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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 18:10:32 GMT
Purely on the subject of hand trackers Red. You are the guy who posted his photo on a forum. Do you think google doesn't know your IP address and doesn't have face recognition. So now they have your face and your address and probably a whole host of other info about you. If you have any sort of mobile they know the Ip address registered on it and can track you from mast to mast cctv to cctv. You think you are cleverly avoiding them but you're not even close. ZG, I'm no IT genius, If I can change or hide my IP address I wouldn't have thought it was too arduous a task for other people. I am occasionally asked to confirm my IP address because someone is having difficulty pinning me down. I do surveys for an on line polling company, without thinking I gave them my correct post code, but it doesn't match my IP address. So they regularly ask me to confirm my post code or IP address. Of course I'm not going to. As for mobile phones, I don't own a smart phone. I do own a basic mobile phone although I cant remember the last time I used it and I never take it out of the house. Having just checked, it's in my 'man drawer' it's switched off and is as usual as flat as a witches tit. I am aware it's difficult these days not to leave an electronic or digital trace of your movements, that's largely due to third parties, or that every key stroke on your 'device' is recorded. But I do what I can to reduce my electronic or digital footprint. Imo, everyone should do the same. Although, it's probably too late for most people. You can hide you Ip address from others but not the gate keepers, they issued you with the Ip address in the first place. Google sees you. If you don't use a mobile out of your home you may not be seen out and about but the phone masts know your home. Every time you use a credit or debit card or go on the internet you are seen. And the point of all this secrecy? One man not showing up when millions do, you tell me what you gain Red. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 18:23:53 GMT
Once again you drift back into history and by doing so somewhat miss the point. I am referring to current day South Africa. The yoke was not removed, that's the point. Apartheid was finally removed, but the wealth and privilege has not changed one bit. Interestingly a few more black men also gained wealth and privilege but that just proves its not about colour its about fairness. Ask the rich if they'd rather be rich in the UK or South Africa, despite the higher demands upon them in the UK. Those claiming that immigration is the cause of Britons ills are looking at it being about the immigrants rather than the wealth divide. I regularly talk about wealthism. Racism is just another unfairness I talk about. Unfortunately there a still a number of white people who don't like people with darker skin for all sorts of imaginary reasons and historically (recent history) blocked jobs to them on this basis. They then (As do you) use the disadvantage they put these people at as evidence of them being lesser beings and undesirable in our society. Making things fair always involves those with more losing some of it to those with less. It just so happens that the colours are as you describe. Shame to see you have to fall back on this tired old argument. That those opposing unfairness in their society should give up everything they have as if this would somehow fix the problems. No, those opposing the unfairness should use their power to correct that issue across society and that is what we are doing. And calling us Woke doesn't stop us for a second. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 15, 2022 18:28:33 GMT
Lots of societies have existed and I cannot think of one example that encompassed fair play as a societal necessity. Many said they were being fair but were very unfair and became even more so. Fair to my mind means every individual is treated equally in law and has equal opportunity in law. Perhaps it means something else to you, it certainly seems to. Are you serious? I cannot think of a single respected society that does not encompass fair play. All have laws that prevent exploitation, help for the weak. Fair play does not mean pure equality and no system is perfect. What we do know is the ones that do not strive for fair play falter or fail. So yes equal opportunity plays a part, but it is not the whole by any means. So you do have a different definition of fair play that encompasses extra advantage for some and disadvantage for others. As I said fair play means equality before the law for each and every individual and equal opportunity in law. These principles are actually what is contained in the UN declaration of Human Rights. Why would you wish to differ from that? What is help for the weak? Are you invoking 'from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 18:42:18 GMT
Are you serious? I cannot think of a single respected society that does not encompass fair play. All have laws that prevent exploitation, help for the weak. Fair play does not mean pure equality and no system is perfect. What we do know is the ones that do not strive for fair play falter or fail. So yes equal opportunity plays a part, but it is not the whole by any means. So you do have a different definition of fair play that encompasses extra advantage for some and disadvantage for others. As I said fair play means equality before the law for each and every individual and equal opportunity in law. These principles are actually what is contained in the UN declaration of Human Rights. Why would you wish to differ from that? What is help for the weak? Are you invoking 'from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. What's a different definition of fair play? Different to who's? Yours? Gods? I already explained why some have to lose and some gain in fair play. I will not dance with you for pages and pages. The UN declaration of human rights also encompass the right to equal opportunity. This right was denied to some for many years and the government is acting to redress this failure of the human rights. Be careful when you cherry pick bits of the human rights act. Yes from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs'. But that is not human rights so much as how civilisation lasts. Try taking a look at countries (Mexico for instance) where they don't look after their poor and you are freer to make your wealth as you choose. You might call that civilisation but I know which civilisation I prefer. Mines the one where the wealthy don't have to travel with armed guards or pay ransoms to get their children back. You wonder why the drugs gangs are flourishing in this country? You think its due to skin colour? No its because its easy to recruit from people who have nothing to lose. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 18:48:45 GMT
You can hide you Ip address from others but not the gate keepers, they issued you with the Ip address in the first place. Google sees you. If you don't use a mobile out of your home you may not be seen out and about but the phone masts know your home. Every time you use a credit or debit card or go on the internet you are seen. And the point of all this secrecy? One man not showing up when millions do, you tell me what you gain Red. I'm not going to say much more about this, but I will say: I've made my thoughts on debit/credit cards clear in previous threads. I use 'plastic' as little as possible because it leaves a very accurate record of my movements and habits. My bank will know I draw an amount of cash from an ATM, they will know the time date and location of that ATM withdrawal, then the trail goes dead. If I used plastic, my bank would have a very precise record of my movements - where I go, how much I spend at a certain location or venue, what date and time I was there, where I went next etc etc. You may say so what and that's fair enough. Personally, I prefer not to be tracked or my movements recorded. As I said, it's difficult to be anonymous, but it's not difficult to take reasonable steps to protect your privacy. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 18:52:38 GMT
You can hide you Ip address from others but not the gate keepers, they issued you with the Ip address in the first place. Google sees you. If you don't use a mobile out of your home you may not be seen out and about but the phone masts know your home. Every time you use a credit or debit card or go on the internet you are seen. And the point of all this secrecy? One man not showing up when millions do, you tell me what you gain Red. I'm not going to say much more about this, but I will say: I've made my thoughts on debit/credit cards clear in previous threads. I use 'plastic' as little as possible because it leaves a very accurate record of my movements and habits. My bank will know I draw an amount of cash from an ATM, they will know the time date and location of that ATM withdrawal, then the trail goes dead. If I used plastic, my bank would have a very precise record of my movements - where I go, how much I spend at a certain location or venue, what date and time I was there, where I went next etc etc. You may say so what and that's fair enough. Personally, I prefer not to be tracked or my movements recorded. As I said, it's difficult to be anonymous, but it's not difficult to take reasonable steps to protect your privacy. That's your choice Red. To put yourself at disadvantage to become semi visible. I'm pretty sure if the men in black wanted you they could find you. But if it assuages your paranoia you are harming no one, so carry on. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 18:59:46 GMT
The yoke was not removed, that's the point. Apartheid was finally removed, but the wealth and privilege has not changed one bit. That's an intriguing statement - so the disadvantage black people were at, had little to do with apartheid? Ie - take the apartheid away and you still have a difficult situation where 'black people are at a disadvantage'. I will expand on this in the response to you next comment They then (As do you) use the disadvantage they put these people at as evidence of them being lesser beings and undesirable in our society. This seems to be a huge category error. If you are part of a society that is struggling to develop the wheel and, in the neighbouring continent, people are sipping refrigerated drinks in railway carriages, then you are at a disadvantage. These other people didn't put you at that disadvantage, the disadvantage is in your situation. You make it sound like white people are the game-masters that built the universe and they made sure the design included Africa not having enough steam locomotives, refrigerators and rifles to keep up with the Europeans. What a daft world view you have. No, those opposing the unfairness should use their power to correct that issue across society and that is what we are doing. And calling us Woke doesn't stop us for a second. It sounds like to me like you are prepared to escalate your race war to any level and i think history tells us that in due time you will likely be met with similar / mirrored response. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 19:05:15 GMT
That's your choice Red. To put yourself at disadvantage to become semi visible. I'm pretty sure if the men in black wanted you they could find you. But if it assuages your paranoia you are harming no one, so carry on. How am I disadvantaged? How does hiding my IP address, or not using a mobile phone, or not using plastic, 'disadvantage' me? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 19:11:44 GMT
The yoke was not removed, that's the point. Apartheid was finally removed, but the wealth and privilege has not changed one bit. The word apartheid is just a word. Some of its restrictions were removed under global pressure, many were not. Further the wealth gap it had already created was never addressed. In some ways the peaceful transfer did less good for the losers than would have a revolution which would have at least moved the money around a bit. They then (As do you) use the disadvantage they put these people at as evidence of them being lesser beings and undesirable in our society. This scenario has literally nothing to do with what I described. We are not talking about two separate societies but those sharing the same society. No, those opposing the unfairness should use their power to correct that issue across society and that is what we are doing. And calling us Woke doesn't stop us for a second. No, I don't think I am considering white slaves or mass killing in the name of equality. Merely favouring those who were deliberately blocked from certain jobs to equal things up. Over exaggeration of my position seems to be your fall back position. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 19:13:34 GMT
That's your choice Red. To put yourself at disadvantage to become semi visible. I'm pretty sure if the men in black wanted you they could find you. But if it assuages your paranoia you are harming no one, so carry on. How am I disadvantaged? How does hiding my IP address, or not using a mobile phone, or not using plastic, 'disadvantage' me? You can't have your mobile with you if someone needs to contact you urgently. You have to find a cash machine to get money. You must take actions to hide your internet identity. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 19:24:15 GMT
How am I disadvantaged? How does hiding my IP address, or not using a mobile phone, or not using plastic, 'disadvantage' me? You can't have your mobile with you if someone needs to contact you urgently. You have to find a cash machine to get money. You must take actions to hide your internet identity. ZG, I'm not an addict. I know people who panic if they lose sight of their mobile phone, it's in their hand or pocket 24/7, they sleep with it. Is this you ZG? I don't want 24/7 'connectivity', I don't want to be contactable 24/7. People who I want to be contacted by, know how to contact me. I don't need to live with a mobile tracker in my pocket or under my pillow, and I never will. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 19:33:49 GMT
You can hide you Ip address from others but not the gate keepers, they issued you with the Ip address in the first place. Google sees you. If you don't use a mobile out of your home you may not be seen out and about but the phone masts know your home. Every time you use a credit or debit card or go on the internet you are seen. And the point of all this secrecy? One man not showing up when millions do, you tell me what you gain Red. I'm not going to say much more about this, but I will say: I've made my thoughts on debit/credit cards clear in previous threads. I use 'plastic' as little as possible because it leaves a very accurate record of my movements and habits. My bank will know I draw an amount of cash from an ATM, they will know the time date and location of that ATM withdrawal, then the trail goes dead. If I used plastic, my bank would have a very precise record of my movements - where I go, how much I spend at a certain location or venue, what date and time I was there, where I went next etc etc. You may say so what and that's fair enough. Personally, I prefer not to be tracked or my movements recorded. As I said, it's difficult to be anonymous, but it's not difficult to take reasonable steps to protect your privacy. See this guy. He has a similar view to yourself on phone privacy and has studied it. Here is and overview of how it works.
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 20:21:51 GMT
The word apartheid is just a word. Some of its restrictions were removed under global pressure, many were not. The legislation behind it was removed by 1993 and there was black majority government in 1994. Further the wealth gap it had already created was never addressed. Were black people in south Africa significantly poorer than in the rest of Africa? If not, can we attribute the extra wealth in this 'gap' as being due to the policies of south African government? In some ways the peaceful transfer did less good for the losers than would have a revolution which would have at least moved the money around a bit. As in the case of Zimbabwe. Not to mention the numerous other post-colonial African revolutions that brought justice and prosperity This scenario has literally nothing to do with what I described. We are not talking about two separate societies but those sharing the same society. But people living in the same society, don't necessarily come from the same starting point. If you take our scenario, no matter what happens or how the two groups mix, people coming from a society that hasn't yet discovered the wheel and has no businesses or infrastructure, are going to be at a disadvantage to the other group. Work through the permutations. Merely favouring those who were deliberately blocked from certain jobs to equal things up. Rather than come to any conclusion about whether what you have is unfair, you decide to salve your conscience by launching covert reparational attacks at unsuspecting neighbours. How convenient. This puts your comments regarding feeling sanguine about white people being wiped out in proper perspective. Of course you are sanguine - you consider yourself to be in a kind of covert race war with these people. Over exaggeration of my position seems to be your fall back position. People who think like you can be unpredictable. What happens when your visions of race retribution are frustrated? Do you escalate without limit? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 20:24:48 GMT
I'm not going to say much more about this, but I will say: I've made my thoughts on debit/credit cards clear in previous threads. I use 'plastic' as little as possible because it leaves a very accurate record of my movements and habits. My bank will know I draw an amount of cash from an ATM, they will know the time date and location of that ATM withdrawal, then the trail goes dead. If I used plastic, my bank would have a very precise record of my movements - where I go, how much I spend at a certain location or venue, what date and time I was there, where I went next etc etc. You may say so what and that's fair enough. Personally, I prefer not to be tracked or my movements recorded. As I said, it's difficult to be anonymous, but it's not difficult to take reasonable steps to protect your privacy. See this guy. He has a similar view to yourself on phone privacy and has studied it. Here is and overview of how it works.
That's a great clip, thanks for that BvL. I was aware of some of it, Google safety net for instance, but there was some very interesting info there, information that people should be aware of, but they're not. People are so addicted they refuse to listen to anything negative, they need surgery to be removed form their hand held trackers, and counselling probably. That Brax2 phone looks interesting, I'm not saying I'd buy one, yet. I need to know a bit more about it. But it's interesting. Good clip. |
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Post by bancroft on Dec 15, 2022 20:39:02 GMT
Asset inflation started in the late 90s with low interest rates while house prices rocketed.
People could not save fast enough to get on the property ladder.
The you had outsourcing of jobs and immigration of people undercutting British labour so more went into the drugs business and more beacame corrupt.
With high immigration came busier roads.
Another factor was keeping oldies alive and at home on multiple meds, great for pharmaceuticals while the tax payer coughs up. Because they were staying longer at home more demand for housing so more flats built in the suburbs increasing the traffic.
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