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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 16:34:48 GMT
“ Two houses Rayner ‘ is beefing up the employment laws . Where were the lefties when the UK was invaded by EU migrants who were quite happy to ignore them ? All of the lefties who spouted the lie that migrants came here do the jobs ( ie work under shit conditions and cheap) we wouldn’t do should be against this right ? They certainly didn’t support the natives who were driven out by itinerant, zero hour, young agency workers who would undercut and undermine the Brits . “In total there will be 28 employment reforms in the Employment Rights Bill, including improving access to sick pay and providing “day one” protection from unfair dismissal. Other measures include a ban on “exploitative” zero hours contracts and a tightening of rules around “fire and rehire” practices. Under the package, the current two-year qualifying period for protection from unfair dismissal will be replaced with a day one protection, extending coverage to nine million people who have been with their employer for less than two years.” inews.co.uk/news/politics/workers-flexible-working-rights-day-one-rayner-law-3316353?srsltid=AfmBOoppYH8HzT_ydIonbqoRyDmhfzk58Jl96yL6-K3NrNvXnrmn8uk3 |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 10, 2024 18:55:10 GMT
“ Two houses Rayner ‘ is beefing up the employment laws . Where were the lefties when the UK was invaded by EU migrants who were quite happy to ignore them ? All of the lefties who spouted the lie that migrants came here do the jobs ( ie work under shit conditions and cheap) we wouldn’t do should be against this right ? They certainly didn’t support the natives who were driven out by itinerant, zero hour, young agency workers who would undercut and undermine the Brits . “In total there will be 28 employment reforms in the Employment Rights Bill, including improving access to sick pay and providing “day one” protection from unfair dismissal. Other measures include a ban on “exploitative” zero hours contracts and a tightening of rules around “fire and rehire” practices. Under the package, the current two-year qualifying period for protection from unfair dismissal will be replaced with a day one protection, extending coverage to nine million people who have been with their employer for less than two years.” inews.co.uk/news/politics/workers-flexible-working-rights-day-one-rayner-law-3316353?srsltid=AfmBOoppYH8HzT_ydIonbqoRyDmhfzk58Jl96yL6-K3NrNvXnrmn8uk3The system clearly wasn't working so it sounds more like a push from the civil service. She's just been given the job of presenting it. It's a tidy up bill, like a progreammer's bugs list. The incentives have to be right. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 19:03:09 GMT
I think many employers especially those with smaller businesses may be very reluctant to employ new staff, and will be very wary of new applicants with little of no experience and those who may have been unemployed for a long time
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 19:04:12 GMT
“ Two houses Rayner ‘ is beefing up the employment laws . Where were the lefties when the UK was invaded by EU migrants who were quite happy to ignore them ? All of the lefties who spouted the lie that migrants came here do the jobs ( ie work under shit conditions and cheap) we wouldn’t do should be against this right ? They certainly didn’t support the natives who were driven out by itinerant, zero hour, young agency workers who would undercut and undermine the Brits . “In total there will be 28 employment reforms in the Employment Rights Bill, including improving access to sick pay and providing “day one” protection from unfair dismissal. Other measures include a ban on “exploitative” zero hours contracts and a tightening of rules around “fire and rehire” practices. Under the package, the current two-year qualifying period for protection from unfair dismissal will be replaced with a day one protection, extending coverage to nine million people who have been with their employer for less than two years.” inews.co.uk/news/politics/workers-flexible-working-rights-day-one-rayner-law-3316353?srsltid=AfmBOoppYH8HzT_ydIonbqoRyDmhfzk58Jl96yL6-K3NrNvXnrmn8uk3The system clearly wasn't working so it sounds more like a push from the civil service. She's just been given the job of presenting it. It's a tidy up bill, like a progreammer's bugs list. The incentives have to be right. It sounds like an policy based on ideology. They both were/ are. The fact that they contradict each other wouldn’t change that . |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 19:06:50 GMT
I think many employers especially those with smaller businesses may be very reluctant to employ new staff, and will be very wary of new applicants with little of no experience and those who may have been unemployed for a long time Indeed. That has been said . Ive been responsible for taking on people in the past . Some needed to be sacked . I would say that 3 months is about right . Not 1st day . I stand to be corrected though . |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 19:15:03 GMT
If its an unskilled job I think 3 months is long enough to judge if they are competent and reliable , if more skilled work perhaps 6 months its a two way street IMO one day ? no
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 10, 2024 19:28:30 GMT
The system clearly wasn't working so it sounds more like a push from the civil service. She's just been given the job of presenting it. It's a tidy up bill, like a progreammer's bugs list. The incentives have to be right. It sounds like an policy based on ideology. They both were/ are. The fact that they contradict each other wouldn’t change that . An example of where the system is dumb is the apprentice scheme. How it is supposed to work is it is a halfway house. The employer trains the apprantice and the apprentice does some work for the employer, much like as if the employee did a job and then out of that money paid of the training. So good in principle, but when used as a cheap source of unskilled labour then it is counterproductive. As soon as the employee is trained he is expecting the promised well paid job, and yet he is pushed back the start again.
Someone told me who joined the SAS that part of their training was to lug massive containers of water up to the top of this hill and then tip the contents away and do it again. The reason for the training though was psychological. The act of putting great effort into an enterprise and then seeing it all wasted is stressful to the psyche, so they are testing their psychological endurance. of coruse if you are in the SAS you are supposed to be tough, but for many, this is psychologically desrtructive and the person is going to get very angry, and where there is anger and resentment there is a great deal of trouble and then no one trusts any of the bastards. Anyway, much like a lot of governemnt schemes, done for the right reasons, but done incompetenly, and also open to attack by the unscrupious.
I reckon probably how it is is the civil service have a shopping list and forward on all the socialist policies to Labour and then wait for the Tories to get back in with the less socialist policies, just to make you think your vote means something.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 10, 2024 19:32:30 GMT
I think many employers especially those with smaller businesses may be very reluctant to employ new staff, and will be very wary of new applicants with little of no experience and those who may have been unemployed for a long time Perhaps, but then they might offer some incentice to the employer for taking on long-term unemployed. With all these changesd we will have to see the details to see how it balances out. They are talking about a 9m probation period. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 10, 2024 19:38:02 GMT
The redeeming feature is tackling that lot at P&O ferries.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 19:38:58 GMT
I think many employers especially those with smaller businesses may be very reluctant to employ new staff, and will be very wary of new applicants with little of no experience and those who may have been unemployed for a long time Perhaps, but then they might offer some incentice to the employer for taking on long-term unemployed. With all these changesd we will have to see the details to see how it balances out. They are talking about a 9m probation period. I am aware of what they are talking about, when it comes to any applicant that has been unemployed for a long time, it would depend on why they were unemployed for a long time, at the end of the day the employer makes the decision yes or no they have to protect their business at the end of the day to survive |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 19:45:44 GMT
The redeeming feature is tackling that lot at P&O ferries. There was very little the last Government could do to take P&O to task for them sacking all their UK Staff Crews , as their company is registered outside of the UK |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 10, 2024 20:11:00 GMT
Perhaps, but then they might offer some incentice to the employer for taking on long-term unemployed. With all these changesd we will have to see the details to see how it balances out. They are talking about a 9m probation period. I am aware of what they are talking about, when it comes to any applicant that has been unemployed for a long time, it would depend on why they were unemployed for a long time, at the end of the day the employer makes the decision yes or no they have to protect their business at the end of the day to survive Actually my peronal view on this matter is it is up to the person if they wanted to do any work. They might have been so sucsessful in their early years they didn't need to work. The problem is they often think the worst, as in say thinking well perhaps he is a thief and got caught so many times no one will trust him, or some other horror. It's the fear of the unknown. I think after 9m you would be pretty sure who you employed though. I like the idea of being about employ as you chose to do so, but the employer must have some morals too. In general a moral society is a free society. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 10, 2024 20:22:25 GMT
The redeeming feature is tackling that lot at P&O ferries. There was very little the last Government could do to take P&O to task for them sacking all their UK Staff Crews , as their company is registered outside of the UK well TBF handy the French managed to. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 20:23:32 GMT
Baron
Sheer nonsense
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2024 20:33:33 GMT
There was very little the last Government could do to take P&O to task for them sacking all their UK Staff Crews , as their company is registered outside of the UK well TBF handy the French managed to. P&O are or were at the time were registered in Dubai hence difficult to take to task under UK Law , so basically they got away with it what the French did differently I don't know |
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