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Post by happyjack on Oct 4, 2024 20:45:47 GMT
I didn’t say that in that very sentence. I said, as you quote above, that someone whose first thought is “illegals immigrant” and not for the victim and what she endured is worthy of our deepest contempt”.
There is a point where most of us would turn our thoughts to the perpetrator, but not straight away. At some point in that process I imagine most of us would contemplate his background and current circumstances and, given his name and the current political climate, would have asked ourselves what his resident status was. I know that I would have done that although, even then, I wouldn’t have automatically pounced on “illegal immigrant” as my ‘go to’ option.
Thinking first about the perpetrator’s resident status rather than the poor victim and what she must have gone through, and going straight to thinking of him being an “illegal immigrant”, is obsessive and twisted.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2024 21:11:13 GMT
I didn’t say that in that very sentence. I said, as you quote above, that someone whose first thought is “illegals immigrant” and not for the victim and what she endured is worthy of our deepest contempt”. There is a point where most of us would turn our thoughts to the perpetrator, but not straight away. At some point in that process I imagine most of us would contemplate his background and current circumstances and, given his name, would have asked ourselves what his resident status was. I know that I would have done that although, even then, I wouldn’t have automatically pounced on “illegal immigrant” as my ‘go to’ option. Nonsense . You are nitbpicking and virtue signalling at the same time . There is nothing contemptible in wondering about what kind of person would do such a thing and contemplating whether they were an illegal immigrant, especially if one has noticed the name . Ironically you are using a ‘ go to’ ( or knee jerk ) option of automatically pouncing on a perfectly reasonable first thought and claiming it to be contemptible. |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 4, 2024 21:22:49 GMT
No, I am not. That was what I said in my very first post and that has been my position throughout this discussion. If you failed to recognise that then don’t blame me because I said it often enough. If ‘illegal immigrant’ was anybody’s first reaction ( you included);when reading about what happened to that woman rather than feeling an immediate and overwhelming sense of distress, then shame on them. Their anti-immigrant obsession has become so bad that it has fucked them up big time to the point where they no longer behave like decent and compassionate human beings.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 4, 2024 21:27:10 GMT
Indeed, you don't understand the point.
Now off you go. There's a chap.
Alternatively, you could try to expand upon or explain your point and maybe influence opinions. I am sure that I am not the only one who has struggled to follow your sparsely worded contributions. However, what I do know, whether you choose to do so or not, is that anyone whose first thought, when hearing about this poor woman’s terrible ordeal, is to think “ illegal immigrant” is worthy of nothing but our deepest contempt So you think that the mass importation of people who don't share our values, and consider women to be beneath them, has no bearing on crimes of this nature?
So no, your point is null.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2024 21:29:21 GMT
No, I am not. That was what I said in my very first post and that has been my position throughout this discussion. If you failed to recognise that then don’t blame me because I said it often enough. If ‘illegal immigrant’ was anybody’s first reaction ( you included);when reading about what happened to that woman rather than feeling an immediate and overwhelming distress, then shame on them. Yes you are . You are posting utter sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense . You are posting via a delusional and subjective mindset that assumes you own the moral high ground. |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 4, 2024 21:52:19 GMT
No I am not - and I certainly do occupy the moral high ground over those whose first thought, when reading the article above, was “illegal immigrant”. If people want to salve their consciences with accusations of ‘sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense’ or the like then that’s up to them but the bottom line will still be that their anti-immigrant obsession has become so bad that it has fucked them up big time to the point where they no longer respond to situations such as this like decent and compassionate human beings.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2024 22:30:29 GMT
No I am not - and I certainly do occupy the moral high ground over those whose first thought, when reading the article above, was “illegal immigrant”. If people want to salve their consciences with accusations of ‘sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense’ or the like then that’s up to them but the bottom line will still be that their anti-immigrant obsession has become so bad that it has fucked them up big time to the point where they no longer respond to situations such as this like decent and compassionate human beings. As I said . You are merely suffering from a virtue signallers knee jerk reaction. It entails the assumption that if one’s first reaction is to ponder if the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant it automatically means that one has no or little sympathy for the victim. Its a delusional assumption for those who believe they hold the moral highground by default because they ‘ care’. |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 4, 2024 22:48:19 GMT
No, as I said, If people want to salve their consciences with accusations of ‘sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense’ or the like then that’s up to them but the bottom line will still be that their anti-immigrant obsession has become so bad that it has fucked them up big time to the point where they no longer respond to situations such as this like decent and compassionate human beings.
And I didn’t say that these people have little or no sympathy for the victim. They are not monsters so I am sure that they do have sympathy, just not enough sympathy to trump their anti-immigrant obsession and the instincts that result from this as exemplified by those whose first thought was “illegal immigrant”.
BTW - despite what you said earlier, “illegal immigrant” is absolutely not a “perfectly reasonable first thought” here. That is the crux of whole argument, in fact.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 4, 2024 23:07:38 GMT
No, as I said, If people want to salve their consciences with accusations of ‘sanctimonious virtue signalling nonsense’ or the like then that’s up to them but the bottom line will still be that their anti-immigrant obsession has become so bad that it has fucked them up big time to the point where they no longer respond to situations such as this like decent and compassionate human beings. And I didn’t say that these people have little or no sympathy for the victim. They are not monsters so I am sure that they do have sympathy, just not enough sympathy to trump their anti-immigrant obsession and the instincts that result from this as exemplified by those whose first thought was “illegal immigrant”. BTW - despite what you said earlier, “illegal immigrant” is absolutely not a “perfectly reasonable first thought” here. That is the crux of whole argument, in fact. It is a perfectly reasonable first thought and to think otherwise is to be hamstrung by the delusion of owning the moral high ground. That is the crux of the argument and unfortunately you suffer from that very delusion . |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 4, 2024 23:32:39 GMT
It might seem like a perfectly reasonable first thought if you are an anti-immigration obsessive, but that would only be because your obsession has fucked you up to the point where you no longer recognise what is reasonable and what is not. Anyone whose first thought was “ illegal immigrant”, anyone who thinks that is a perfectly reasonable first response, or anyone who sets up a thread on a forum such as this, ostensibly about the incident, but who fails to express a single word of sympathy for the victim but just uses this horror incident as a pretext to have a go at illegal immigrants, left wing authorities, and Sadiq Khan, purely on the strength of the accused’s name and without anything else to go on, needs to have a good think about what their obsession has done to them.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2024 0:02:23 GMT
LOL And I am the one accused of not having self awareness and of not being able to remember what I have posted...The Evidence speaks for it's self stop playing the weakest link theres a chap... If you believe otherwise then back it up with evidence, not drivel, please. There is 7 bloody pages of it... |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 5, 2024 0:17:13 GMT
I remember what I have posted and I have done none of what you accuse me of. If you believe otherwise then back it up with evidence, not drivel, please. There is 7 bloody pages of it... Then, if you are telling the truth, you have plenty to choose from. Just pick out the worst 10 examples and let’s see if you are full of your usual shit or not. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2024 1:21:15 GMT
There is 7 bloody pages of it... Then, if you are telling the truth, you have plenty to choose from. Just pick out the worst 10 examples and let’s see if you are full of your usual shit or not. Your posts.........you read them |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 5, 2024 5:13:13 GMT
According to the Media there is CCTV Footage of the Rape on the Park Bench, the accused told Police she offered him oral sex for £10 and she was alive when he left her, according to the Crown she was totally unconscious through drink and drugs, cause of her death was an Heart Attack caused by his Penis putting pressure on a nerve in her throat.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 5, 2024 6:34:13 GMT
Mod Notice
Can we refrain from personal abuse or I will lock the thread.
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