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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2024 9:46:09 GMT
"...It appears to me that in any democratic country [...] any readily visible differences between human beings inevitably results in political friction."
Was he right? Are there any contradictory instances, where the introduction into an already existing society of people with readily visible differences has not resulted in political friction, or worse?
If he was right, why are we still doing it?
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2024 10:26:32 GMT
"...It appears to me that in any democratic country [...] any readily visible differences between human beings inevitably results in political friction."
Was he right? Are there any contradictory instances, where the introduction into an already existing society of people with readily visible differences has not resulted in political friction, or worse?
If he was right, why are we still doing it?
I think the most important factor is the way the 'readily visible difference' is divided between families. This creates an almost inevitable political faction / political friction and each side can see it in the other's behaviour. For instance, I note that otherwise rational and reasonable Indians become flabbergasted and shocked when i suggest it might be unethical for them to (say) deliberately move their entire families / societies into the uk. They rarely have any consideration at all as to how this might appear to to the bulk of the population. However, they have this stance because, at the back of their mind is precisely the need to 'shore up' against the threat of the bulk of the uk population. This is enough on its own, but if you add that fact that some of the parties already have well established political enclosures around their families, it amplifies the issue 100 times If you game theory it out there is virtually no chance it will work (imho). |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2024 11:26:08 GMT
I wonder what Powell would have made of the contemporary parliamentary Conservative party opting for a person of Nigerian ancestry and upbringing as its preferred candidate as leader of the party. A person who has described herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant".
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Post by jonksy on Oct 10, 2024 11:35:34 GMT
I wonder what Powell would have made of the contemporary parliamentary Conservative party opting for a person of Nigerian ancestry and upbringing as its preferred candidate as leader of the party. A person who has described herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant". Do you think Powell was a racist or just an advanced visionary? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 10, 2024 11:41:01 GMT
Just a recap of Powells speech... Powell argued that he felt that although "many thousands" of immigrants wanted to integrate, he felt that the majority did not, and that some had vested interests in fostering racial and religious differences "with a view to the exercise of actual domination, first over fellow-immigrants and then over the rest of the ...
EDIT.....Here is a link to the full speech he made in PDF format
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Post by Orac on Oct 10, 2024 11:55:01 GMT
I wonder what Powell would have made of the contemporary parliamentary Conservative party opting for a person of Nigerian ancestry and upbringing as its preferred candidate as leader of the party. A person who has described herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant". Powell's prediction was broad strokes. I doubt he could foresee in any detail the social / political chaos we are now experiencing. It seems the bulk / median views of the UK public are only allowed gain expression / representation via outsiders themselves. This is forcing the the UK public to ask their abusers for permission to complain about the abuse. It reminds me a bit of some HR processes |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 10, 2024 13:29:45 GMT
I wonder what Powell would have made of the contemporary parliamentary Conservative party opting for a person of Nigerian ancestry and upbringing as its preferred candidate as leader of the party. A person who has described herself as "to all intents and purposes a first-generation immigrant". Do you think Powell was a racist or just an advanced visionary? The growing problems the country now has was pushed intentionally. What some may see as a warning has become policy, much like the warnings in 1984. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 13:32:51 GMT
I think lefties don’t see this as a problem . They see it as the solution.
Multiculturalism not working? Race problems ?
The State encourages natives to breed with the invaders .
Eventually too few whites to worry about .
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Post by patman post on Oct 10, 2024 14:27:44 GMT
I think lefties don’t see this as a problem . They see it as the solution. Multiculturalism not working? Race problems ? The State encourages natives to breed with the invaders . Eventually too few whites to worry about . Must admit to fulfilling about 90% of that, although the White part is Nordic. However, Powellites might possibly grudgingly accept Germanic/Nordic as superior to the current Celtic/Roman/Norse/Norman/Anglo-Saxon mix claiming to be true British... |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 14:31:10 GMT
I think lefties don’t see this as a problem . They see it as the solution. Multiculturalism not working? Race problems ? The State encourages natives to breed with the invaders . Eventually too few whites to worry about . Must admit to fulfilling about 90% of that, although the White part is Nordic. However, Powellites might possibly grudgingly accept Germanic/Nordic as superior to the current Celtic/Roman/Norse/Norman/Anglo-Saxon mix claiming to be true British... There is no such thing as “ Powellites” and I do not recall Powell claiming that” Germanic / Nordic “ being superior to other white ethnic groups so I can only conclude that you made it all up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 10, 2024 14:33:26 GMT
I think lefties don’t see this as a problem . They see it as the solution. Multiculturalism not working? Race problems ? The State encourages natives to breed with the invaders . Eventually too few whites to worry about .True. Britain's population is growing at its fastest rate since records began Last year's massive 1% growth was fuelled exclusively by mass migration (from Pakistan, Nigeria etc.) At this rate, White British will be an ethnic minority within their own land within 30 years |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2024 14:37:35 GMT
I think lefties don’t see this as a problem . They see it as the solution. Multiculturalism not working? Race problems ? The State encourages natives to breed with the invaders . Eventually too few whites to worry about .True. Britain's population is growing at its fastest rate since records began Last year's massive 1% growth was fuelled exclusively by mass migration (from Pakistan, Nigeria etc.) At this rate, White British will be an ethnic minority within their own land within 30 years There can’t be any other reason to import so many people from so many ethnic groups . |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 10, 2024 15:41:45 GMT
For Powell himself such distinctions came to have little relevance, certainly after his experience and military service in India. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 11, 2024 11:32:31 GMT
The best thing Enoch Powell ever did was write to the government and castigate them for appeasing Hitler back when he was young.
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Post by piglet on Oct 13, 2024 11:36:11 GMT
This is a physical world, all is friction, thats the whole point. Political friction is unavoidable, any friction is, it is the crucible of change. Whatever you believe in will be changed, not by discussion, pleading, but by first hand experience.
Putin and Hitler were wrong, its taking a bit of ordinance to demonstrate that.
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