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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2024 10:03:58 GMT
I'm sure the problems will increase under the present crock we have infesting the HOC BVL.. If Clacton is anything like a typical British town then you will have many councillors and others with state power screwing the system and stuffing their pockets.
Reform do not need statutory powers to fix these problems. They just need information. An example of how information can fix problems is with Coutts. Someone broke the law, and that someone was hoping no one would notice.
I am not sure if an MP has that power BVL....I guess they can bring it up in the HOC for debate tho... |
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Post by piglet on Oct 3, 2024 10:06:11 GMT
Its unusual for a high profile politician to be high profile before he becomes an MP, im sure most Clacton residents understand that. Farage needs a no 2 to addess concerns like bin collections, parking etc, so that he can them rubber stamp his no2s decisions.
To address bin collections in Clacton personally, while also doing what hes doing is impossible. He cant neglect it though, he needs re=election.
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 3, 2024 10:34:54 GMT
Well maybe the good people of Clacton will elected Reform councillors next year and as a Party Reform will be able to show what they can do on a local level
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 3, 2024 10:44:32 GMT
If Clacton is anything like a typical British town then you will have many councillors and others with state power screwing the system and stuffing their pockets.
Reform do not need statutory powers to fix these problems. They just need information. An example of how information can fix problems is with Coutts. Someone broke the law, and that someone was hoping no one would notice.
I am not sure if an MP has that power BVL....I guess they can bring it up in the HOC for debate tho... We can't say how a set of unknown problems can best be solved. The smart approach is in stage one acquire as much intelligence as possible because information is power. The Clacton MP's surgeries should have already started. If they don't start soon I can see Farage being removed form office in the next election. He will go down like Starmer: promise the earth and deliver FA. His actions now will decide his future. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2024 10:47:16 GMT
I am not sure if an MP has that power BVL....I guess they can bring it up in the HOC for debate tho... We can't say how a set of unknown problems can best be solved. The smart approach is in stage one acquire as much intelligence as possible because information is power. The Clacton MP's surgeries should have already started. If they don't start soon I can see Farage being removed form office in the next election. He will go down like Starmer: promise the earth and deliver FA. His actions now will decide his future. In a recent poll 53% of the remaining tories want to join reform thats is far more than anyone expected... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 3, 2024 11:16:30 GMT
We can't say how a set of unknown problems can best be solved. The smart approach is in stage one acquire as much intelligence as possible because information is power. The Clacton MP's surgeries should have already started. If they don't start soon I can see Farage being removed form office in the next election. He will go down like Starmer: promise the earth and deliver FA. His actions now will decide his future. In a recent poll 53% of the remaining tories want to join reform thats is far more than anyone expected... Reform made a lot of promises and Reform are on the up because of the shit other parties. Polls are always reporting past actions. In the past the only governance the electorate has allowed Reform is in the local councils which have less power now everything is centralised and follows Westminster diktat.
Now the situation is different. The public see Reform in Westminster. On the whole the public don't know shit about how the system works, but one thing they are able to conduct is the before and after test. Think washing powder sales techniques. "Before I started using this New Reform powder my shirts looked like this, and now with New Reform they are whiter than white." This is simple inference at work. Add in the Reform powder and compare the difference. This form of promotion would fail flat on its face if the new powder did just the same shite job as the old stuff.
So if I were Reform I would work with this idea, because this is how the electorate are going to see things. Imagine the next election where on YT and other coffee shops they say, hey wow, Clacton is really picking up now. I got a new job, got money coming in, the council do shit they never did before... It would be like salesmen's gold dust. Customer recommendations are worth many times the salesman's recommendations.
So having established that, it just remains for Reform to do the business. As I said, first step is do the market research. After you know what the problems are then you apply intelligence to solve them. You start with the idea it is possible to do the improvements. If you just say, sorry mate, we don't have enough MPs then it is bad workmen blaming their tools. You ideally need to be viewed as a magician. Clactonites ideally need to be saying, fuck me, I have no idea how Farage managed to do this, but whatever he did has really made a big difference. This to be followed by the thought, well why the fuck could the other MPs not manage it.
Here's a hint at what you can often do. In a run down area most of the bigwigs are fiddling the system somehow. If you knew that then you can knock them out of the game and as the duffers get ejected from councils and the like they would be forced to get more honest administrators which don't stuff their pockets with taxpayer's money. It's like buying a new car. You don't need to know how the engine management system works. You just need to know the car gets you from A to B. As with Reform, you don't need to know the how, just the what it achieves. It's the simple idea, if you vote Reform your area will benefit.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2024 11:42:05 GMT
In a recent poll 53% of the remaining tories want to join reform thats is far more than anyone expected... Reform made a lot of promises and Reform are on the up because of the shit other parties. Polls are always reporting past actions. In the past the only governance the electorate has allowed Reform is in the local councils which have less power now everything is centralised and follows Westminster diktat.
Now the situation is different. The public see Reform in Westminster. On the whole the public don't know shit about how the system works, but one thing they are able to conduct is the before and after test. Think washing powder sales techniques. "Before I started using this New Reform powder my shirts looked like this, and now with New Reform they are whiter than white. This is simple inference at work. Add in the Reform powder and compare the difference. This form of promotion would fail flat on its face if the new powder did just the same shite job as the old stuff.
So if I were Reform I would work with this idea, because this is how the electorate are going to see things. Imagine the next election where on YT and other coffee shops they say, hey wow, Clacton is really picking up now. I got a new job, got money coming in, the council do shit they never did before... It would be like salesmen's gold dust. Customer recommendations are worth many times the salesman's recommendations.
So having established that, it just remains for Reform to do the business. As I said, first step is do the market research. After you know what the problems are then you apply intelligence to solve them. You start with the idea it is possible to do the improvements. If you just say, sorry mate, we don't have enough MPs then it is bad workmen blaming their tools. You ideally need to be viewed as a magician. Clactonites ideally need to be saying, fuck me, I have no idea how Farage managed to do this, but whatever he did has really made a big difference. This to be followed by the thought, well why the fuck could the other MPs not manage it.
Here's a hint at what you can often do. In a run down area most of the bigwigs are fiddling the system somehow. If you knew that then you can knock them out of the game and as the duffers get ejected from councils and the like they would be forced to get more honest administrators which don't stuff their pockets with taxpayer's money. It's like buying a new car. You don't need to know how the engine management system works. You just need to know the car gets you from A to B. As with Reform, you don't need to know the how, just the what it achieves. It's the simple idea, if you voter Reform your area will benefit.
But it seems that reform have done what they stated in the lead up to the GE....It can only get better for them 24hours is a long time in politics as we all know...I think that the massive amount of tories who want to join reform came as a total surprise even to Farage... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 3, 2024 12:15:32 GMT
Reform made a lot of promises and Reform are on the up because of the shit other parties. Polls are always reporting past actions. In the past the only governance the electorate has allowed Reform is in the local councils which have less power now everything is centralised and follows Westminster diktat.
Now the situation is different. The public see Reform in Westminster. On the whole the public don't know shit about how the system works, but one thing they are able to conduct is the before and after test. Think washing powder sales techniques. "Before I started using this New Reform powder my shirts looked like this, and now with New Reform they are whiter than white. This is simple inference at work. Add in the Reform powder and compare the difference. This form of promotion would fail flat on its face if the new powder did just the same shite job as the old stuff.
So if I were Reform I would work with this idea, because this is how the electorate are going to see things. Imagine the next election where on YT and other coffee shops they say, hey wow, Clacton is really picking up now. I got a new job, got money coming in, the council do shit they never did before... It would be like salesmen's gold dust. Customer recommendations are worth many times the salesman's recommendations.
So having established that, it just remains for Reform to do the business. As I said, first step is do the market research. After you know what the problems are then you apply intelligence to solve them. You start with the idea it is possible to do the improvements. If you just say, sorry mate, we don't have enough MPs then it is bad workmen blaming their tools. You ideally need to be viewed as a magician. Clactonites ideally need to be saying, fuck me, I have no idea how Farage managed to do this, but whatever he did has really made a big difference. This to be followed by the thought, well why the fuck could the other MPs not manage it.
Here's a hint at what you can often do. In a run down area most of the bigwigs are fiddling the system somehow. If you knew that then you can knock them out of the game and as the duffers get ejected from councils and the like they would be forced to get more honest administrators which don't stuff their pockets with taxpayer's money. It's like buying a new car. You don't need to know how the engine management system works. You just need to know the car gets you from A to B. As with Reform, you don't need to know the how, just the what it achieves. It's the simple idea, if you voter Reform your area will benefit.
But it seems that reform have done what they stated in the lead up to the GE....It can only get better for them 24hours is a long time in politics as we all know...I think that the massive amount of tories who want to join reform came as a total surprise even to Farage... Reform's strong points in my opinion are that they had Tice and Habib run the party, and both of those are successful businessmen who run big businesses and know how to administer them. Farage is a totally useless administrator, like he has the talents of a child in this department, but on oratory he scores 10/10. What Reform must do is delegate tasks to those who know most about how to achieve them, so you don't ask Farage to administer and where Tice seems to fall down is he has some rather nutty political ideas. He seems to think this country should run like the army. Well if you want an example of that you can check North Korea or the Soviet Union, or even Mao's China.
So you really want a committee of top people and all who are on that are experts in at least one department. You want what in business is called a company board. Reform also have two bankers on the team. The older one is one of those who has questionable judgment, but the younger one was in investment banking on a very high salary, which I believe means he is a very smart investment banker. If you used intelligence such as his to make investment decisions on behalf of Clacton then Clacton would see its stock price go crazy. That's what it is all about. Clacton has so much money coming in each year. The trick is how to apportion those funds for the biggest bang for your bucks. There is a lot to learn in how to do it and chances are these duffers running the various aspects of Clacton are financially stupid.
So in short, Reform have the abilities you need. It's a matter of setting it all up. If I were they I would be very wary about accepting old failed Tory MPs into the party. It will be seen by the electorate as a process of poisoning it with past failure. Reform should have a USP, and in my mind probably the best one to be known for is in the recruitment of candidates. You do now want to recruit people who have been politicians all their lives. You wan to bring in talent who have detailed understanding of various UK industries and other organisations, and that includes the church. It should not be forgotten we are a Christian country, so ideally a vicar or bishop even should be on the board.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 3, 2024 12:22:56 GMT
But it seems that reform have done what they stated in the lead up to the GE....It can only get better for them 24hours is a long time in politics as we all know...I think that the massive amount of tories who want to join reform came as a total surprise even to Farage... Reform's strong points in my opinion are that they had Tice and Habib run the party, and both of those are successful businessmen who run big businesses and know how to administer them. Farage is a totally useless administrator, like he has the talents of a child in this department, but on oratory he scores 10/10. What Reform must do is delegate tasks to those who know most about how to achieve them, so you don't ask Farage to administer and where Tice seems to fall down is he has some rather nutty political ideas. He seems to think this country should run like the army. Well if you want an example of that you can check North Korea or the Soviet Union, or even Mao's China.
So you really want a committee of top people and all who are on that are experts in at least one department. You want what in business is called a company board. Reform also have two bankers on the team. The older one is one of those who has questionable judgment, but the younger one was in investment banking on a very high salary, which I believe means he is a very smart investment banker. If you used intelligence such as his to make investment decisions on behalf of Clacton then Clacton would see its stock price go crazy. That's what it is all about. Clacton has so much money coming in each year. The trick is how to apportion those funds for the biggest bang for your bucks. There is a lot to learn in how to do it and chances are these duffers running the various aspects of Clacton are financially stupid.
So in short, Reform have the abilities you need. It's a matter of setting it all up. If I were they I would be very wary about accepting old failed Tory MPs into the party. It will be seen by the electorate as a process of poisoning it with past failure. Reform should have a USP, and in my mind probably the best one to be known for is in the recruitment of candidates. You do now want to recruit people who have been politicians all their lives. You wan to bring in talent who have detailed understanding of various UK industries and other organisations, and that includes the church. It should not be forgotten we are a Christian country, so ideally a vicar or bishop even should be on the board.
Sorry BVL I disagree he is far from useless. When he was a EURO MP he laid into the EUSSR dictators and many of them slid down in their chairs when he got up to speak... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 3, 2024 23:24:24 GMT
Reform's strong points in my opinion are that they had Tice and Habib run the party, and both of those are successful businessmen who run big businesses and know how to administer them. Farage is a totally useless administrator, like he has the talents of a child in this department, but on oratory he scores 10/10. What Reform must do is delegate tasks to those who know most about how to achieve them, so you don't ask Farage to administer and where Tice seems to fall down is he has some rather nutty political ideas. He seems to think this country should run like the army. Well if you want an example of that you can check North Korea or the Soviet Union, or even Mao's China.
So you really want a committee of top people and all who are on that are experts in at least one department. You want what in business is called a company board. Reform also have two bankers on the team. The older one is one of those who has questionable judgment, but the younger one was in investment banking on a very high salary, which I believe means he is a very smart investment banker. If you used intelligence such as his to make investment decisions on behalf of Clacton then Clacton would see its stock price go crazy. That's what it is all about. Clacton has so much money coming in each year. The trick is how to apportion those funds for the biggest bang for your bucks. There is a lot to learn in how to do it and chances are these duffers running the various aspects of Clacton are financially stupid.
So in short, Reform have the abilities you need. It's a matter of setting it all up. If I were they I would be very wary about accepting old failed Tory MPs into the party. It will be seen by the electorate as a process of poisoning it with past failure. Reform should have a USP, and in my mind probably the best one to be known for is in the recruitment of candidates. You do now want to recruit people who have been politicians all their lives. You wan to bring in talent who have detailed understanding of various UK industries and other organisations, and that includes the church. It should not be forgotten we are a Christian country, so ideally a vicar or bishop even should be on the board.
Sorry BVL I disagree he is far from useless. When he was a EURO MP he laid into the EUSSR dictators and many of them slid down in their chairs when he got up to speak... I meant administration, as in managing the party, its finances and all the boring detail that has to be done. The EU parliament stuff was oratory skills, which I said he gets 10/10 for. I watched a web broadcast he did tonight and he was talking about net zero. He has not got a grip on the complexities of that. I mean just as one example he was comparing our leccy prices to the US and explaining manufacturing needs cheap energy. true enough for the second part, but an inconvenient truth he glosses over is that our energy has risen due to the Ukraine war. We were being supplied by the US and they were profiteering out of the Russian energy sanctions they forced us into. Besides there is a lot more to it than that and this is why the party needs experts to advise it. You can't criticise the other parties for doing the wrong thing when you yourself are highly inaccurate and for the most part ignorant. That's asking for trouble. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 3, 2024 23:58:54 GMT
Sorry BVL I disagree he is far from useless. When he was a EURO MP he laid into the EUSSR dictators and many of them slid down in their chairs when he got up to speak... I meant administration, as in managing the party, its finances and all the boring detail that has to be done. The EU parliament stuff was oratory skills, which I said he gets 10/10 for. I watched a web broadcast he did tonight and he was talking about net zero. He has not got a grip on the complexities of that. I mean just as one example he was comparing our leccy prices to the US and explaining manufacturing needs cheap energy. true enough for the second part, but an inconvenient truth he glosses over is that our energy has risen due to the Ukraine war. We were being supplied by the US and they were profiteering out of the Russian energy sanctions they forced us into. Besides there is a lot more to it than that and this is why the party needs experts to advise it. You can't criticise the other parties for doing the wrong thing when you yourself are highly inaccurate and for the most part ignorant. That's asking for trouble. Apologies for butting in, but as far as UK energy prices are concerned you're wrong. It's true that we are importing more electricity and gas than ever before, but that has very little to do with Ukraine. As far as energy is concerned, gas in particular, Putin's adventures in Ukraine affected the EU especially Germany a lot more than the UK. UK energy is an ever growing disaster and it is 100% a home grown disaster. It's political incompetence on a scale that is difficult to comprehend. The reason UK consumers are paying more than twice what US consumers are paying for electricity is because thanks largely to shale gas the US are energy self sufficient, indeed since 2022 the US have been exporting fracked shale gas to the UK. It's a joke. Make no mistake the UK has the ability and resources not only to be self sufficient, but to be a net exporter of gas. The BGS (British Geological Survey) have confirmed that we have decades worth, trillions of cubic metres of shale gas in the UK, and that's just known reserves. I belive Milliband is begining to back peddle on his net zero insanity. We'll see. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 4, 2024 9:55:20 GMT
I meant administration, as in managing the party, its finances and all the boring detail that has to be done. The EU parliament stuff was oratory skills, which I said he gets 10/10 for. I watched a web broadcast he did tonight and he was talking about net zero. He has not got a grip on the complexities of that. I mean just as one example he was comparing our leccy prices to the US and explaining manufacturing needs cheap energy. true enough for the second part, but an inconvenient truth he glosses over is that our energy has risen due to the Ukraine war. We were being supplied by the US and they were profiteering out of the Russian energy sanctions they forced us into. Besides there is a lot more to it than that and this is why the party needs experts to advise it. You can't criticise the other parties for doing the wrong thing when you yourself are highly inaccurate and for the most part ignorant. That's asking for trouble. Apologies for butting in, but as far as UK energy prices are concerned you're wrong. It's true that we are importing more electricity and gas than ever before, but that has very little to do with Ukraine. As far as energy is concerned, gas in particular, Putin's adventures in Ukraine affected the EU especially Germany a lot more than the UK. UK energy is an ever growing disaster and it is 100% a home grown disaster. It's political incompetence on a scale that is difficult to comprehend. The reason UK consumers are paying more than twice what US consumers are paying for electricity is because thanks largely to shale gas the US are energy self sufficient, indeed since 2022 the US have been exporting fracked shale gas to the UK. It's a joke. Make no mistake the UK has the ability and resources not only to be self sufficient, but to be a net exporter of gas. The BGS (British Geological Survey) have confirmed that we have decades worth, trillions of cubic metres of shale gas in the UK, and that's just known reserves. I belive Milliband is begining to back peddle on his net zero insanity. We'll see. I agree with you. Our fuckwits could not run a tap. It's unfair though to blame it on the technology. They technology can provide cheap energy. Yes shale gas is another factor. Also all our green energy is sold to us via the Norwegians. we don't own any of the infrastructure. We get shafted by them because the whole of Europe is short of energy as you say, especially Germany, so it puts up the price at which Norwegians can sell to us for and negates the huge advantage of energy security. No one can ban the wind from blowing or the sun from shining. |
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Post by bancroft on Oct 4, 2024 10:13:46 GMT
I have thought for some time that Farage is good as a political pundit yet being an MP with constituency responsibilities might destroy him. He needs a good support team if he is to pull it off.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 4, 2024 11:16:04 GMT
I have thought for some time that Farage is good as a political pundit yet being an MP with constituency responsibilities might destroy him. He needs a good support team if he is to pull it off. He needs expert advice, especially on energy, but the trouble is many of the experts are also lobbyists, so its the old game of, you need to be an expert to check if your expert is lying to you!
He said green energy is more expensive. The truth is it is the cheapest form of energy. We have old infrastructure. We must invest in new technology. Throughout Britain we have old technology. The London Underground is ancient. I was chatting to some experts on that and found out a lot of little known facts about the bodges in place.
I know only too well what using things past their expected lifetime is like because I moved into a house like that. You go to clean some tiles and they collapse in your hands. In the end you spend more effort on maintaining shit than it is worth, so you have to bite the bullet and think, I'm going to rebuild all the crap and replace it with new stuff.
In the UK we have not faced this realisation yet. HS2 was an attempt to rebuild, but Farage and Co made a career out of trying to stop it.
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Post by aristaeus on Oct 7, 2024 14:12:10 GMT
Farage hasn't held a single constituency meeting since being elected.
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