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Post by jonksy on Oct 18, 2024 2:41:48 GMT
We have had driverless trains in Londons dockland for years Baron...
The DLR has been operating driverless trains since it opened in 1987. The trains are automated and have no cabs, but there is a small driver's console behind a locked panel at each end of the train.
Some BR executive type was explaining you would never manage it on the London Underground because the system of tracks they have is fucked. It's so old and antiquated that automating it is out of the question and would cause more trouble than it solved. I think one reason was to do with the tunnels being too narrow if a train broke down. China on the other hand has built all this up from nothing in the last couple of decades. It went from virtually no trains to tracks all over China, even in the most remote northern regions. But that is the result of starting from scratch. Britian once led the world with using railways...There are still British steam engines being used on India's heritage lines at the present day...
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 18, 2024 5:39:26 GMT
It's difficult not to view flying cars as a solution in search of a problem, especially in crowded Western Europe and the parts of China where most of the people live. Perhaps out in the wilds of Wyoming someone with money to burn might invent a need for one, but apart from that it's hard to see who would.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 10:34:18 GMT
It's difficult not to view flying cars as a solution in search of a problem, especially in crowded Western Europe and the parts of China where most of the people live. Perhaps out in the wilds of Wyoming someone with money to burn might invent a need for one, but apart from that it's hard to see who would. I don't have the difficulty you have. Roads are expensive and you don't have to fill in the potholes in space.
Here's another solution. This holds the world's EVtol range at 150 miles. It's German (well done Germans!).
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2024 10:55:58 GMT
That wouldn't be legal in the West due to its inability to have a controlled landing after engine failure.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 11:15:24 GMT
That wouldn't be legal in the West due to its inability to have a controlled landing after engine failure. Well it does not have an engine. It has several motors and as I have already explained on here there is redundancy built in. That particular craft is a prototype so it is not trying to conform to the laws. It's trying to establish how well these things work and how safe they are. In addition the Xpeng has a parachute which can be fired at very low altitudes. This is because the Xpeng is a commercial model.
All the Brits do is complain things are not perfect. We won't do any of this innovation. We will still be stuck up our own arses with laws we treat as the new religion. Have you ever seen a parliament and know what one does?
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Post by besoeker3 on Oct 18, 2024 12:10:33 GMT
That wouldn't be legal in the West due to its inability to have a controlled landing after engine failure. Well it does not have an engine. It has several motors and as I have already explained on here there is redundancy built in. That particular craft is a prototype so it is not trying to conform to the laws. It's trying to establish how well these things work and how safe they are. In addition the Xpeng has a parachute which can be fired at very low altitudes. This is because the Xpeng is a commercial model.
All the Brits do is complain things are not perfect. We won't do any of this innovation. We will still be stuck up our own arses with laws we treat as the new religion. Have you ever seen a parliament and know what one does?
So you are a Brit - so you complain ?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 12:13:40 GMT
Well it does not have an engine. It has several motors and as I have already explained on here there is redundancy built in. That particular craft is a prototype so it is not trying to conform to the laws. It's trying to establish how well these things work and how safe they are. In addition the Xpeng has a parachute which can be fired at very low altitudes. This is because the Xpeng is a commercial model.
All the Brits do is complain things are not perfect. We won't do any of this innovation. We will still be stuck up our own arses with laws we treat as the new religion. Have you ever seen a parliament and know what one does?
So you are a Brit - so you complain ? Sure, but that was meant in the collective sense. You should know me by now. I'm often accused of being a nonconformist.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 12:39:26 GMT
Some BR executive type was explaining you would never manage it on the London Underground because the system of tracks they have is fucked. It's so old and antiquated that automating it is out of the question and would cause more trouble than it solved. I think one reason was to do with the tunnels being too narrow if a train broke down. China on the other hand has built all this up from nothing in the last couple of decades. It went from virtually no trains to tracks all over China, even in the most remote northern regions. But that is the result of starting from scratch. Britian once led the world with using railways...There are still British steam engines being used on India's heritage lines at the present day... There are some wonderful home videos of Hong Kong in the 1970s. I remember one which showed the harbour and all the ships in and out. the Western ships were modern and the Chinese were cruising around in those junk ships. In those days the Chinese were very traditional and did things as they had always done. All of that has gone now. Back in 1860 the British warships blew them out of the water. It was no match. The scenes were very ugly as we were using our military power to bully then into submission.
So one looks at China today and what CPC professors often say is China is going through their industrial revolution now. They are doing what we did in the mid 19c but without all the nasty hostility. In China everywhere you look there is this excitement about technology. If you go back to the time in Britain when they were building those railways, like the London to Manchester line, they built them mostly with their own hands, like very labour intensive, but they built them much faster than we build things today. The public were 100% behind all this new tech. Railway became fashionable. We went on to build railways all over India and many other places around the world. Some are still running today. However now China is turning up and replacing this 100 year old tech with high speed rail. So what we see is the Chinese do what we once did and we are now doing what the Chinese once did with our olde worlde museum pubs with their authentic medieval looks and benches carved from mighty oak trees, fit for your Knights Templar.
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Post by besoeker3 on Oct 18, 2024 16:10:40 GMT
But that is the result of starting from scratch. Britian once led the world with using railways...There are still British steam engines being used on India's heritage lines at the present day... There are some wonderful home videos of Hong Kong in the 1970s. I remember one which showed the harbour and all the ships in and out. the Western ships were modern and the Chinese were cruising around in those junk ships. In those days the Chinese were very traditional and did things as they had always done. All of that has gone now. Back in 1860 the British warships blew them out of the water. It was no match. The scenes were very ugly as we were using our military power to bully then into submission.
So one looks at China today and what CPC professors often say is China is going through their industrial revolution now. They are doing what we did in the mid 19c but without all the nasty hostility. In China everywhere you look there is this excitement about technology. If you go back to the time in Britain when they were building those railways, like the London to Manchester line, they built them mostly with their own hands, like very labour intensive, but they built them much faster than we build things today. The public were 100% behind all this new tech. Railway became fashionable. We went on to build railways all over India and many other places around the world. Some are still running today. However now China is turning up and replacing this 100 year old tech with high speed rail. So what we see is the Chinese do what we once did and we are now doing what the Chinese once did with our olde worlde museum pubs with their authentic medieval looks and benches carved from mighty oak trees, fit for your Knights Templar.
Go to China and see what it is really like...........
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2024 17:06:48 GMT
That wouldn't be legal in the West due to its inability to have a controlled landing after engine failure. Well it does not have an engine. It has several motors and as I have already explained on here there is redundancy built in. That particular craft is a prototype so it is not trying to conform to the laws. It's trying to establish how well these things work and how safe they are. In addition the Xpeng has a parachute which can be fired at very low altitudes. This is because the Xpeng is a commercial model.
All the Brits do is complain things are not perfect. We won't do any of this innovation. We will still be stuck up our own arses with laws we treat as the new religion. Have you ever seen a parliament and know what one does?
I dont care whether it is perfect or not - I'm simply pointing out that in the Developed world that design is not legal.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 20:03:43 GMT
Well it does not have an engine. It has several motors and as I have already explained on here there is redundancy built in. That particular craft is a prototype so it is not trying to conform to the laws. It's trying to establish how well these things work and how safe they are. In addition the Xpeng has a parachute which can be fired at very low altitudes. This is because the Xpeng is a commercial model.
All the Brits do is complain things are not perfect. We won't do any of this innovation. We will still be stuck up our own arses with laws we treat as the new religion. Have you ever seen a parliament and know what one does?
I dont care whether it is perfect or not - I'm simply pointing out that in the Developed world that design is not legal. Yes well today I learnt your legal F35s are dropping out the sky. The electrical generator is failing on them, so all the electrics shut down without warning. The problem has got worse since they stopped using Chinese parts.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 20:33:56 GMT
You realise this could become mass transport? A road has one dimension. A sky has three. Flying is not a high energy way to travel. Take a 4 seater light aircraft of the conventional type. Even one from the 70s will give you 30mpg. It's about the same as a car of the same period, except just by adding one more dimension compared to a road means you can fly as the crow does and so journeys are shorter. I believe the way to do this is us similar software that is being used for driverless cars, as in collision avoidance and 3D LIDAR scanning so it knows what is around it. Furthermore we will want to organise the sky as a 3D version of a road system, e.g. acceleration lanes, slow lanes faster lanes, junctions, give way signs. These things will be virtual though and simply exist in the memory of the computers.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 18, 2024 21:13:12 GMT
I dont care whether it is perfect or not - I'm simply pointing out that in the Developed world that design is not legal. Yes well today I learnt your legal F35s are dropping out the sky. The electrical generator is failing on them, so all the electrics shut down without warning. The problem has got worse since they stopped using Chinese parts. LOL - if you believe that abject nonsense I have a bridge to sell you.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 18, 2024 21:14:44 GMT
You realise this could become mass transport? A road has one dimension. A sky has three. Flying is not a high energy way to travel. Take a 4 seater light aircraft of the conventional type. Even one from the 70s will give you 30mpg. ... I used to fly just such a craft, a Piper Cherokee with a 180hp Lycoming engine, probably the most ubiquitous general aviation aircraft along with the Cessna 172..
There is no way a PA-28 would give you 30 mpg. Even at economy cruise (65% power) you would be lucky to see even half that. If you go to performance cruise, consumption would rise accordingly.
You really ought to do a little fact-checking before making such outrageous claims. Piper and Cessna pilot handbooks are easily accessible online.
As for travelling in a straight line 'as the crow flies' that also needs to taken with a pinch of salt. If you are in the aforementioned wilds of Wyoming or Inner Mongolia that might conceivably be the the case, but in most areas there are all kinds of controlled airspace that as a private pilot you would be wise to steer clear of. When, for instance, I needed to fly from the South Bay to Mendocino County it wasn't a simple matter of flying across the San Francisco TCA. I would have to either give it a wide berth or fly so low close-in (200 ft) that it became a dangerous exercise.
It would be just the same driving your flying car from say Oxfordshire to the Lake District.
You simply don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 18, 2024 22:09:14 GMT
Yes well today I learnt your legal F35s are dropping out the sky. The electrical generator is failing on them, so all the electrics shut down without warning. The problem has got worse since they stopped using Chinese parts. LOL - if you believe that abject nonsense I have a bridge to sell you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWyB05ZTaHw
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