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Post by Pacifico on Sept 29, 2024 21:21:08 GMT
The idea of BRICs building an alternative financial system is fanciful - first they would need a reserve currency and the only possible one is the Renminbi which cannot become widely used for 3 main reasons: China has capital controls, the Chinese stock market does not have enough liquidity to support a reserve currency and finally China is not a democratic nation. Hence the Renmenbi accounts for just 2% of the worlds currency reserves and most of that is held by Russia. Yeah but they are not building the same sort of system that was there before. It's working on currency swaps right now, but a digital currency will be introduced. In fact some trading already takes place with a digital currency, so you won't even know how much is traded since it will not go through SWIFT. They already have their own development bank. Fantasy it is not. You will notice because it will cause dollar inflation. You see the US will be left with a lot of dollars and far more than will be in demand as trade is done directly and hence not necessitating the holding of dollars to conduct it. Having your own development banks does not mean a new financial system. There are already numerous development banks doing exactly the same things as this one from BRICS. Currency swaps are only bilateral deals which are already pretty commonplace - you seem to be trying to 'big up' inconsequential details to make this sound more important than it is.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 29, 2024 22:42:51 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 23:14:23 GMT
Yeah but they are not building the same sort of system that was there before. It's working on currency swaps right now, but a digital currency will be introduced. In fact some trading already takes place with a digital currency, so you won't even know how much is traded since it will not go through SWIFT. They already have their own development bank. Fantasy it is not. You will notice because it will cause dollar inflation. You see the US will be left with a lot of dollars and far more than will be in demand as trade is done directly and hence not necessitating the holding of dollars to conduct it. Having your own development banks does not mean a new financial system. There are already numerous development banks doing exactly the same things as this one from BRICS. Currency swaps are only bilateral deals which are already pretty commonplace - you seem to be trying to 'big up' inconsequential details to make this sound more important than it is. It's the increase in non-dollar trades. It's going up fast.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 29, 2024 23:16:16 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol. Fraud, not irresponsible. Most people on here do not know what happened.
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 18:48:50 GMT
The banks lent a lot of money to people who could not pay back.
The bankers did that because they were and aren't very bright
The UK Banks had tons of (worthless) cash rolling in, as too did Financial Services, so the Banks did what Banks do, i.e. lend money in order to earn money. The problems started when the Banks realized that the money they held was worthless. Most personal debt was on mortgages, and most mortgage repayments continued to be met.
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Post by see2 on Sept 30, 2024 18:52:20 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol. Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 30, 2024 21:26:46 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol. Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late.Absolute twaddle - you just didn't listen. 6 economists who predicted the global financial crisis
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 1, 2024 10:05:00 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol. Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late. It was not irresponsible lending. Those who lent money did so on false financial reporting. Like everyone else on here, you too have bene lied to. Those lenders were defrauded. It's to do with the leveraging ratio if you want to get technical.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 15, 2024 16:33:20 GMT
Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late. It was not irresponsible lending Baron, I was bloody well THERE in the thick of it. I was being paid to write the loan application and credit search websites. I was writing the code that filtered off the basket cases and should rightly have dumped the applicants on benefits with sidelines in cash businesses on street markets in the fucking sea (sorry, gently explained that hell would freeze over and Lucifer would come back to Earth and launch a death metal boy band with Gary Glitter as his lead singer AND make the number one Christmas slot displacing the sausage roll fanatics before they could have a mortgage) Instead we took a bung to hand them off to a second line application call centre that specialised in not asking questions, not bothering with accounts and payslips, and offered a quarter of a million second mortgage on a £150,000 flat on the basis that rip roarimg house price inflation would make that flat 'worth' 400k when it was repossessed so they'd get their money back from the repo men and stuff the debt to income ratios as what really mattered was the PPI commission.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 15, 2024 16:47:27 GMT
It was not irresponsible lending Baron, I was bloody well THERE in the thick of it. I was being paid to write the loan application and credit search websites. I was writing the code that filtered off the basket cases and should rightly have dumped the applicants on benefits with sidelines in cash businesses on street markets in the fucking sea (sorry, gently explained that hell would freeze over and Lucifer would come back to Earth and launch a death metal boy band with Gary Glitter as his lead singer AND make the number one Christmas slot displacing the sausage roll fanatics before they could have a mortgage) Instead we took a bung to hand them off to a second line application call centre that specialised in not asking questions, not bothering with accounts and payslips, and offered a quarter of a million second mortgage on a £150,000 flat on the basis that rip roarimg house price inflation would make that flat 'worth' 400k when it was repossessed so they'd get their money back from the repo men and stuff the debt to income ratios as what really mattered was the PPI commission. I mean it was a Ponzi scheme in effect. The final underwriters of the investments were told a lie and that is why they invested. Had the figures been what they were told then the investment would have made sense. They expected the figures to be correct because it is a serious crime to misreport financial data and the SEC and others are policing it all the time (they thought). What they did not count on was the government letting it take place in their full knowledge because they had political capital invested. To be frank with you , if I were an investor I would not suspect a government to participate in such foul play. You may say, oh but of course the government is dodgy. Well yes to a degree, but this was a new low, hence nothing irresponsible, just victims of criminals. The shittiest part though was the bastards got away with it and the taxpayer paid for their luxury lifestyles and is still doing so.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 15, 2024 17:45:20 GMT
Baron, I was bloody well THERE in the thick of it. I was being paid to write the loan application and credit search websites. I was writing the code that filtered off the basket cases and should rightly have dumped the applicants on benefits with sidelines in cash businesses on street markets in the fucking sea (sorry, gently explained that hell would freeze over and Lucifer would come back to Earth and launch a death metal boy band with Gary Glitter as his lead singer AND make the number one Christmas slot displacing the sausage roll fanatics before they could have a mortgage) Instead we took a bung to hand them off to a second line application call centre that specialised in not asking questions, not bothering with accounts and payslips, and offered a quarter of a million second mortgage on a £150,000 flat on the basis that rip roarimg house price inflation would make that flat 'worth' 400k when it was repossessed so they'd get their money back from the repo men and stuff the debt to income ratios as what really mattered was the PPI commission. I mean it was a Ponzi scheme in effect. The final underwriters of the investments were told a lie and that is why they invested. Had the figures been what they were told then the investment would have made sense. They expected the figures to be correct because it is a serious crime to misreport financial data and the SEC and others are policing it all the time (they thought). What they did not count on was the government letting it take place in their full knowledge because they had political capital invested. To be frank with you , if I were an investor I would not suspect a government to participate in such foul play. You may say, oh but of course the government is dodgy. Well yes to a degree, but this was a new low, hence nothing irresponsible, just victims of criminals. The shittiest part though was the bastards got away with it and the taxpayer paid for their luxury lifestyles and is still doing so. Something that few people may believe, but I swear to god it's the truth My position within my employer's firm placed me at the interface between the companies loaning the money and the companies providing the credit references. I had full visibility of the big picture Many did not On the day when Hobby Bobbies were placed strategically at bridges over the M4 near the office in case any of the instant dismissals chose to jump, we were all told to shut down everything and get on buses to be driven to the remote office to hear the news. It would be my fifth P45 for redundancy. I remember a few things After being told they were on the dole effective immediately several drop dead gorgeous PA's every one a bond girl lookalike followed the path I had taken from the meeting hall straight to the company restaurant where I had oiled my plate up high. I remember one of the group looking at me with not quite hatred, but blazing anger in her mascara smudged eyes and screaming at me 'john, how the FUCK can you EAT at a time like this' I put down my knife and fork and said very quietly 'Because this is not my first rodeo. This is, for me, the fifth P45 I will be collecting through an employer hitting the rocks. You, I think, are about to get your first. Please take my advice. fuck the diet today, grab a plate and a fork because over the next three hours shock anger and panic are going to hit and low blood sugar will make it worse' She burst into tears but did what I said. As did her colkeagues. I think about fifty thousand calories of lasagne cottage pie garlic bread and chips got shifted between the four of us but it did the trick. But it was what I experienced going into that meeting that shocked me. Management and the 'IFA's' had absolutely fuck all idea how much shit we were in. A VERY SMALL number of the top level, who had asked me to create management information reports for them from the interfaces I had access to, knew. A SMALL number of management suspected, particularly those who cut their teeth in other countries where it was actually illegal, not just discouraged, actually ILLEGAL to borrow against property for purposes other than improvement of that property, purchase or improvement of other property or as collateral for business investment. Here we were saying 'haveca seconds mortgage and blow it on a fucking HOLIDAY' But the most shocking fact was a LARGE number of managers HAD NO IDEA - or simply refused to believe - what shit they were in until they were on the street I had come into the office by bus. I walked the eight miles home I mentioned the hobby Bobby patrols I walked over a road bridge taking a b road over the M4. Two.of them were sat in a car at the end of the road. One got out as I approached. When I stopped to admire the scenery forty five feet above a quick way out he approached, very slowly. I said hello, looked at the basically piss poor barriers that were half missing stopping me from using a 44 tonnervon the M4 to solve my problem and the poor bastard nearly shit himself with fear .... I looked at him, half my age, and told him I had worked with the head of their forensics unit a lifetime ago, and had found out from them the average bridge jumper terminated by an artic could count on their guts being strung along a good 400 yards of the roadway before the truck stopped.... He went a bit green I went on to say 'i don't think I could do that to you, son' and walked off It was a strange day.
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 16, 2024 0:58:56 GMT
It's hardly rocket science, the financial crisis was caused by irresponsible lending... and governments did fuck all to curb that lending because they liked the economic growth it (temporarily) created. The UK being the classic example, where our growth was based on an explosion of retail and services... the only problem being it was being paid for with credit cards and loans instead of actually money lol. Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late. Why are you even on here? You come out with the same misinformation time and time again, when you know it is false because we have repeatedly linked you sources that show that it was very much predicted. You must be smoking crack if you think that self-certified mortgages were "responsible lending". Also, it's funny how Brown, Milliband, Reeves and the independent inquiries all blamed a lack of regulation for allowing so much irresponsible lending... but you keep falsely claiming that "it came out of nowhere". Ironically you obsess with the misinformation spread by Tories and Trump, yet have no problem with doing it yourself lol.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 16, 2024 9:02:59 GMT
Nonsense, irresponsible lending is jus trouble making hindsight. No one forecast the international financial meltdown so no one expected one until it was too late. Why are you even on here? You come out with the same misinformation time and time again, when you know it is false because we have repeatedly linked you sources that show that it was very much predicted. You must be smoking crack if you think that self-certified mortgages were "responsible lending". Also, it's funny how Brown, Milliband, Reeves and the independent inquiries all blamed a lack of regulation for allowing so much irresponsible lending... but you keep falsely claiming that "it came out of nowhere". Ironically you obsess with the misinformation spread by Tories and Trump, yet have no problem with doing it yourself lol. On at least fifty occasions I was standing in the call centre working on the infrastructure when one of other of the financial advisers went slightly off the written script I had been told by the lawyers to embed in their screens and said, and I quote 'come on, I'm not the tax man, what do you really take home including the cash jobs' When asked to provide evidence of his various income sources, one chap sent us his demo CD of his performance as a Van Morrisson tribute artist which he apparently sold to punters at gigs he did. To be fair, it wasn't bad. We ripped the tracks and randomised them into our tephone answering hold stack.....
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