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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 13, 2024 12:00:13 GMT
I think Powell was both right and wrong; because like everything I don't think a "one size fits all" solution is any solution at all.
If you look at our politics the divide is still, predominantly, about Class, well Wealth now.
Are there any Political Parties of any note at all that are predicated on a "visible difference"?
I can't think of one, so if they do exist they are likely to be very localised.
Multiculturalism has failed only insofar as it has permitted the rise of "value relativism"; permitting some groups to hold values that in law deliver results that are illegal under mainstream British Law - the two obvious cases being Sharia and Beth Din Courts, both of which should be abolished, all verdicts delivered by them overturned, and any "official" delivering a verdict counter to British law charged with Perverting The Course Of Justice.
For there to be "cultural harmony" there needs to be an underpinning legal harmony: one law, all people, all times, equally.
Of course, in both cases above the fault line is religion; so there needs to be a 100% complete separation of Church & State, effectively like the French.
Abolish the positions of Lords Spiritual (in fact abolish the House Of Lords entirely); religions to be offered no special dispensation of any kind.
Religious Schools to be better audited so their curricula comply fully with the standards set for non-religious schools, any school whose curriculum fails to meet those standards has the ability for its students to earn UCAS Points removed.
Religions is a personal choice, nothing more.
All The Best
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Post by Orac on Oct 13, 2024 12:13:11 GMT
Paraphrasing and summarising the above:
In order to deal with the consequences an unpopular policy virtually nobody asked for, further dismantling of society is required.
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 13, 2024 12:20:01 GMT
Paraphrasing and summarising the above: In order to deal with the consequences an unpopular policy virtually nobody asked for, further dismantling of society is required.Where did I say, suggest or even imply that? Ah, this is about the separation of Church and State. Awww, didums, does someone need a sky-fairy to feel safe in the world? You do know were are, nominally at least, a Democracy so there are no valid reason to retain the last vestiges of Theocracy. By the time of the 2031 Census, on current trends, the majority of the UK will be atheist. And in fact side-lining Religion doesn't "dismantle society" it frees it. All The Best |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 13, 2024 12:39:41 GMT
"Are there any Political Parties of any note at all that are predicated on a "visible difference"? "
The last such party in the UK was the BNP, until its constitution was ruled unlawful.
But they're still quite common in other countries where communities of 'visible difference' are found. India, for example. Visible difference is not confined to skin colour of course. Perhaps Powell ought to have made that clearer.
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Post by Orac on Oct 13, 2024 13:03:07 GMT
Paraphrasing and summarising the above: In order to deal with the consequences an unpopular policy virtually nobody asked for, further dismantling of society is required.Where did I say, suggest or even imply that? Ah, this is about the separation of Church and State. Awww, didums, does someone need a sky-fairy to feel safe in the world? It just isn't an issue for the British people and hasn't been one for centuries. This means you are advocating modifications to a functioning system in order to suit the middle-east religious fruitcakes you import, and want to import, from backward societies. I think there is more sensible way to deal with this - ie the fruitcakes remain in the middle east. Isn't my solution more parsimonious? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 13, 2024 16:34:46 GMT
Where did I say, suggest or even imply that? Ah, this is about the separation of Church and State. Awww, didums, does someone need a sky-fairy to feel safe in the world? It just isn't an issue for the British people and hasn't been one for centuries. This means you are advocating modifications to a functioning system in order to suit the middle-east religious fruitcakes you import, and want to import, from backward societies.
I think there is more sensible way to deal with this - ie the fruitcakes remain in the middle east. Isn't my solution more parsimonious? Why are you lying about me AGAIN? I don't import anyone, I want less people coming to this country. I oppose Christianity, Judaism and Islam equally, they are all rotten fruits from the same rotten tree. Collectively their Proselyting Exclusionist Monotheism is the cause of more conflict throughout history than any other cause, and maybe even all other causes combined. The only modification I am suggesting is putting religion in proper place - it is a personal choice, effectively a lifestyle hobby. It should have no more, or less, protections than those who choose skiing as their hobby, or those choosing to be vegetarian. Stop giving it power over our legislature (Lords Spiritual), stop giving it power over our Judiciary (Shariah and Beth Din Courts) and stop giving it power over our education system (Religious Schools). If parents want to brainwash their child about a specific sky-fairy let them do that in their own homes, on their own time, and at their own expense; meanwhile the state will ensure that everyone gets a grounding in a secular based education system. Within two generations the religiously inspired fracture points in our society will be gone, for good. All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Oct 13, 2024 19:22:54 GMT
It just isn't an issue for the British people and hasn't been one for centuries. This means you are advocating modifications to a functioning system in order to suit the middle-east religious fruitcakes you import, and want to import, from backward societies.
I think there is more sensible way to deal with this - ie the fruitcakes remain in the middle east. Isn't my solution more parsimonious? Collectively their Proselyting Exclusionist Monotheism is the cause of more conflict throughout history than any other cause, and maybe even all other causes combined. I disagree. I think the problem Is dysfunctional, backward societal forms like so called Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats. For clarity, when I said 'you', i meant you plural (y'all) - i.e. "you people" or "people like you" |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 13, 2024 23:49:06 GMT
Collectively their Proselyting Exclusionist Monotheism is the cause of more conflict throughout history than any other cause, and maybe even all other causes combined. I disagree. I think the problem Is dysfunctional, backward societal forms like so called Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats. For clarity, when I said 'you', i meant you plural (y'all) - i.e. "you people" or " people like you" For clarity, people like me do not want more people in this country; and we want LESS religion all around. Because all religions are organisations designed to control the masses and defraud of them of their wealth and / or freedom of thought. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 13, 2024 23:53:33 GMT
Collectively their Proselyting Exclusionist Monotheism is the cause of more conflict throughout history than any other cause, and maybe even all other causes combined. I disagree. I think the problem Is dysfunctional, backward societal forms like so called Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats. For clarity, when I said 'you', i meant you plural (y'all) - i.e. "you people" or "people like you" And you don't think it is backward and dysfunctional to think that praying to a dead carpenter can absolve you of your sins and grant you access to an afterlife of paradise? Surely it is just better to educate people about right and wrong, and the benefits of the former and perils of the latter, in the here and now? Do you mean silly hats like this:  Or is that one OK because a white Englishman is wearing it? All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Oct 14, 2024 1:42:23 GMT
I disagree. I think the problem Is dysfunctional, backward societal forms like so called Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats. For clarity, when I said 'you', i meant you plural (y'all) - i.e. "you people" or "people like you" Do you mean silly hats like this: Or is that one OK because a white Englishman is wearing it? The hats aren't the problem. Read what i put again...here it is for convenience Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats I disagree with you regarding your self description - you are precisely the sort of person who is attempting to force this nonsense on us |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 14, 2024 15:29:54 GMT
Do you mean silly hats like this: Or is that one OK because a white Englishman is wearing it? The hats aren't the problem. Read what i put again...here it is for convenience Islamic 'culture', which amount to very little but a criminal syndicates with tassels and silly hats I disagree with you regarding your self description - you are precisely the sort of person who is attempting to force this nonsense on us So, not only do you continue to lie about me, you demonstrate, beyond doubt, the "b word" I am banned from saying. The Forum Owner is not fit to be so as long as he continues to allow Mods such as you to have any hint of power here. All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Oct 14, 2024 15:40:34 GMT
If you want you can PM me privately with the accusation and we can discuss it. I assure you, I wont ban you.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Oct 15, 2024 1:06:12 GMT
Genetic studies of two Lake district towns ... Kendal and Keswick ... found that 95% of the males in Kendal were of Viking origin whereas only 5% in Keswick were of Viking origin. There is a small town in Lincolnshire where almost everybody has genetic origins going back 8 thousand years. Some small communities in the Mendips have similar ancient origins. The various tribes that were here when the Romans came can still be identified in the appearance of and the genetics of the people who now inhabit their tribal lands. The genes of the Phoenicians who traded within Cornwall are still present in the county.
These people are still evident around where I'm living:
"The Kingdom of the Hwicce was a subkingdom of Anglo-Saxon England that was established in 577 after the Battle of Deorham. The kingdom's territory roughly coincided with the medieval diocese of Worcester, which included present-day Worcestershire, Gloucestershire, and southwest Warwickshire".
William the Conqueror got the Pope's support for his invasion by promising to stop the Anglo-Saxon Catholic priests from marrying, which they often did. The papacy then used force to impose its celibacy rule on all the priests throughout Europe.
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