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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 21:12:31 GMT
You can't have your mobile with you if someone needs to contact you urgently. You have to find a cash machine to get money. You must take actions to hide your internet identity. ZG, I'm not an addict. I know people who panic if they lose sight of their mobile phone, it's in their hand or pocket 24/7, they sleep with it. Is this you ZG? I don't want 24/7 'connectivity', I don't want to be contactable 24/7. People who I want to be contacted by, know how to contact me. I don't need to live with a mobile tracker in my pocket or under my pillow, and I never will. My mobile is currently in the car. By the time I next use the car the mobile battery will have expired. Wherever my mobile is it is never turned on unless I'm making a call due to a breakdown or phioning Mrs. T; on either occasion I may leave it on to take a return call. A £10 voucher will last me months and in some cases I have to sit at my desk and phone my home number, otherwise after a certain unused period the voucher will expire. I lived for nearly 70 years without a mobile, why do I desaperately need one now? |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 15, 2022 21:15:39 GMT
So you do have a different definition of fair play that encompasses extra advantage for some and disadvantage for others. As I said fair play means equality before the law for each and every individual and equal opportunity in law. These principles are actually what is contained in the UN declaration of Human Rights. Why would you wish to differ from that? What is help for the weak? Are you invoking 'from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. What's a different definition of fair play? Different to who's? Yours? Gods? I already explained why some have to lose and some gain in fair play. I will not dance with you for pages and pages. The UN declaration of human rights also encompass the right to equal opportunity. This right was denied to some for many years and the government is acting to redress this failure of the human rights. Be careful when you cherry pick bits of the human rights act. Yes from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. But that is not human rights so much as how civilisation lasts. Try taking a look at countries (Mexico for instance) where they don't look after their poor and you are freer to make your wealth as you choose. You might call that civilisation but I know which civilisation I prefer. Mines the one where the wealthy don't have to travel with armed guards or pay ransoms to get their children back. You wonder why the drugs gangs are flourishing in this country? You think its due to skin colour? No its because its easy to recruit from people who have nothing to lose. Different to the UN HR declaration which is what I said. In fair play there are no winners and losers there is not discrimination based on any aspect of any individual other that his ability. We make special allowance, and should, for disabled as that could apply at any time to any one of us. In human rights terms that is a contract between the government and every citizen. I am not bound to give anyone their human rights and those I do have to meet are only those as required by law. I cannot discriminate etc etc but I do not have to provide a right to a family life. The right to equal opportunity may have been traduced by UK individuals but it was not as per government instruction and it was not part of UK law. Civilisation exists in a state of difference. If we provide for all some will only take, if we provide for no one some will acquire all. It is always a balance but 'fair play' is specifically as regards individuals and not as regards racial, gender, sexual orientation etc groups. If some people have not had equal opportunity what you do not do is remove that equal opportunity from others. You perpetuate the anger you just transfer it to a different group. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 21:35:59 GMT
My mobile is currently in the car. By the time I next use the car the mobile battery will have expired. Wherever my mobile is it is never turned on unless I'm making a call due to a breakdown or phioning Mrs. T; on either occasion I may leave it on to take a return call. A £10 voucher will last me months and in some cases I have to sit at my desk and phone my home number, otherwise after a certain unused period the voucher will expire. I lived for nearly 70 years without a mobile, why do I desaperately need one now? Well said, I so agree. Mobile trackers are not 'necessary' but thanks to sleek looks and clever advertising most people think they're missing out if they don't have one, indeed people today think they cant live without one. Tbh, I quite enjoy the look on peoples faces when they ask for my mobile number and I say I havent got one. Initially they look at me as if to say, you're joking right? Then as they realise I'm serious the look changes to one of confusion, and I know the look. I will often say - am I the first person you have ever heard say that? The response is often a look of wide eyed and open mouthed astonishment, they cant believe someone actually doesn't carry a hand held tracker. This is where we are. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 22:07:39 GMT
You can't have your mobile with you if someone needs to contact you urgently. You have to find a cash machine to get money. You must take actions to hide your internet identity. ZG, I'm not an addict. I know people who panic if they lose sight of their mobile phone, it's in their hand or pocket 24/7, they sleep with it. Is this you ZG? I don't want 24/7 'connectivity', I don't want to be contactable 24/7. People who I want to be contacted by, know how to contact me. I don't need to live with a mobile tracker in my pocket or under my pillow, and I never will. Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:13:14 GMT
ZG, I'm not an addict. I know people who panic if they lose sight of their mobile phone, it's in their hand or pocket 24/7, they sleep with it. Is this you ZG? I don't want 24/7 'connectivity', I don't want to be contactable 24/7. People who I want to be contacted by, know how to contact me. I don't need to live with a mobile tracker in my pocket or under my pillow, and I never will. Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. lol.... laughing at the guy who complains about posters being rude. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 22:23:57 GMT
The word apartheid is just a word. Some of its restrictions were removed under global pressure, many were not. And? Further the wealth gap it had already created was never addressed. They were and are significantly poorer than the rich in South Africa. They rest of Africa varies significantly and is immaterial as each has its own history assets etc. In some ways the peaceful transfer did less good for the losers than would have a revolution which would have at least moved the money around a bit. Do you suppose I don't know what happened in Zimbabwe? This scenario has literally nothing to do with what I described. We are not talking about two separate societies but those sharing the same society. The people not having the wheel very soon have them. But your analogy is ridiculous as it involves equal numbers from two societies suddenly mixing. Reality is that a minority from the wheel less society join the wheeled society and quickly adapt. Merely favouring those who were deliberately blocked from certain jobs to equal things up. I came to a conclusion that it was unfair. I'm not doing it and I don't have to salve my conscience, stop telling me what I think. White people being wiped out. Oh grow up. Over exaggeration of my position seems to be your fall back position. People like you can be unpredictable what happens when you convince yourself white people are being wiped out? Right wing terrorism is now the second largest terrorist threat on the planet. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 22:25:04 GMT
Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. lol.... laughing at the guy who complains about posters being rude. I'm talking to Red not you. Red likes to speak this way its an army thing. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 22:37:37 GMT
Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. I don't quite follow, " anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite"?
Of course you find your 'phone' handy, but it's not just a phone is it. Mobile phones were 'phones' 20 years ago. Today the ability to make a phone call is way down the list of must have attractions and apps that the average hand held tracker offers the gullible. It's a device that people through clever design and advertising have been conned into believing they need. OK, perhaps you personally don't need it, but I have to say ZG, I have known a couple of people who had their trackers on them 24/7, I'm not sure how they showered, and although they insisted they didn't need them, when they lost or misplaced them there was absolute panic. They were like junkies who were desperate for a hit, they couldn't live without their hand held device. It had to be found at any cost, and they were found. One in the pub the following day. And the relief was palpable, he was on the verge of tears he almost hugged it. And people tell me they are not addicted to their hand held trackers, lol. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 22:40:14 GMT
lol.... laughing at the guy who complains about posters being rude. I'm talking to Red not you. Red likes to speak this way its an army thing. How very dare you, I'm quite sensitive, stop picking on me you bully. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:41:17 GMT
Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. I don't quite follow, " anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite"?
Of course you find your 'phone' handy, but it's not just a phone is it. Mobile phones were 'phones' 20 years ago. Today the ability to make a phone call is way down the list of must have attractions and apps that the average hand held tracker offers the gullible. It's a device that people through clever design and advertising have been conned into believing they need. OK, perhaps you personally don't need it, but I have to say ZG, I have known a couple of people who had their trackers on them 24/7, I'm not sure how they showered, and although they insisted they didn't need them, when they lost or misplaced them there was absolute panic. They were like junkies who were desperate for a hit, they couldn't live without their hand held device. It had to be found at any cost, and they were found. One in the pub the following day. And the relief was palpable, he was on the verge of tears he almost hugged it. And people tell me they are not addicted to their hand held trackers, lol. They even walk into lamposts. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 22:43:51 GMT
They even walk into lamposts. LOL, I know, it's hilarious. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:45:10 GMT
They even walk into lamposts. LOL, I know, it's hilarious. Sometimes I think that's happened to Zany and he's never recovered. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 16, 2022 7:00:02 GMT
Why is it that anyone who isn't you has to be the absolute opposite Red? You make such fucking stupid arguments that way. No I don't sleep with my phone, but I do find it handy to have with me during the day. So how do people you want to contact you do so when you are not in the house? I never said you had to carry your mobile phone I just said you choose to live at a disadvantage for no reason beyond your own paranoia. That if I don't avoid my phone like a spy, I must instead be a slave to it.
Yes. I can keep up with my business, my emails, answer questions and deal with issues, order things, all without having to return home. Like the car. I know those type of people as well. Especially the ones who have to photograph or video every tiny part of their lives and then share it with you. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 16, 2022 7:56:52 GMT
We'll end up like South Africa with the whites living in gated communities with armed guards - while the blacks live outside in a Mad Max world. Possibly, if we keep on making the rich richer and the poor poorer. You do realise that is the problem in South Africa, not the colour of peoples skin? Says who? I didn't make any assumptions on "why" the situation in SA is the way it is - I just pointed out a generalised fact. In the example I gave (of the village/town that I live in with virtually zero crime except that coming from outside) there are also very wide variations in how well off people are. There are multi-million houses and there are "affordable" houses and there are the very rich and the very poor. They still don't commit crime. I'm afraid this old chestnut that crime is caused by poverty has been widely discredited. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 16, 2022 11:29:03 GMT
They rest of Africa varies significantly and is immaterial as each has its own history assets etc. You talk about some broadly added burden often, but rarely seem able to point to it. The people not having the wheel very soon have them. But your analogy is ridiculous as it involves equal numbers from two societies suddenly mixing. Reality is that a minority from the wheel less society join the wheeled society and quickly adapt. But my point is that such a society has a broad range of inadequacies when compared to (say) a European nation. No industrialisation, no established bussiness, no established bussiness class, no established managerial class, no technical class, no military class that means squat. These are things that can take centuries to build up and are not just artefacts or technologies - they are intergenerational societal institutions and ways of thinking that allow society to function at a high level. The wheel was only used as an example to show how profound this gap is. You perform the magic trick of calculating that, because one of these groups seem to be at a 'disadvantage', some form of crime must be being committed by the high functioning society sharing territory. You calculate that the disadvantage is a contrivance created by the functioning society, rather than a function of its relative advantages. You have even taken things a significant step further into lunacy - having reached your absurd, over-extended conclusion, you then decide to take it upon yourself to exact various forms race revenge and 'race correction' on the members of your target society, whose only crime, as far as I can see, is being in the vicinity of your supposed victims. |
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