount of control. How many pensioners are you going to allow to die of exposure, so that little blue line can go 1% lower? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 18, 2024 10:41:29 GMT
There's a problem though, a modern problem, the lefties you speak of tend to be quite selective when it come to racism. Indeed, thanks to DEI it's pretty difficult for anyone to be accused of racism, unless they're white and English. As for the 'climate crisis', many scientists are of the opinion there is no climate emergency, naturally they are shouted down by lefties (who are not scientists) as idiots and crackpots. It seems to be the modern trend or the, woke way... ' my feelings are far more important than yours, so agree with me or I will scream in your face'.The fact remains that the vast majority of scientists believe that the evidence strongly suggests that man-made climate change is a reality. The reason many of us believe in this is because we trust the scientists to know what they are talking about in their fields. Yet you and others like you choose not to believe this, citing only a few mavericks on the internet. Most sensible people believe climate change is a reality because most scientists more knowledgeable than us do. During a 'climate change' interview Rupert Darwall [Google] said "show me a climate scientist who believes we are in a climate crisis, and I'll show you one who doesn't", and he named them, he reeled them off, and he was rubbished. People who believe we are in a climate crisis instantly dismiss anyone who disagrees with them. But for the sake of argument lets imagine for a moment we are in a climate crisis. Other than kill the economy, make us all poorer and colder, and virtue signal to the rest of the world, what do you think the UK can do to avert it? The government could switch off UK Plc, we could go back to living in caves, and it would make not one jot of difference on a global level, we are simply too small to make a difference. However, China burns billions of tonnes of coal a year, and burns more every year. They need all this coal because China has 1,182 large 5&6 MW coal power plants and has promised to build no more than two new plants a month until 2031. China will overtake the US as the worlds biggest economy, because it's a coal fuelled economy. China are also building large coal power plants in at least six other countries including what's described as a 'mega' coal power station in South Africa. And I havent even got to Russia, India, Indonesia, Brazil etc etc. If eco mentalists really want to help the global environment and who knows, they might, they should demonstrate outside the Chinese Embassy. It wont do any good, but it may make them feel virtuous. |
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