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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 28, 2024 10:32:39 GMT
If you would like further details of who stole what then this documentary adds a few crucial facts to enable a full understanding of what went on. The British media never told the truth. It was a crime, but no one has been punished for it. One of the main criminals made £560m and lied under oath as well, but the US justice system protected him. Why?
This is a full hour long documentary.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 28, 2024 12:16:53 GMT
I just had an idea. People generally agree the 2008 crash affected markets across the globe. This is most likely because the dollar is the reserve currency so it was somewhat equivalent in nature to someone thieving from the entire system, and the country responsible for regulating it allowed the crime to take place. It's a bit like say you bank with a bank and the bank allows criminals to rob it, and then the loses of the crime are charged to all those that use the bank. Well this happens anyway where a business is subject to a certain percentage of theft will ultimately cause the customer to pay for it. The difference here is the one operating the system enabled the theft. This is s huge breach of trust and indeed after the 2008 crash it was lack of trust that seized up trading.
It has taken a few years for the world to understand this. News came in dribs and drabs as they desperately tried to cover up their crimes. One thing you learn in History is it is typically the case something can be covered up for a while, but not indefinitely. As people retire from their work, they become free to speak out. Now I know the News trains you to compartmentalise events, but you really shouldn't. Lets suppose you are a country who is not the US and you use this system. You could be worried it would happen again and all your financial holdings could vanish in a puff of fraud. Naturally you would start to think of ways to stop it happening again. You would be looking for a system that does not have anything controlling it form the US, either directly or via their agents. Now we are some 16 years on, and we hear a lot about BRICs building an alternative financial system. To understand why Brics has had so many offers to join from countries around the world, we really do need to travel back to 2008 to understand it. If true, then it would seem the US state has committed suicide. Suicide is a form of madness of course. The financial elite were smart enough to see the damage it would cause, but what they don't seem to have counted on is Russia and China banding together to replace them. They figured their game was the only game in town, which of course it was at the time.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 28, 2024 17:33:19 GMT
The idea of BRICs building an alternative financial system is fanciful - first they would need a reserve currency and the only possible one is the Renminbi which cannot become widely used for 3 main reasons: China has capital controls, the Chinese stock market does not have enough liquidity to support a reserve currency and finally China is not a democratic nation.
Hence the Renmenbi accounts for just 2% of the worlds currency reserves and most of that is held by Russia.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 29, 2024 13:04:17 GMT
The great British economist Keynes in WWII suggested a pool of currencies with weighted values, the US shot it down as they were in the ascendency and could make a lot of money by becoming the global lender as long as all resource prices were quoted in US$.
This is the challenge now as many oil countries shun the dollar and others do bilateral trades as they get fed up 'financing uncle Sam' with it dirty tricks and hypocritical and bullying behaviour as the 'global policeman'.
Not that does not mean the Chinese or Russians would be better though most little countries want a change from the US.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 29, 2024 13:31:53 GMT
If you would like further details of who stole what then this documentary adds a few crucial facts to enable a full understanding of what went on. The British media never told the truth. It was a crime, but no one has been punished for it. One of the main criminals made £560m and lied under oath as well, but the US justice system protected him. Why?
This is a full hour long documentary.
My understanding is that banks and other F.I.s were buying financial investments of MBEs mortgage backed equities. Now if these were good with the renters good tenants maybe would have worked. Yet the US was going through a cycle of leaking jobs to Asia and people lost their homes or could not pay the rent. This eventually leaked that these were bad investments and whoever held a lot found their asset base reduced via the mark to market investment rules. This then affected share prices which fell and then the companies involved needed more capital quickly now as many were leveraged to the max (profit) driven they were in a liquidity crisis that could see them going into admin and bankrutpcy. Now because of uncertainties that were not adequately settled with transactions like Swaps, Derivatives and OTCs fear swept through the markets as if a big player with these instruments with counter parties went under no-one knew where the risk would fall. This secondary market was massive. All the banks and FIs got majorly scared the system could fall so no-one wanted to lend and there was a major liquidity crisis with casualties before the govts stepped in with bail-outs to retore confidence yet national debt ballooned.
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Post by borchester on Sept 29, 2024 14:28:33 GMT
The banks lent a lot of money to people who could not pay back.
The bankers did that because they were and aren't very bright
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 15:00:22 GMT
If you would like further details of who stole what then this documentary adds a few crucial facts to enable a full understanding of what went on. The British media never told the truth. It was a crime, but no one has been punished for it. One of the main criminals made £560m and lied under oath as well, but the US justice system protected him. Why?
This is a full hour long documentary.
My understanding is that banks and other F.I.s were buying financial investments of MBEs mortgage backed equities. Now if these were good with the renters good tenants maybe would have worked. Yet the US was going through a cycle of leaking jobs to Asia and people lost their homes or could not pay the rent. This eventually leaked that these were bad investments and whoever held a lot found their asset base reduced via the mark to market investment rules. This then affected share prices which fell and then the companies involved needed more capital quickly now as many were leveraged to the max (profit) driven they were in a liquidity crisis that could see them going into admin and bankrutpcy. Now because of uncertainties that were not adequately settled with transactions like Swaps, Derivatives and OTCs fear swept through the markets as if a big player with these instruments with counter parties went under no-one knew where the risk would fall. This secondary market was massive. All the banks and FIs got majorly scared the system could fall so no-one wanted to lend and there was a major liquidity crisis with casualties before the govts stepped in with bail-outs to retore confidence yet national debt ballooned. You have not watched it then.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 29, 2024 15:12:05 GMT
No studied it majorly over a decade ago.
Just reading now that streaming for tv revenue is failing badly the money is not there so Hollywood is going through a depression.
The west NATO is getting its backside kicked too much corruption and cronyism coming home to roost.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2024 16:52:52 GMT
The banks lent a lot of money to people who could not pay back.
The bankers did that because they were and aren't very bright
In the USA bankes were dishing out mortgages like confetti on properties that didn't even exist..
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 29, 2024 17:29:34 GMT
The great British economist Keynes in WWII suggested a pool of currencies with weighted values, the US shot it down as they were in the ascendency and could make a lot of money by becoming the global lender as long as all resource prices were quoted in US$. This is the challenge now as many oil countries shun the dollar and others do bilateral trades as they get fed up 'financing uncle Sam' with it dirty tricks and hypocritical and bullying behaviour as the 'global policeman'. Not that does not mean the Chinese or Russians would be better though most little countries want a change from the US. I think this is more likely as the direction of travel - bilateral deals between individual nations.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 29, 2024 17:33:22 GMT
The banks lent a lot of money to people who could not pay back.
The bankers did that because they were and aren't very bright
Not really - they lent money to people who couldn't pay it back because they were being pressured/forced to do so by Government policy - specifically the Community Reinvestment Act.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 18:12:27 GMT
No studied it majorly over a decade ago. Just reading now that streaming for tv revenue is failing badly the money is not there so Hollywood is going through a depression. The west NATO is getting its backside kicked too much corruption and cronyism coming home to roost. The film reveals the nitty gritty of the bank filings. You really should watch it since I did not start this thread for the fun of it. The video reveals much more than is popularly known about.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 18:19:15 GMT
The idea of BRICs building an alternative financial system is fanciful - first they would need a reserve currency and the only possible one is the Renminbi which cannot become widely used for 3 main reasons: China has capital controls, the Chinese stock market does not have enough liquidity to support a reserve currency and finally China is not a democratic nation. Hence the Renmenbi accounts for just 2% of the worlds currency reserves and most of that is held by Russia. Yeah but they are not building the same sort of system that was there before. It's working on currency swaps right now, but a digital currency will be introduced. In fact some trading already takes place with a digital currency, so you won't even know how much is traded since it will not go through SWIFT. They already have their own development bank. Fantasy it is not. You will notice because it will cause dollar inflation. You see the US will be left with a lot of dollars and far more than will be in demand as trade is done directly and hence not necessitating the holding of dollars to conduct it.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Sept 29, 2024 19:22:51 GMT
I read somewhere that 9/11 caused large numbers of "agents" to be diverted from keeping their eyes on the bankers.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 19:34:33 GMT
I read somewhere that 9/11 caused large numbers of "agents" to be diverted from keeping their eyes on the bankers. The bankers have simply been given unofficial immunity for crimes which would break all records in terms of amount lost and stolen. It looks like the government gave them permission to break the law.
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