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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 8:02:57 GMT
We'll end up like South Africa with the whites living in gated communities with armed guards - while the blacks live outside in a Mad Max world. Possibly, if we keep on making the rich richer and the poor poorer. You do realise that is the problem in South Africa, not the colour of peoples skin? |
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 10:22:06 GMT
But surely (according to the theory) once the white supremacist patriarchal system is destroyed, all that unfairness just sorts itself out naturally? Are you saying we now need another program of reform to deal with the effects of the first program?
Could you give us a ballpark figure of the number of your unproven social theories have to work, in order for us to be left with an operating country at the end of this process?
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Post by Handyman on Dec 15, 2022 10:40:19 GMT
Red's on the money here. Did you know one reason train drivers want to strike is that their £50k+ job of pushing a handle in a nice warm cabin is too much now because they are being asked to close the doors as well as push the handle. Yep, for £50 grand a year it is not enough to close the doors. Easy solution to the drivers problem - just introduce driverless trains, then nobody is upset and the problem solved. That will happen and I think it will now take place much sooner than first planed, when it arrives it will give the Marxists led RMT another excuse to have another strike |
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Post by ginnyg on Dec 15, 2022 12:10:18 GMT
I think there are two factors here. Firstly there are a lot of people who are deliberately trying to destroy this country - as I posted on another thread. These are, as I said, mainly Lefties and Remainers who want to depose the Tories and install a Left wing govt to continue the job of making Britain unrecognisable. That post is the nearest to the truth in this whole thread. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 13:22:21 GMT
Here's one such comment picked up earlier on Zelensky the comedian. Remember we had a very popular comedian who ran the country and let in 200 000 Ukrainians and 140 000 Hong Kongers in to Britain to live just in the last year.
So hey kids, this is what we are lacking: another comedian running the country.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 16:07:25 GMT
But surely (according to the theory) once the white supremacist patriarchal system is destroyed, all that unfairness just sorts itself out naturally? Are you saying we now need another program of reform to deal with the effects of the first program? Could you give us a ballpark figure of the number of your unproven social theories have to work, in order for us to be left with an operating country at the end of this process? Might be your theory its not mine. I find your definition of woke theories laughably simple. White supremacy was just an easy way to defining the have's and have nots in the colonies and later in the UK. Victorian England had its have and have nots all white. Fighting racism is just another branch of fighting unfairness in society. And society only survives on fair play. |
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Post by bancroft on Dec 15, 2022 16:41:36 GMT
We'll end up like South Africa with the whites living in gated communities with armed guards - while the blacks live outside in a Mad Max world. We have that to an extent now it is called post codes. I almost laughed about the women being safe in London noise, they were socialising in very unsafe post codes and then attacked. Did they not listen to their parents about where to go and not to go when it gets dark. Lots of young men get stabbed yet it is not so high profile. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 16:56:44 GMT
White supremacy was just an easy way to defining the have's and have nots in the colonies and later in the UK. Sure it's easy. European people had industrialised production and railways when some parts of Africa were still yet to discover the wheel. It would be hard to imagine a more unequal situation. If you are going to break the world into two classes and politically exploit a visible distinction, this would be the obvious place to do it. However, I can't help noticing that when you invoke this distinction, it isn't racism, but when your opposition does the same, it is. Fighting racism is just another branch of fighting unfairness in society. And society only survives on fair play. Ironically you seem to have concluded that the only way to make things 'fair' (you mean equal btw) is by applying race discrimination against white people. If the discrimination doesn't have the effect you feel it should have, can we expect the amount of racism to be ramped up further? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 17:10:58 GMT
White supremacy was just an easy way to defining the have's and have nots in the colonies and later in the UK. Sure it's easy. European people had industrialised production and railways when some parts of Africa were still yet to discover the wheel. It would be hard to imagine a more unequal situation. If you are going to break the world into two classes and politically exploit a visible distinction, this would be the obvious place to do it. However, I can't help noticing that when you invoke this distinction, it isn't racism, but when your opposition does the same, it is. Fighting racism is just another branch of fighting unfairness in society. And society only survives on fair play. Once again you drift back into history and by doing so somewhat miss the point. I am referring to current day South Africa. Those claiming that immigration is the cause of Britons ills are looking at it being about the immigrants rather than the wealth divide. Making things fair always involves those with more losing some of it to those with less. It just so happens that the colours are as you describe. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 15, 2022 17:13:33 GMT
But surely (according to the theory) once the white supremacist patriarchal system is destroyed, all that unfairness just sorts itself out naturally? Are you saying we now need another program of reform to deal with the effects of the first program? Could you give us a ballpark figure of the number of your unproven social theories have to work, in order for us to be left with an operating country at the end of this process? Might be your theory its not mine. I find your definition of woke theories laughably simple. White supremacy was just an easy way to defining the have's and have nots in the colonies and later in the UK. Victorian England had its have and have nots all white. Fighting racism is just another branch of fighting unfairness in society. And society only survives on fair play. Lots of societies have existed and I cannot think of one example that encompassed fair play as a societal necessity. Many said they were being fair but were very unfair and became even more so. Fair to my mind means every individual is treated equally in law and has equal opportunity in law. Perhaps it means something else to you, it certainly seems to. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 15, 2022 17:21:17 GMT
Purely on the subject of hand trackers Red. You are the guy who posted his photo on a forum. Do you think google doesn't know your IP address and doesn't have face recognition. So now they have your face and your address and probably a whole host of other info about you. If you have any sort of mobile they know the Ip address registered on it and can track you from mast to mast cctv to cctv. You think you are cleverly avoiding them but you're not even close. ZG, I'm no IT genius, If I can change or hide my IP address I wouldn't have thought it was too arduous a task for other people. I am occasionally asked to confirm my IP address because someone is having difficulty pinning me down. I do surveys for an on line polling company, without thinking I gave them my correct post code, but it doesn't match my IP address. So they regularly ask me to confirm my post code or IP address. Of course I'm not going to. As for mobile phones, I don't own a smart phone. I do own a basic mobile phone although I cant remember the last time I used it and I never take it out of the house. Having just checked, it's in my 'man drawer' it's switched off and is as usual as flat as a witches tit. I am aware it's difficult these days not to leave an electronic or digital trace of your movements, that's largely due to third parties, or that every key stroke on your 'device' is recorded. But I do what I can to reduce my electronic or digital footprint. Imo, everyone should do the same. Although, it's probably too late for most people. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 15, 2022 17:29:56 GMT
All around me I see madness. There is madness on the radio, madness drama, madness in the UK social media, especially regarding rising up against the state in one huge and total strike of all workers (sic) of the United Kingdom. Then I look in my local paper and this week some wicked woman has been sent to prison for stabbing and murdering her lodger, which in turn killed his wife in the same way 20 years ago. There are many similar examples of murders virtually every day in the United Kingdom. Finally I have a sift through the various jobs on offer in my local area and I was rather stunned to notice that except for your retail jobs nearly every other job was in social care, and many were "special needs" and well you guessed it - caring for total nutters that can't look after themselves.
Does anyone really understand the cause of all of this madness? Let me know if you have any theories regarding it. In particular why is it getting worse?
I blame 24 hour news When I was a child, Brady and Hindley were murdering children my age for the pleasure it brought and they were just the start. All sorts of shit went on. I know because mum worked for the police surgeon called to deal with half of it and dad was in school with the bloke who ran the home office forensic science service local office. But with one news broadcast a day in the late evening and much shorter ones at 6pm and barely two minutes at 1pm people who now, like you, spend too much time listening to endless rolling news had no such access and lived happy fulfilled lives blissfully unaware of the going’s on beneath the veneer of respectability That’s what’s changed Baron. The evil was always there, you never heard about it. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 15, 2022 17:36:33 GMT
Once again you drift back into history and by doing so somewhat miss the point. I am referring to current day South Africa. And i made the point that, although the yoke of white supremacy is now removed, things seem to be going relentlessly downhill. It would make an intelligent person wonder just how realistically important that factor really was and, by extrapolation, if directing racism at white people were really likely to improve things for anyone at all. You started to then talk about colonialism etc, which is how we ended up at history (i think). Those claiming that immigration is the cause of Britons ills are looking at it being about the immigrants rather than the wealth divide. ...and yet you insist on talking explicitly about race and the need for racism. If, as you claim, race is just a proxy for wealth, why not talk about wealth and the need for wealthism? Making things fair always involves those with more losing some of it to those with less. It just so happens that the colours are as you describe. If you really feel you have been the beneficiary of some unfair advantage, the thing to do would be to simply hand your goods over to people you feel are more deserving of them. it certainly isn't very reasonable to go around handing out race punishments to third parties. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 15, 2022 17:59:20 GMT
Might be your theory its not mine. I find your definition of woke theories laughably simple. White supremacy was just an easy way to defining the have's and have nots in the colonies and later in the UK. Victorian England had its have and have nots all white. Fighting racism is just another branch of fighting unfairness in society. And society only survives on fair play. Lots of societies have existed and I cannot think of one example that encompassed fair play as a societal necessity. Many said they were being fair but were very unfair and became even more so. Fair to my mind means every individual is treated equally in law and has equal opportunity in law. Perhaps it means something else to you, it certainly seems to. Are you serious? I cannot think of a single respected society that does not encompass fair play. All have laws that prevent exploitation, help for the weak. Fair play does not mean pure equality and no system is perfect. What we do know is the ones that do not strive for fair play falter or fail. So yes equal opportunity plays a part, but it is not the whole by any means. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2022 18:10:09 GMT
All around me I see madness. There is madness on the radio, madness drama, madness in the UK social media, especially regarding rising up against the state in one huge and total strike of all workers (sic) of the United Kingdom. Then I look in my local paper and this week some wicked woman has been sent to prison for stabbing and murdering her lodger, which in turn killed his wife in the same way 20 years ago. There are many similar examples of murders virtually every day in the United Kingdom. Finally I have a sift through the various jobs on offer in my local area and I was rather stunned to notice that except for your retail jobs nearly every other job was in social care, and many were "special needs" and well you guessed it - caring for total nutters that can't look after themselves.
Does anyone really understand the cause of all of this madness? Let me know if you have any theories regarding it. In particular why is it getting worse?
I blame 24 hour news When I was a child, Brady and Hindley were murdering children my age for the pleasure it brought and they were just the start. All sorts of shit went on. I know because mum worked for the police surgeon called to deal with half of it and dad was in school with the bloke who ran the home office forensic science service local office. But with one news broadcast a day in the late evening and much shorter ones at 6pm and barely two minutes at 1pm people who now, like you, spend too much time listening to endless rolling news had no such access and lived happy fulfilled lives blissfully unaware of the going’s on beneath the veneer of respectability That’s what’s changed Baron. The evil was always there, you never heard about it. Don't you think though that the News is normalising this behaviour by constant familiarity with it?
One I read about last night, which was purely by accident because the name of the two criminals happened to be a name I was searching for is just one more example. This involved two lesbians married and looking after their children. One boy was 19 years old and he died of malnutrition. He was 5 stone when he died and confined to a bed where they just left him to rot. This is the woman's son. They did nothing to save him, when it was obvious he was virtually dead and could hardly move. For this heinous crime one woman got 4 years and the other 3 because the judge said she had less to do with it, and another sibling got 18m for not reporting the crime. You would get 3 years in prison just for having an ounce of coke in your pocket. To me this is on a different level of evil entirely. They practically got let off for taking a child's life.
Oh by the way, I'm aware of this propaganda and limit the amount I listen to. I take more of an interest in people's reactions to propaganda on social media. I try and educate a few and help them see they are being lied to.
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