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Post by see2 on Oct 6, 2024 13:10:49 GMT
is everyone outside of your delusional bubble classed as a rightist? What does "rightist" mean in political terms ? anyone not part of the new labour cult? Yet anther thread that will be smeared by c2's shit...He cant even define the hard right FFS..And there are bloody pages of his excuses and lies.... If Rightists like you didn't post a pack of lies ^^ they'd have fu** all to say. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 7, 2024 10:16:41 GMT
The effects of this wont be felt for 99 years like Hong Kong, the base will have to go. In the global game of chess for power this is a big mistake. To voluntarily hand it over is so British, doing the right thing tally ho!. Surely the British are in a league of their own, occupation is 99 per cent of the law.
Can you see China handing back islands that they have illegally occupied?, there are many in the asian seeas.
No.
BUT BRITAIN WILL. The leeft are our enemies.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 8, 2024 9:21:15 GMT
Labour could lose the next GE whithout losing a single voter. corbyn showed that in reverse , when he took over half a million more voters than starmer , and lost in 2019 , and over three million more in 2017 and lost. It's incredible watching labour plummet to the depths in such a short space of time , and we are barely into their governance. I think labour are going to lose loads of voters from their shallow pool of 20% of the electorate. Is it really that incredible though Who says labour 'won' the last election. Only an idiot can seriously think Tory grassroots hatred of the snake oiled Indian will continue to give Labour a boost once he is ejected from his position of power next month. From then on whoever takes over has 36 months to develop the strategy to unseat Two Tier Kier Hopefully they will fail miserably and accept their place in the mortuary as the victim of Sunak's antics, and another, less hostile to the areas of the UK handed to the devolved left by Blair will arise and reap the votes of said constituents.... |
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Post by see2 on Oct 8, 2024 19:30:48 GMT
corbyn showed that in reverse , when he took over half a million more voters than starmer , and lost in 2019 , and over three million more in 2017 and lost. It's incredible watching labour plummet to the depths in such a short space of time , and we are barely into their governance. I think labour are going to lose loads of voters from their shallow pool of 20% of the electorate. Is it really that incredible though Who says labour 'won' the last election. Only an idiot can seriously think Tory grassroots hatred of the snake oiled Indian will continue to give Labour a boost once he is ejected from his position of power next month. From then on whoever takes over has 36 months to develop the strategy to unseat Two Tier Kier Hopefully they will fail miserably and accept their place in the mortuary as the victim of Sunak's antics, and another, less hostile to the areas of the UK handed to the devolved left by Blair will arise and reap the votes of said constituents.... Blair really did get under your skin with his invitation to computer 'experts' from India. Don't you realize that you are the one who is suffering from that disagreement? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Oct 8, 2024 20:11:59 GMT
Starmer refuses to rule out signing away Gibraltar and the FalklandsSir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out ending British control of Gibraltar and the Falklands, But did he actually "rule it in". Because this feels very much like a "Red Rackham refuses to seek counselling for beating his dog" type headline. Now, you ate going to say "I don't need to, I don't beat my dog". but that notional headline is already out there. PS: Starmer HAS betrayed the left-wing though - he is a Thatcher-Lite-Tory like the other Labour traitor, Blair. All The Best |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 8, 2024 20:29:20 GMT
The governmentm Minister responsible for overseas territories has categorically stated that the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar are completely different situations to the Chagos Islands, and that there are no plans to open any discussions with either Argentina or Spain.
Once again, posters are attempting to create a story where there is no story
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Post by Bentley on Oct 8, 2024 20:30:40 GMT
Starmer refuses to rule out signing away Gibraltar and the FalklandsSir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out ending British control of Gibraltar and the Falklands, But did he actually "rule it in". Because this feels very much like a "Red Rackham refuses to seek counselling for beating his dog" type headline. Now, you ate going to say "I don't need to, I don't beat my dog". but that notional headline is already out there. PS: Starmer HAS betrayed the left-wing though - he is a Thatcher-Lite-Tory like the other Labour traitor, Blair. All The Best Iirc you like to press people into ‘ condemning ‘ something and claiming that they must support it if they don’t condemn it . Using your own logic if Starmer doesn’t rule out ending British control then he may be considering it. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 8, 2024 20:32:16 GMT
The governmentm Minister responsible for overseas territories has categorically stated that the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar are completely different situations to the Chagos Islands, and that there are no plans to open any discussions with either Argentina or Spain. Once again, posters are attempting to create a story where there is no story That doesn’t mean that there will not be plans ,only that they are different situations . |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 8, 2024 20:49:35 GMT
Grasping at straws
The dispute concerning The Chagos Islands was always a dispute between the exiled inhabitants and the government of the United Kingdom. The inhabitants were not given any choice, they were forced from the Island by the British.
They ( the Chagosians ) now have the opportunity to go back to their homeland if they so choose, therefore a WRONG has at last been put RIGHT.
Then, a separate issue is the legal issue, both the UN and the International Court have ruled that the United Kingdom did not have legal sovereignty over the Chagos Islands for very good reason ... that very good reason is because The Chagos Islands were part of, and belonged to the colony of Mauritius, which was given independence in 1970 WITHOUT the Chagos Islands.
I have explained all of this previously, but for whatever reason it just wont sink in, there is no similarity to Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands, not by any stretch of the imagination.
Keir Starmer has not ruled out going to war with Luxembourg, or handing the Isles of Scilly over to France, and thats how stupid the premise is ... that he has not ruled out talking to Argentina about the Falkland Islands.
Not only is there no factual evidence for such a claim, there's also no circumstantial eveidence, its just nonsense.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 8, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
Grasping at straws The dispute concerning The Chagos Islands was always a dispute between the exiled inhabitants and the government of the United Kingdom. The inhabitants were not given any choice, they were forced from the Island by the British. They ( the Chagosians ) now have the opportunity to go back to their homeland if they so choose, therefore a WRONG has at last been put RIGHT. Then, a separate issue is the legal issue, both the UN and the International Court have ruled that the United Kingdom did not have legal sovereignty over the Chagos Islands for very good reason ... that very good reason is because The Chagos Islands were part of, and belonged to the colony of Mauritius, which was given independence in 1970 WITHOUT the Chagos Islands. I have explained all of this previously, but for whatever reason it just wont sink in, there is no similarity to Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands, not by any stretch of the imagination. Keir Starmer has not ruled out going to war with Luxembourg, or handing the Isles of Scilly over to France, and thats how stupid the premise is ... that he has not ruled out talking to Argentina about the Falkland Islands. Not only is there no factual evidence for such a claim, there's also no circumstantial eveidence, it’s just nonsense. So you ignore that the islanders don’t want to belong to Mauritius,any acknowledgment of that. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 8, 2024 21:04:12 GMT
Grasping at straws The dispute concerning The Chagos Islands was always a dispute between the exiled inhabitants and the government of the United Kingdom. The inhabitants were not given any choice, they were forced from the Island by the British. They ( the Chagosians ) now have the opportunity to go back to their homeland if they so choose, therefore a WRONG has at last been put RIGHT. Then, a separate issue is the legal issue, both the UN and the International Court have ruled that the United Kingdom did not have legal sovereignty over the Chagos Islands for very good reason ... that very good reason is because The Chagos Islands were part of, and belonged to the colony of Mauritius, which was given independence in 1970 WITHOUT the Chagos Islands. I have explained all of this previously, but for whatever reason it just wont sink in, there is no similarity to Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands, not by any stretch of the imagination. Keir Starmer has not ruled out going to war with Luxembourg, or handing the Isles of Scilly over to France, and thats how stupid the premise is ... that he has not ruled out talking to Argentina about the Falkland Islands. Not only is there no factual evidence for such a claim, there's also no circumstantial eveidence, it’s just nonsense. Has he been asked about Luxembourg or ‘ Scilly ‘. I assume Starmer has been asked about the Falklands and Gibraltar. What is stupid is finding a straw man way outside the context of the point made. |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 8, 2024 21:15:13 GMT
Grasping at straws The dispute concerning The Chagos Islands was always a dispute between the exiled inhabitants and the government of the United Kingdom. The inhabitants were not given any choice, they were forced from the Island by the British. They ( the Chagosians ) now have the opportunity to go back to their homeland if they so choose, therefore a WRONG has at last been put RIGHT. Then, a separate issue is the legal issue, both the UN and the International Court have ruled that the United Kingdom did not have legal sovereignty over the Chagos Islands for very good reason ... that very good reason is because The Chagos Islands were part of, and belonged to the colony of Mauritius, which was given independence in 1970 WITHOUT the Chagos Islands. I have explained all of this previously, but for whatever reason it just wont sink in, there is no similarity to Gibraltar or the Falkland Islands, not by any stretch of the imagination. Keir Starmer has not ruled out going to war with Luxembourg, or handing the Isles of Scilly over to France, and thats how stupid the premise is ... that he has not ruled out talking to Argentina about the Falkland Islands. Not only is there no factual evidence for such a claim, there's also no circumstantial eveidence, it’s just nonsense. So you ignore that the islanders don’t want to belong to Mauritius,any acknowledgment of that. So where did you get that idea from ? When the Chagos Islanders were evicted from the islands, they were Mauritians, they were citizens of the British colony of Mauritius. and now that the Chagos Islands are going to be returned to Mauritius, it means that the exiled Chagosians who campaigned for decades against what the UK had done, can now go back if they want to, and continue to live as Mauritians, on the Chagos Islands. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 8, 2024 21:18:27 GMT
Starmer refuses to rule out signing away Gibraltar and the FalklandsSir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out ending British control of Gibraltar and the Falklands, But did he actually "rule it in". Because this feels very much like a "Red Rackham refuses to seek counselling for beating his dog" type headline. Now, you ate going to say "I don't need to, I don't beat my dog". but that notional headline is already out there. He was asked a simple question and declined to answer - hence Red's post is perfectly correct. It's not as though it is a difficult question, scores of politicians from all parties have had no trouble answering it for decades. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 8, 2024 21:35:46 GMT
So you ignore that the islanders don’t want to belong to Mauritius,any acknowledgment of that. So where did you get that idea from ? When the Chagos Islanders were evicted from the islands, they were Mauritians, they were citizens of the British colony of Mauritius. and now that the Chagos Islands are going to be returned to Mauritius, it means that the exiled Chagosians who campaigned for decades against what the UK had done, can now go back if they want to, and continue to live as Mauritians, on the Chagos Islands. Where do I get that idea from? HERE |
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 8, 2024 21:40:30 GMT
Can ANY Prime Minister of any political persuassion absolutely rule out that there will never be any circumstances in which the UK would ever discuss sovereignty of either the Falkland Islands or Gibraltar. ?
What if ?
What if Spain created a hard border again between Spain and Gibraltar, which would without doubt create massive problems for Gibraltarians. What if Spain proposed a referendum in Gibraltar whereby the citizens could retain British citizenship in Spanish Gibraltar, and with guarantees on their way of life, language etc.
At the end of tha day, anyone would be a fool to rule anything out, because you can't.
The decisions on both the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar as to their sovereignty and nationality lie with the people who live there, its called "Self Determination".
There's not a shred of evidence that the PM is going to go behind the backs of the Falkland Islanders or the Gibraltarians and hand give them away without the residents consent - and posters know that I am right.
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