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Post by Rebirth on Oct 15, 2024 13:51:32 GMT
He was, as barking as he is, he was more popular than stark raving mad Starmer. Corbyn was worst of a worst lot. Starmer is best of a worst lot. That's what enabled many Tories to move across. Corbyn was the most honest of the lot. Starmer is lying corrupt money grabbing dogshit. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2024 14:12:34 GMT
Corbyn was worst of a worst lot. Starmer is best of a worst lot. That's what enabled many Tories to move across. Corbyn was the most honest of the lot. Starmer is lying corrupt money grabbing dogshit. I agree, that was probably his downfall, he was honest. I didn't agree with him, in many respects he was barking but unlike Starmer he did seem to be honest. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 14:23:26 GMT
not necessarily Andrew. You are conflating two things here , improvement in services like the nhs , which everyone wants, and then misleading yourself into believing everyone wants to pay more for it , they dont. I posted polls to that affect over the weekend to witch finder. Under the last tory regime , we were being told taxes had risen to the highest level in the uk since the end of the Second World War. How much further do you think they should go? I personally dont trust labour to spend money wisely based on their inglorious track record . Of course I didn't say that everyone wants to pay more, but many do support this. This research is from 2022, so a couple of years old, but demonstrates the point that I am making. natcen.ac.uk/news/majority-britain-back-more-tax-more-spendHere is a poll done in march this year , specifically asking if people think taxes should be increased to fund nhs spending.  56 % of the public polled said no. So when you say "many" do , what you really mean is a minority do. in your own poll linked from 2 years ago , while 52 % at the time said the government should tax more to spend on the nhs and other things , its interesting to see the caveat underneath where 49% of those polled thought the government should redistribute wealth from the better off to those less we all off proving my point to a degree about people always wanting the best of both worlds, but never themselves wanting to pay for it. It's always tax the rich , but dont tax me!!! |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 14:29:34 GMT
Reform UK are "within reach" of taking the lead in a national poll as Nigel Farage's populist party cut Labour’s lead to just six per cent in a shock opinion.
The Party just needs two points from Labour and the Tories to draw level.
The change marks a huge change since July 4, with Labour down by seven-points and the Conservatives up by around three per cent.
According to the More in Common’s poll, Labour ended up level with the Tory Party on 27 per cent.
While Reform UK has soared to 21 per cent.
Former Ukip donor, Arron Banks shared the results on social media and said: "Leading a national poll is within reach for Reform".
www.gbnews.com/politics/politics-latest-reform-uk-polls-labour-conservatives-update Incredible isn't it. Reform UK are just three years old and even though Labour have just won a 'landslide' election victory, Reform are polling 21%, remarkable. No doubt Reform UK's success will have an impact on the Tory vote, but I think Labour advisors will be very aware that voters, both Labour and Tory, are concerned about immigration and that's the reason they're turning to Reform UK. how many years have I been saying that what happened in scotland regarding the big main two parties could easily happen in england .I think we have reached that point. Looks like the English , like us , have had just about enough of labour and conservative. Reform will take many seats of labour , have no doubt , at last poll at least 23 seats. after 5 years of this shitshow? I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see labour and tory down to their worst ever seat numbers in modern history. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 14:38:10 GMT
He was, as barking as he is, he was more popular than stark raving mad Starmer. . That's what enabled many Tories to move across. eh? labour picked up barely ten per cent of people who voted tory in 2019. almost as many tory 2019 voters switched to the liberals , while more than double went to reform uk. Labour didnt fall into place because they wooed 2019 tory voters . Lets not forget how many 2017 labour voters deserted labour because of starmers anti brexit stance which forced corbyns hand in the 2019 election. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election To summarise , the idea politics across the uk is back to the bad old two party days , with voters simply switching allegiance from tory to labour is of course cloud cuckoo land. uk politics continues to fragment at pace .  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2024 14:39:47 GMT
how many years have I been saying that what happened in scotland regarding the big main two parties could easily happen in england .I think we have reached that point. Looks like the English , like us , have had just about enough of labour and conservative. Reform will take many seats of labour , have no doubt , at last poll at least 23 seats. after 5 years of this shitshow? I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see labour and tory down to their worst ever seat numbers in modern history. Yes indeed, this could well be the tipping point. Continued mass immigration and a pro immigrant Labour government is exactly what Farage and Reform UK need. In-fact, Farage doesn't have to do anything, Labour are doing it for him, if only they could see it. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 15, 2024 14:47:43 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. Yes, well put and pretty obvious. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 14:48:22 GMT
how many years have I been saying that what happened in scotland regarding the big main two parties could easily happen in england .I think we have reached that point. Looks like the English , like us , have had just about enough of labour and conservative. Reform will take many seats of labour , have no doubt , at last poll at least 23 seats. after 5 years of this shitshow? I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see labour and tory down to their worst ever seat numbers in modern history. Yes indeed, this could well be the tipping point. Continued mass immigration and a pro immigrant Labour government is exactly what Farage and Reform UK need. In-fact, Farage doesn't have to do anything, Labour are doing it for him, if only they could see it. exactly this is what happened in scotland. Labour thought they were untouchable , and scotland their fiefdom ,and bang , next minute they were out on their arse between 2007 , and 2015. We saw the same attitude prior to the 2019 general election , where they thought they were untouchable in the old red wall seats in england , same thing happened. We have two thirds of the total electorate not voting labour or conservative , on one of the lowest turnouts in history , and labour are deluded that somehow they "won" an election instead of falling into place and are somehow popular. It's mental listening to these people. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 14:49:17 GMT
If people wanted tax cuts, they would have voted Tory. They didn't, they voted for improvement of public services instead. Whether Labour’s policies work or not remains to be seen. Yes, well put and pretty obvious. read the thread. It's been addressed by myself pacifico and others . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 15, 2024 14:50:20 GMT
Here is a poll done in march this year , specifically asking if people think taxes should be increased to fund nhs spending. 56 % of the public polled said no. So when you say "many" do , what you really mean is a minority do. in your own poll linked from 2 years ago , while 52 % at the time said the government should tax more to spend on the nhs and other things , its interesting to see the caveat underneath where 49% of those polled thought the government should redistribute wealth from the better off to those less we all off proving my point to a degree about people always wanting the best of both worlds, but never themselves wanting to pay for it. It's always tax the rich , but dont tax me!!! I don't disagree with anything you've said there, other than I'd argue that 40% is many, even if it isn't a majority (which I didn't state). |
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Post by see2 on Oct 15, 2024 14:53:35 GMT
Even if you can get rid of labour, the problem they represent will continue. There is a gigantic institutional wall set in place to stop anything at all being done to help the UK public in the domains that concern them. It may get to the point where a genuinely well intentioned government is elected in a massive landslide and they still can't do anything and make a declaration to that effect Ie "your elected government can no longer be said to be governing the country" The swamp... That's ^^ where the school of Rightist nonsense is learnt. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 15, 2024 14:55:50 GMT
Corbyn was worst of a worst lot. Starmer is best of a worst lot. That's what enabled many Tories to move across. Corbyn was the most honest of the lot. Starmer is lying corrupt money grabbing dogshit.Just another piece of Rightist (Dark Legend) gob-shit. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 15, 2024 14:59:26 GMT
That's ^^ where the school of Rightist nonsense is learnt. LOLS "the school of rightist nonsense", honestly you do make me laugh. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 15, 2024 15:00:28 GMT
. That's what enabled many Tories to move across. eh? labour picked up barely ten per cent of people who voted tory in 2019. almost as many tory 2019 voters switched to the liberals , while more than double went to reform uk. Labour didnt fall into place because they wooed 2019 tory voters . Lets not forget how many 2017 labour voters deserted labour because of starmers anti brexit stance which forced corbyns hand in the 2019 election. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election It would be easier on readers of you just paid a visit to Specsavers LOL |
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Post by thomas on Oct 15, 2024 15:03:00 GMT
eh? labour picked up barely ten per cent of people who voted tory in 2019. almost as many tory 2019 voters switched to the liberals , while more than double went to reform uk. Labour didnt fall into place because they wooed 2019 tory voters . Lets not forget how many 2017 labour voters deserted labour because of starmers anti brexit stance which forced corbyns hand in the 2019 election. yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/49978-how-britain-voted-in-the-2024-general-election It would be easier on readers of you just paid a visit to Specsavers LOL I was addressing that word many again. Help us out though see 2. Using easy words for us to understand , and avoiding your usual low calorie soundbites and piss poor one liners , what are you gibbering about now? |
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