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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 9:21:41 GMT
I answered that point the first time you raised your first version of this question with me - and the second time when you raised your second version of this question too. Why do you keep asking the same thing in slightly different ways and each time say that I keep avoiding it when I have answered it at least twice and possibly more? It is you who is doing all of the avoiding here. your objections to multi lingual signs have been duly noted , and utterly dismissed as of no consequence. You keep whining , and both the Scottish and uk governments , along with many other governments worldwide , will carry on with multi lingual signage. I note that you avoided answering my question i.e. “ Why do you keep asking the same thing in slightly different ways and each time say that I keep avoiding it when I have answered it at least twice and possibly more? “. As I say above, it is you who is doing all the avoiding here. As for your sad attempt above at deflecting to avoid answering my question, if that’s what you think I have been saying then you are either being deliberately obtuse or you are once again displaying your inability to read, process and understand. Where have I said that I have objections to multi-lingual signs? You are just making things up again to avoid addressing something that you can’t credibly refute. You are the only person utterly dismissing anything here which, given your inability or unwillingness to process and understand what you read, as demonstrated by your comments above, is frankly meaningless. And where have I been whining? I have simply been pointing out the net detriment in adding Gaelic to the signs in question in a measured manner, so stop making things up in your usual Neddy way please. |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 9:47:39 GMT
while happy jack continues to flog the dead horse , I see Marr quickly backed down and apologised for his ignorance. While I dont like the man , or his ilk , its nice to see some brit nats , unlike others have a spine... However, the truly chilling thing is that upon making a public display of his ignorance and his contempt for a core piece of Scottish culture and an emblem of Scottish national identity, Marr was applauded by the Labour party delegates in attendance. Contempt for Scottish culture and nurturing of the Cringe is every bit as much a part of the DNA of the Labour party as it is for the Conservatives and the frothing Scottish supporters of the openly English nationalist Reform UK.
What is truly ridiculous and offensive is that public figures like Marr can receive attention and applause for their lack of knowledge of basic information about a key facet of Scottish culture which in any other nation would be taught in primary schools. Marr has now accepted that he was wrong and posted on Twitter: “Right. On the Gaelic business. Sometimes when good friends take you kindly to one side and explain patiently why you are completely wrong, you have to accept that you are completely wrong. I have long thought that what the great Scottish medieval poets called ‘inglis’ and the 20th century ones Lallans, is being pushed aside in modern memory and use… But I got overexcited and was wrong. Whatever is the Gaelic for sorry, that…”
Marr has at least admitted he was wrong on Gaelic, but it beggars belief that his objection to a Gaelic language sign in Haymarket train station was because he thought there ought to have been a sign in Scots instead of or as well as the Gaelic one. The very same people who object to Gaelic signage would just as vociferously object to signage in Scots, and in that regard it’s telling that Marr could not bring himself to call Scots, ScotsI have no idea why you are posting that OTT splurge and pointing it in my direction. Whatever Andrew Marr thinks or believes has nothing to do with my point which is entirely a technical one relating to good practice in sign messaging. I suspect that you don’t know why you pointed this splurge at me either but if you do then it once again demonstrates your inability to read, process and understand if you think it is in any way relevant to my point. My point has nothing to do with politics, at least as far as I am concerned. You, however, are clearly solely driven by your Indy posturing rendering you unable or unwilling to process and understand anything that you read that you perceive to be anti-Indy. It would be nice to think that you have the humility and integrity to recognise and acknowledge this but that’s a forlorn hope, obviously. Talk about not having a spine …! |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 9:57:55 GMT
I answered this earlier. Can you not read? I ask again, where did you answer … “ There is not a single person in Scotland who can only read and understand place names if they are written in Gaelic, nor is there a single person in Scotland who can read and understand place names written in Gaelic but cannot also read and understand place names written in English “ as you claim to have done above? |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 10:03:38 GMT
And, while you are at it, can you explain why you said that the British Government think it of use to add Gaelic text to our passports when, as you have already admitted, you have no evidence to support that claim.
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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 10:34:16 GMT
Also, can you explain why it enhances the effective communication of the core message of the signs in question here to add Gaelic as a 2nd language option. In amongst all of your huffing and puffing and attempted deflection over multi lingual road signs in various locations abroad, you have never even tried to address this key point, too wrapped up as you are in your Indy sensitivities. Perhaps you could do so now.
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Post by happyjack on Oct 2, 2024 22:52:44 GMT
That is a serious accusation so prove it. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 7:41:48 GMT
That is a serious accusation so prove it.read the thread. Andrew Marr criticises Gaelic on a sign , an article is published rubbishing his nonsensical claims , he backtracks and apologies , you enter the fray talking cac , putting forth your own personal unsubstantiated objection , when asked to provide evidence , you run away filling the thread with innuendo and your usual bullshit. How does providing multi lingual signage in scotland impede the user as you have claimed , where it doesn't appear to impede users in many other countries around the world ? If you cant provide evidence , one can only assume you are as ever making things up , and by default , lying. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 7:47:48 GMT
Also, can you explain why it enhances the effective communication of the core message of the signs in question here to add Gaelic as a 2nd language option. In amongst all of your huffing and puffing and attempted deflection over multi lingual road signs in various locations abroad, you have never even tried to address this key point, too wrapped up as you are in your Indy sensitivities. Perhaps you could do so now. gaidhlig is our heritage native language. For those who aren't interested , the core communication in the sign in conveyed in the language of the English. For others who are interested in scotland , the meaning behind the names of the land around us , or even interested in speaking and learning our native language , gaidhlig provides communication of the core message. would you like me to help show you how? you are letting your own paranoid british nationalism show here happy. you mean to tell me your british nationalism is that shallow and weak , you feel threatened by a minority language on a few road and rail signs?  |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 7:50:09 GMT
And, while you are at it, can you explain why you said that the British Government think it of use to add Gaelic text to our passports when, as you have already admitted, you have no evidence to support that claim. let me reply once again by saying I dont personally know the reasons why the british government feel it important to provide Gaelic and welsh on uk passports , but the point is , they do , therefore why cant the Scottish Welsh and northern irish parliaments do the same on other signs? Why do you feel threatened ? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 7:56:53 GMT
I ask again, where did you answer … “ There is not a single person in Scotland who can only read and understand place names if they are written in Gaelic, nor is there a single person in Scotland who can read and understand place names written in Gaelic but cannot also read and understand place names written in English “ as you claim to have done above? Everyone in scotland can read the place names in English , but the English language won't provide the meaning behind the place names. The older and by far much more numerous names around scotland are all Celtic language names , and to understand why these names exist , you have to have the language they were originally written in . Often , the English translation makes no sense , and gives no understanding . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 3, 2024 8:06:45 GMT
“ Almost everyone I know calls Glasgow by its proper name, including those in Glasgow and those on the east coast” and that “ I hear ‘glesga’ from time to time, but that always jars when I do, so seldom do I hear it” ? you are talking out of your arse , as any native scot will tell you. Im a native Glaswegian , I have family from Ayrshire to Angus , from caithness to paisley , and I can tell you colloquially , in every day use of the Scots tongue , in our nation , there are very few Scots , if any , who call Glasgow by its English language name. Only a non native scot , or some brit nat so warped out of his tree would possibly claim otherwise. So aye , im seriously asking you to prove that scots refer to Glasgow by its English language name. I repeat , the norm is either glesga , glesca , or glasgae . All variations in Scots of the native glaschu , the earliest from which can be found written in the 12th century.No cant , and I mean no cant , who is a native scot would refer to Glasgow as per the English language pronunciation , and if they did , locally they would be seen to be putting on airs and graces. So as ever happy , as both myself moray and jaydee have told you numerous times over the years , you are talking nonsense. par for the course though with you. |
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Post by happyjack on Oct 3, 2024 9:09:00 GMT
That is a serious accusation so prove it.read the thread. Andrew Marr criticises Gaelic on a sign , an article is published rubbishing his nonsensical claims , he backtracks and apologies , you enter the fray talking cac , putting forth your own personal unsubstantiated objection , when asked to provide evidence , you run away filling the thread with innuendo and your usual bullshit. How does providing multi lingual signage in scotland impede the user as you have claimed , where it doesn't appear to impede users in many other countries around the world ? If you cant provide evidence , one can only assume you are as ever making things up , and by default , lying. You are not getting away with that crock of shit non-response and none of your other pitiful shape-shifting and question-avoiding non-responses above matter while this goes unresolved. You accuse me of constantly lying. That is a serious and highly offensive accusation. This is your chance to prove me guilty of what you accuse me of by providing evidence that I constantly lie - so prove it. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 3, 2024 13:25:50 GMT
It's one thing to conserve our historical languages and traditions, but it's another thing entirely to weaponise regional languages and dialects for anti English bullying.
We are one people. We need to be able to work together and get along.
That means shared language, laws, taxes, and friendship.
Abolish the four kingdoms / principalities.
One Nation Conservative values.
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 10:03:58 GMT
read the thread. Andrew Marr criticises Gaelic on a sign , an article is published rubbishing his nonsensical claims , he backtracks and apologies , you enter the fray talking cac , putting forth your own personal unsubstantiated objection , when asked to provide evidence , you run away filling the thread with innuendo and your usual bullshit. How does providing multi lingual signage in scotland impede the user as you have claimed , where it doesn't appear to impede users in many other countries around the world ? If you cant provide evidence , one can only assume you are as ever making things up , and by default , lying. You are not getting away with that crock of shit non-response and none of your other pitiful shape-shifting and question-avoiding non-responses above matter while this goes unresolved. You accuse me of constantly lying. That is a serious and highly offensive accusation. This is your chance to prove me guilty of what you accuse me of by providing evidence that I constantly lie - so prove it.you constantly lie "by implication" and have done for years on these political forums. You put forth an opinion , as you have done on this thread that gaidhlig signs are confusing , and when asked to provide evidence run away and deflect. We had unionists in scotland ( for example as Marr has done) claim gaidhlig wasnt part of a particular area of Scotlands historical heritage , and when disproved , the argument falls flat on its face. They then move onto cost.....and it's pointed out the signs are simply replaced and gaidhlig added at little to no extra cost when repair or replacement is needed , and unionists once again run off with their tails between their legs to think again. now in this particular thread , you are moving onto "confusion" . Its point out most if not all countries in the world use multi lingual signs in one way or the other. Our English friends print multi lingual wording on the uk passports.......they use multi lingual signage at ports , historical sites , etc , and no one seems to be confused. Yet multi lingual signage somehow is confusing in scotland to one guy..........happy jack........ You are a bullshitter of the highest order . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 6, 2024 10:06:10 GMT
It's one thing to conserve our historical languages and traditions, but it's another thing entirely to weaponise regional languages and dialects for anti English bullying. We are one people. We need to be able to work together and get along. That means shared language, laws, taxes, and friendship. Abolish the four kingdoms / principalities. One Nation Conservative values. can you provide evidence vinny that gaidhlig language roadsigns are somehow anti English bullying? If you are that terrified of a minority language , on a roadsign , then all I can suggest is you man up , wipe your nose , and try and have a bit of backbone . |
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