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Post by Vinny on Oct 2, 2024 13:43:33 GMT
It would be very easy to only do popular things in order to actually remain popular, including spending money that in reality the country does not have, thereby increasing both the deficit and National Debt. This would be putting party before country For the time been at least, the new government is fairly unpopular, its what I fully expected, and the reason is because the government is aiming firstly to close down the financial black hole, and then secondly repair the damage done to our public services over the last 14 years. As someone who voted Labour, I am not in the slightest bit concerned at what the Polls say at this stage, I know the public are fickle, and will always vote for what is best for them personaly, without thinking beyond the horizon. The short sighted dont want unpopular policies announced, but yet they do want our NHS repaired and put back to how it was in 2010, so as we are only still in the Spring of this new government, see what happens in 2 or 3 years in the Autumn of this government and see what fruits we bare through the efforts. 14 years? We've been in deficit for most years since 2001, which is 23. Accept that part of our economic problems are a legacy of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. After all, they gave us fiasco after fiasco themselves. The only years this century where we have actually had budget surpluses at any point in the years were 2000, 2001, 2017, 2018 and 2019. The Tories have a better economic record than Labour, but COVID came as a shock and they weren't prepared. They fucked up and got clobbered at the ballot box for it. But don't misrepresent the economic credentials of Labour, they're abysmal. They're as fiscally Conservative as a credit card. |
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Post by wassock on Oct 2, 2024 15:15:17 GMT
Two sayings -
The grass is greener on the other side
Out of the frying pan and into the fire
The Conservatives weren't good by any stretch of the imagination but Labour are just utterly worse, hence why they never ever get my vote.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 2, 2024 16:11:25 GMT
2T Starmer's top donor Lord Alli under investigation...... The steaming piles top donor Lord Waheed Alli is being probed by a House of Lords watchdog over 'alleged non-registration of interests', it was disclosed today. The House of Lords Commissioners for Standards said the multi-millionaire businessman was being investigated over possible breaches of peers' code of conduct...... Lord Alli has recently found himself at the centre of a 'freebies' row engulfing the Prime Minister. He has donated thousands of pounds worth of clothing and glasses to Sir Keir, and has also provided free accommodation to the Labour premier. Under parliamentary rules, peers must register all their relevant interests and make sure any change in their relevant interests is registered within one month of the change. A new listing on the Commissioners' website today stated: 'Lord Alli – Alleged non-registration of interests leading to potential breaches of paragraphs 14(a) and 17 of the thirteenth edition of the Code of Conduct for Members of the House of Lords.' The only other peer listed as being under investigation is Baroness Mone, who has been caught up in a PPE scandal. A spokesman for the House of Lords said they did not comment on ongoing investigations.....
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2024 17:07:07 GMT
Mod notice
keep your posts civil
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 19:59:44 GMT
It would be very easy to only do popular things in order to actually remain popular, including spending money that in reality the country does not have, thereby increasing both the deficit and National Debt. This would be putting party before country For the time been at least, the new government is fairly unpopular, its what I fully expected, and the reason is because the government is aiming firstly to close down the financial black hole, and then secondly repair the damage done to our public services over the last 14 years. As someone who voted Labour, I am not in the slightest bit concerned at what the Polls say at this stage, I know the public are fickle, and will always vote for what is best for them personaly, without thinking beyond the horizon. The short sighted dont want unpopular policies announced, but yet they do want our NHS repaired and put back to how it was in 2010, so as we are only still in the Spring of this new government, see what happens in 2 or 3 years in the Autumn of this government and see what fruits we bare through the efforts. 14 years? We've been in deficit for most years since 2001, which is 23. Accept that part of our economic problems are a legacy of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling.
After all, they gave us fiasco after fiasco themselves. The only years this century where we have actually had budget surpluses at any point in the years were 2000, 2001, 2017, 2018 and 2019. The Tories have a better economic record than Labour, but COVID came as a shock and they weren't prepared. They fucked up and got clobbered at the ballot box for it. But don't misrepresent the economic credentials of Labour, they're abysmal. They're as fiscally Conservative as a credit card. Budget surpluses along side the reduction of NHS annual funding and the robbing of the reserve finances for hospital maintenance is a clear deception. Just how much more skullduggery has taken lace? The Tories did benefit from 9 years of austerity where the people were forced to reduce the deficit. Just as this government will have to reduce the hidden deficit left by the Tories. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 20:02:09 GMT
Two sayings - The grass is greener on the other side Out of the frying pan and into the fire The Conservatives weren't good by any stretch of the imagination but Labour are just utterly worse, hence why they never ever get my vote. Its just to soon to judge this government. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 2, 2024 20:05:34 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Oct 2, 2024 20:32:50 GMT
New £1bn fleet of trains left idle after trade union objected to windscreen wipers...... A £1 billion fleet of commuter trains has been left idle in storage for years after trade unions objected to the size of their windscreen wipers. Ninety Arterio trains were bought for South Western Railway (SWR) to replace 40-year-old ex-British Rail carriages that are still in use on commuter lines out of London Waterloo...... However, the Derby-built fleet has been delayed from entering full passenger service for years, partly because train drivers’ trade union Aslef raised objections to the size of its windscreen wipers, The Telegraph can disclose. Union reps claimed the wipers were so big that they blocked drivers’ views of the trackside signals used to tell trains when to stop and go. The Arterio train has one of the largest windscreens of any modern UK train, with other designs (such as the Siemens Desiro also used by SWR) restricting the driver to a small side window so a connecting gangway and door can be fitted beside him. Problems with couplers used to connect the trains together, electrical traction equipment, and even cab doors that “proved difficult to open” have also delayed the Arterios’ entry into use, according to Rail magazine.....
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Post by witchfinder on Oct 2, 2024 21:05:13 GMT
It would be very easy to only do popular things in order to actually remain popular, including spending money that in reality the country does not have, thereby increasing both the deficit and National Debt. This would be putting party before country For the time been at least, the new government is fairly unpopular, its what I fully expected, and the reason is because the government is aiming firstly to close down the financial black hole, and then secondly repair the damage done to our public services over the last 14 years. As someone who voted Labour, I am not in the slightest bit concerned at what the Polls say at this stage, I know the public are fickle, and will always vote for what is best for them personaly, without thinking beyond the horizon. The short sighted dont want unpopular policies announced, but yet they do want our NHS repaired and put back to how it was in 2010, so as we are only still in the Spring of this new government, see what happens in 2 or 3 years in the Autumn of this government and see what fruits we bare through the efforts. 14 years? We've been in deficit for most years since 2001, which is 23. Accept that part of our economic problems are a legacy of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling. After all, they gave us fiasco after fiasco themselves. The only years this century where we have actually had budget surpluses at any point in the years were 2000, 2001, 2017, 2018 and 2019. The Tories have a better economic record than Labour, but COVID came as a shock and they weren't prepared. They fucked up and got clobbered at the ballot box for it. But don't misrepresent the economic credentials of Labour, they're abysmal. They're as fiscally Conservative as a credit card. Budget surpluses are always recorded per Financial Year, and the last financial year that the UK saw a budget surplus was 2001 / 2002. Over the last 50 years there have been more budget suplus years under a Labour government than under a Conservative government. We often hear the claim that Labour are less responsible fiscaly than the Conservatives, but the evidence in modern times does not support that claim. The government of Blair improved public services and borrowed less than John Majors government, it was not until the world-wide recession of 2008-2009 that borrowing rose sharply under the premiership of Gordon Brown, borrowing caused by the shock to our economy. The borrowing ( necessary borrowing ) during the Pandemic under Boris Johnson was far higher than what Gordon Brown / Alistair Darling borrowed. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2024 22:13:12 GMT
Two sayings - The grass is greener on the other side Out of the frying pan and into the fire The Conservatives weren't good by any stretch of the imagination but Labour are just utterly worse, hence why they never ever get my vote. Its just to soon to judge this government. Indeed. And I think in most respects they are an improvement on what we had before, though the Winter Fuel Payment withdrawal hit too many people and was badly handled. Though taxes are high and resources are scarce. so not giving handouts to those well off enough not to need them is a good thing in principle |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 2, 2024 22:18:25 GMT
Its just to soon to judge this government. Indeed. And I think in most respects they are an improvement on what we had before, though the Winter Fuel Payment withdrawal hit too many people and was badly handled. Though taxes are high and resources are scarce. so not giving handouts to those well off enough not to need them is a good thing in principle So every pensioner not on pension credit doesn’t need them eh? FFS another leftie who wants to punish the less well off pensioners because there are wealthy ones. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 2, 2024 22:21:09 GMT
OK the the rumours about Steamer continue unabated “the shape of his family?”
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Post by Vinny on Oct 2, 2024 22:31:14 GMT
Labour started with Ken Clarke's surplus and squandered it.
They ran a deficit from 2001 - 2010 took us into an illegal war in Iraq, massively increased the size and cost of government, gave us shit laws we didn't need. And used the 2008-2009 global recession as an excuse for our August 2007 - 2010 recession.
Labour are even more shit than the Tories.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 2, 2024 23:10:53 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Oct 2, 2024 23:41:02 GMT
OK the the rumours about Steamer continue unabated “the shape of his family?” I wonder if Rayner is involved? |
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