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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 7, 2024 12:06:30 GMT
Actually I was in Manchester at the time, and I absolutely hated the Smiths, but then I was hanging out with people who would listen to completely different music. Anyhow I went to a lot of local parties during this time and could not help but notice how many people there were just amongst the local Manc who were diehard fans of theirs. I was living in south Manchester then which is like the West End is to London. I think the band might have been pretty local to us. A couple of girlfriends lived in a house which was literally across the road form where Factory Records started from and we had New Order up the road from us. We were in a such close proximity to the leading people of the Manchester music scene that we ended up at the same parties. I remember one party where they had a full on kit for a live band to play and this guy had this guitar and anyone could call out any song they could think of and after about a minute or two of fiddling he could play it perfectly. Fun times indeed. I even jammed with one lot myself. I was out of my head, but everyone thought it sounded great! The Smiths is a funny old thing. I think they alienated a lot of people PURELY with image. Morrissey way overdid the 'frail and tender young man' thing and he would probably admit it now (in a moment of complete frankness). The music was cast as 'depressed', but really the principle quality was poetic / lyrical and humorous - full of historic references mixed with gritty references to everyday English experience I've since grown to like some of those trendy tunes of the Mancs that I once shone away from. I mean that track Blue Monday I now see how it was so clever. Some of the most difficuiult music to do is ironiclaly some of the simplest. Anyone can compose a show off piece of music with loads of complicated notes and chord changes, but to create the vibe in just a few well positoned notes with the exact timing and intonation to hit it spot on is far harder than it looks.
As you say, the chief problem with Morressey was it was so much like a wet weekend. The music really took off when bands started doing a bit more of an upbeat and orginal sound. I was going to suggest it was a bit like the folk music, known to sound like complaining minis all the time. Americans have their own version known as Country and Western. A while back it was known to be almost suicidal music. Probably corporate mind control.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 7, 2024 12:18:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2024 12:59:06 GMT
The promotion of hip hop at the expense of music has been noticeable since the eighties. I recall The Smiths' singer Morrissey complaining bitterly that, although his band had regular top ten hits and, at the time, had two songs in the charts at the same time, they couldn't get radio stations to play these songs because they seemed completely fixated on only playing music written and produced by black artists advocating criminality (hip hop). I get where you are coming from but I don't think it was all about race or colour at all. A lot of it was to do with a desire to be getting down with the youth by promoting radical new genres at the expense of existing ones. Rap and hip hop - which I detest - was a part of that but so was a lot of other shite like forms of dance music designed to appeal to the rave scene whose artistes were mostly white. Also the banal outpourings of Stock, Aitken and Waterman who were all white and the majority of whose artistes were white. So to view this as racist inspired is an error in my view. It was all about promoting and pandering to youth culture, by focussing on anything radically new. Which is the reason why we heard so much punk, new wave and synthi-pop in the late 70s and early 80s. But I don't recall there ever being a problem with Morrisey records being played, nor groups like Dire Straits or Talking Heads. I personally found Morrisey overrated, irritating and boring, so noticed how often I inwardly groaned as it appeared on the radio yet again. If anything Morrisey was overated and over played. There was however a time in the late 80s when rap crap was being rammed down our throats and the later 80s was when I gave up following the charts. Because if it wasn't rap crap it was Stock, Aitken and Waterman. I do recall a decision by Radio One to cease promoting Status Quo in spite of their continuing popularity in the charts. And that is because very few people under 25 were buying their records at the time. They made a decision to pander to youth and left everyone else to radio 2. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 8, 2024 8:02:21 GMT
I remember Radio 1 banning Status Quo, that was 1996.
They'd released a cover of Fun Fun Fun by the Beach Boys.
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Post by Orac on Oct 8, 2024 10:00:25 GMT
The promotion of hip hop at the expense of music has been noticeable since the eighties. I recall The Smiths' singer Morrissey complaining bitterly that, although his band had regular top ten hits and, at the time, had two songs in the charts at the same time, they couldn't get radio stations to play these songs because they seemed completely fixated on only playing music written and produced by black artists advocating criminality (hip hop). I get where you are coming from but I don't think it was all about race or colour at all. A lot of it was to do with a desire to be getting down with the youth by promoting radical new genres at the expense of existing ones. Rap and hip hop - which I detest - was a part of that but so was a lot of other shite like forms of dance music designed to appeal to the rave scene whose artistes were mostly white. Also the banal outpourings of Stock, Aitken and Waterman who were all white and the majority of whose artistes were white. So to view this as racist inspired is an error in my view. It was all about promoting and pandering to youth culture, by focussing on anything radically new. Which is the reason why we heard so much punk, new wave and synthi-pop in the late 70s and early 80s. But I don't recall there ever being a problem with Morrisey records being played, nor groups like Dire Straits or Talking Heads. I personally found Morrisey overrated, irritating and boring, so noticed how often I inwardly groaned as it appeared on the radio yet again. If anything Morrisey was overated and over played. There was however a time in the late 80s when rap crap was being rammed down our throats and the later 80s was when I gave up following the charts. Because if it wasn't rap crap it was Stock, Aitken and Waterman. I do recall a decision by Radio One to cease promoting Status Quo in spite of their continuing popularity in the charts. And that is because very few people under 25 were buying their records at the time. They made a decision to pander to youth and left everyone else to radio 2. I didn't mention specifically racism (i think it is even more pernicious than mere racism), but I think you are rather trying your best here to fallaciously exclude it as a possibility. Smiths fans were also young. You are trying skirt around the obvious implication that these people were attempting to force popularity on the public where it wasn't apparent |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 8, 2024 10:20:32 GMT
The promotion of hip hop at the expense of music has been noticeable since the eighties. I recall The Smiths' singer Morrissey complaining bitterly that, although his band had regular top ten hits and, at the time, had two songs in the charts at the same time, they couldn't get radio stations to play these songs because they seemed completely fixated on only playing music written and produced by black artists advocating criminality (hip hop). I get where you are coming from but I don't think it was all about race or colour at all. A lot of it was to do with a desire to be getting down with the youth by promoting radical new genres at the expense of existing ones. Rap and hip hop - which I detest - was a part of that but so was a lot of other shite like forms of dance music designed to appeal to the rave scene whose artistes were mostly white. Also the banal outpourings of Stock, Aitken and Waterman who were all white and the majority of whose artistes were white. So to view this as racist inspired is an error in my view. It was all about promoting and pandering to youth culture, by focussing on anything radically new. Which is the reason why we heard so much punk, new wave and synthi-pop in the late 70s and early 80s. But I don't recall there ever being a problem with Morrisey records being played, nor groups like Dire Straits or Talking Heads. I personally found Morrisey overrated, irritating and boring, so noticed how often I inwardly groaned as it appeared on the radio yet again. If anything Morrisey was overated and over played. There was however a time in the late 80s when rap crap was being rammed down our throats and the later 80s was when I gave up following the charts. Because if it wasn't rap crap it was Stock, Aitken and Waterman. I do recall a decision by Radio One to cease promoting Status Quo in spite of their continuing popularity in the charts. And that is because very few people under 25 were buying their records at the time. They made a decision to pander to youth and left everyone else to radio 2. Status Quo was musically moronic. Talking Heads though were brilliant and one of the most original of bands. The rave scene was home grown. It was a free market. Before that the music industry was controlled by the likes of EMI etc. It wasa a dirty game and that was why the pruduce was crap. In a sesne you could claim Japs invented rave. They brought the price of studio equipment within the reach of the private individuals, and in his bedroom he never had a manager telling him what to play. Sure there was a lot of crap as well, but there was just a lot of everything and out of that soup emerged brilliant creations, far better than any coporation could do. At this point the Tories decided to protect their corporations by banning it. It goes to show you the kind of country we live in. A typical creative genius from that era was Andy Weatherall. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2024 10:21:15 GMT
I get where you are coming from but I don't think it was all about race or colour at all. A lot of it was to do with a desire to be getting down with the youth by promoting radical new genres at the expense of existing ones. Rap and hip hop - which I detest - was a part of that but so was a lot of other shite like forms of dance music designed to appeal to the rave scene whose artistes were mostly white. Also the banal outpourings of Stock, Aitken and Waterman who were all white and the majority of whose artistes were white. So to view this as racist inspired is an error in my view. It was all about promoting and pandering to youth culture, by focussing on anything radically new. Which is the reason why we heard so much punk, new wave and synthi-pop in the late 70s and early 80s. But I don't recall there ever being a problem with Morrisey records being played, nor groups like Dire Straits or Talking Heads. I personally found Morrisey overrated, irritating and boring, so noticed how often I inwardly groaned as it appeared on the radio yet again. If anything Morrisey was overated and over played. There was however a time in the late 80s when rap crap was being rammed down our throats and the later 80s was when I gave up following the charts. Because if it wasn't rap crap it was Stock, Aitken and Waterman. I do recall a decision by Radio One to cease promoting Status Quo in spite of their continuing popularity in the charts. And that is because very few people under 25 were buying their records at the time. They made a decision to pander to youth and left everyone else to radio 2. I didn't mention specifically racism (i think it is even more pernicious than mere racism), but I think you are rather trying your best here to fallaciously exclude it as a possibility. Smiths fans were also young. You are trying skirt around the obvious implication that these people were attempting to force popularity on the public where it wasn't apparent Well my own recollection is of the Smiths being played often on the radio so I fail to recognise any truth in the allegation that their records didn't get played. Indeed I recall some DJs regularly singing the praises of this overrated band. What I do recall distincly from about the mid 70s (when I was old enough to have some interest in and understanding of the music scene) onwards, the music that got most airtime was always the latest genres - punk, new wave, 70s disco, synthi-pop, and two tone, which later gave way to synthesized dance music, new romantics, rap, SAW and hip hop. These in turn declined as they were supplanted by Britpop. And they have always been trying to force popularity on the public, but in the interests of the new which they were always looking for rather than in the interests of some imagined pernicious culture war. I think you are trying your best here to fallaciously identify a pernicious culture war motive when there was none. But hard rightists like you are always doing that so par for the course really. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 8, 2024 10:26:50 GMT
If you watch the link in the OP … you will realise this discussion is more about P.Diddy and his paedophilia and sexploitation surrounding Hollywood and the Music Industry … and not the merits of Hip-hop versus other genres of music. … eg. Punk, Dance and Rock n Roll - which flirted with anarchy.
Morrissey is not in any way connected to the activities of “Poof” Daddy. … so why distract discussing him in this context?
… You will have to defend yourselves in court if he takes action and sues … from you referring to him here.
I’m more interested to discuss the gangsterism, drugs, threats and anarchy of hip-hop and black cultural racism in general … while questioning why the BBC promoted it heavily with Westwood’s shows on Radio 1. … (just Google what he was prosecuted for) …
What bugs me is knowing the Establishment sat on evidence for 30 years … and nothing was done … as the no. of victims increased and children disappeared. … like Madeleine McCann in Europe … it seems this paedophile network is worldwide, with incredible power at the highest levels.
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With what has been dropped here so far … the Putin allegations are for the Russian people to address …. and a ‘distraction here’ … a discussion for another thread … that Vinny can link to if he has more detailed evidence than just the Independent newspaper reports ??
We seem to just see one clip of Putin acting oddly … in a similar manner to James Cordon with Justin Bieber.
We know sex trafficking in Russia is a major industry they imported into Europe when these ‘gangsters’ were exiled … and it now riddles all parts of the West … as our Establishments embraced the practice … and failed to shut down these operations … just let them run … alongside Special Branch’ operations in some UK locations where children’s homes were targeted.
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Vinny’s pics and Links show many ‘celebs’ hung with P Diddy and Epstein … and were photographed with them … naturally, they will all be ‘running for the hills’ now the details of these ‘After Parties’ and what went on there is flooding out.
From one of Vinny’s links:
“ A go-go dancer, Adria Sheri English, has come forward with allegations against Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs, claiming that she was coerced into sexual acts during his exclusive parties for the entertainment of his A-list guests, which included high-profile figures such as Donald Trump, Diana Ross, and Rev. Al Sharpton.
A Daily Mail report cited English's claims that she was pressured into engaging in sexual acts with prominent individuals at the music mogul's parties, which were often held at his annual “White Party” in the Hamptons, as well as at other events in Miami. These acts, she alleges, took place in secluded rooms away from the main festivities, with many guests likely unaware of the illicit activities.”
The big question is: Was this the time when Trump was a ‘bad boy’ running with Democrats and partying with Dems ?? … before he switched sides … saw something he didn’t like in himself … and them …… and had an ‘epiphany moment’ in his life? … became a Republican? … after witnessing in which direction “Poof” Daddy and Hillary Clinton were behaving at these After Parties …. when the clock struck 1am … and the Ball became a backroom ‘satanic’ bacchanalia ??
I understand P Daddy voted mostly Democrat during these years … as did most Blacks … before they realised Obama and the Zionist-funded Dems did next to nothing - token gestures for Black Communities - except endorsing racist rioting @ druggy George Floyd … I remember a group of rappers suddenly woke up … and switched to Trump in the run up to 2020 … after he lobbied them to understand Zionists and Dems don’t do ‘race relations’.
I’m not going to even attempt to determine which people did what … and where … it will all come out in the wash … even if P.Diddy is ‘assassinated’ … or put on a prison wing with an Authority-assisted suicide programme - the film footage is all there now in FBI hands … or on the Dark Web.
[Remember the suicide watch programme Epstein was forced to join? … just when his prison video system ‘broke for an hour’.🤔]
When it comes to judging politicians and celebs + even Royals behaving badly … Goalposts are always shifting … one minute they appear to be with young people of Legal Age - which varies from Country to U.S. State(16-21?) younger in some Countries … pictured with people who appear even in video to be genuinely consenting - yet hiding behind a veneer … threatened into silence by their ‘controllers’ // ‘pimps’ …
You have the very young Justin Bieber … children lured by dreams of a career, money … powerful friends … then suddenly things escalate beyond their imagination
…. and they end up ‘screwed’ in so many ways … way beyond their worst nightmares … by so many people they thought were their ‘heroes’. 🫣
…. with the FBI /😎/ CIA just a phone-call away …. but a response time of 30+ years … before they show up and arrest these abusers and suspect murderers.
No wonder the Western Deep State 😎‘security forces’ are having trouble recruiting … with so much that’s rotten … at the very top of this dirty corrupt evil NWO PYRAMID - funded and controlled by the usual suspects … Israeli dual passport holders mostly. … Jerusalem used to be the bolt hole where so many run to escape the JUSTICE ordinary innocent people seek.
No surprise Jerusalem is the RAPE CAPITAL of the World.
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Post by Orac on Oct 8, 2024 11:34:05 GMT
I get where you are coming from but I don't think it was all about race or colour at all. A lot of it was to do with a desire to be getting down with the youth by promoting radical new genres at the expense of existing ones. Rap and hip hop - which I detest - was a part of that but so was a lot of other shite like forms of dance music designed to appeal to the rave scene whose artistes were mostly white. Also the banal outpourings of Stock, Aitken and Waterman who were all white and the majority of whose artistes were white. So to view this as racist inspired is an error in my view. It was all about promoting and pandering to youth culture, by focussing on anything radically new. Which is the reason why we heard so much punk, new wave and synthi-pop in the late 70s and early 80s. But I don't recall there ever being a problem with Morrisey records being played, nor groups like Dire Straits or Talking Heads. I personally found Morrisey overrated, irritating and boring, so noticed how often I inwardly groaned as it appeared on the radio yet again. If anything Morrisey was overated and over played. There was however a time in the late 80s when rap crap was being rammed down our throats and the later 80s was when I gave up following the charts. Because if it wasn't rap crap it was Stock, Aitken and Waterman. I do recall a decision by Radio One to cease promoting Status Quo in spite of their continuing popularity in the charts. And that is because very few people under 25 were buying their records at the time. They made a decision to pander to youth and left everyone else to radio 2. Status Quo was musically moronic. Talking Heads though were brilliant and one of the most original of bands. The rave scene was home grown. It was a free market. Before that the music industry was controlled by the likes of EMI etc. It wasa a dirty game and that was why the pruduce was crap. In a sesne you could claim Japs invented rave. They brought the price of studio equipment within the reach of the private individuals, and in his bedroom he never had a manager telling him what to play. Sure there was a lot of crap as well, but there was just a lot of everything and out of that soup emerged brilliant creations, far better than any coporation could do. At this point the Tories decided to protect their corporations by banning it. It goes to show you the kind of country we live in. A typical creative genius from that era was Andy Weatherall. I think the point made is that, it shouldn't matter to a radio station, or a hedge fund with controlling interests in multiple radio stations, whether the music is 'moronic'. Their only interest should be in its popularity (bums on seats for advertisers). So, for instance, whole large groups of radio stations carefully avoiding playing chart music, in preference for non-chart music, would require some kind of explanation. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 8, 2024 11:45:52 GMT
No music is moronic.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 8, 2024 11:53:12 GMT
Status Quo was musically moronic. Talking Heads though were brilliant and one of the most original of bands. The rave scene was home grown. It was a free market. Before that the music industry was controlled by the likes of EMI etc. It wasa a dirty game and that was why the pruduce was crap. In a sesne you could claim Japs invented rave. They brought the price of studio equipment within the reach of the private individuals, and in his bedroom he never had a manager telling him what to play. Sure there was a lot of crap as well, but there was just a lot of everything and out of that soup emerged brilliant creations, far better than any coporation could do. At this point the Tories decided to protect their corporations by banning it. It goes to show you the kind of country we live in. A typical creative genius from that era was Andy Weatherall. I think the point made is that, it shouldn't matter to a radio station, or a hedge fund with controlling interests in multiple radio stations, whether the music is 'moronic'. Their only interest should be in its popularity (bums on seats for advertisers). So, for instance, whole large groups of radio stations carefully avoiding playing chart music, in preference for non-chart music, would require some kind of explanation. The bastards were all trying to turn us gay at the time with freaks like Boy George. Rave followed punk, where the ehtos of punk was DIY. However it was more intelligent than punk as punk was an anarchist thing. It eventually blew their shit out of the water, so the corporations had to pretend to support it, and as they did they created "vocal house" which was trying t pull it back into their domain of basiclaly brainwasiing the population by controlling the music it listened to. I think the whole thing was being deliberatly killed off by about 97. After that they used rave to place subliminal dodgy messeages in the music. Radio One was one of these where you could spot it if you had a keen ear. Ther are no limits to the depths of depraverty these corportate savages will go to in order to control us. The Sun newspaper was spreading total lies about it claiming there was trouble at these raves where there was less trouble by far than any similar corporate event. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 8, 2024 13:52:46 GMT
What's so hard to understand?
P Diddy is a paedophile.
His friend Donald Trump who attended his parties (after Trump became a Republican) is a paedophile.
Donald Trump's friend Epstein was a paedophile.
Donald Trump's friend Vladimir Putin is a paedophile.
P Diddy and Donald Trump part of a ring? Looks like it.
There are rape allegations against all of them.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 9, 2024 10:20:30 GMT
…. And now Will Smith and Family are facing serious allegations from son Jaden and daughter Willow …
… This series of clips was dropped 2 months ago … completely blowing apart Smith’s sham marriage and sexuality. … with allegations showing more Hollywood stars using children as a ‘commodity’ … Did he really “pimp” his kids out to “mentor” Puff Daddy??
…. really shocking. 🫣
Super bad parenting!
(This piece has been edited to conform to Youtube editorial constraints.)
[Check out the funny comment about Will’s member @12min 😂 … We are not presenting any evidence here backing up that small point in this serious discussion.]
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Post by Vinny on Oct 9, 2024 11:14:32 GMT
What a load of rubbish.
Meanwhile, you have started distracting from the links between Diddy and Trump, Trump and Epstein and Trump and Putin.
All of whom are genuine paedophiles.
There are no good nonces. You are defending two.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 9, 2024 12:19:25 GMT
None of this is new . It’s been going on forever .
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