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Post by Bentley on Sept 29, 2024 19:42:20 GMT
So you are playing the moral relativism card. So, by that token, historical slavery was perfectly fine, because everyone was doing it, and there is therefore no need for reparations? I have an issue with the "marrying to protect as there was no other protection for orphans" bullshit; adoption would clearly be the more effective and less problematic route there, and there are clear guidelines for adoption in Islamic culture, going back to the founding of Islam . But there is still the very real major issue of consummating a marriage with a 9 year old girl. Some girls at 9 years old would be going through puberty, but it would be almost unheard of (except the very rare cases of precocious puberty) for a 9 year old to be post-pubescent (meaning biologically sexually mature). So there is no "biological imperative" to be consummating a marriage with a 9 year old. All The Best I will leave that bit Here's what the experts think. newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/At this time they live by very different rules to back then. lol. And I quote “The idea that Muhammad married a child goes back to a report (or set of reports) attributed to Aisha herself, found in the collection of anecdotes known as the hadith — considered by many traditionalist Muslims to be a scriptural source second only to the Quran. In certain texts of the hadith, Aisha was betrothed at 6 years old and married at 9. Today, some Muslim fundamentalists defend and deploy the Aisha marital hadith to justify child marriage in our own time.” |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 19:42:46 GMT
You forget that Muslims in this country the UK have to abide by our laws, in their own Country it is legal to have sex with a 'child' over the age of 9
In this country if they have sex with a 'child' under 16 they are pedophiles they are arrested and charged as 'pedophiles', so if they still want to follow their own customs/laws/Religion then they can fuck off back to their own Countries were it is LEGAL.
They want the laws changed in the UK as they feel they are being unfairly treated and it's against their human rights not to follow their customs and religion in the country known as the UK.
No it isn't. Don't be so bloody lazy, look it up. I have ...
What is the age of sexual maturity in Islam?
The minimum age of puberty for girls is approximately 9 lunar years and if absence of no symptoms are found, it can be considered as approximately 15 lunar years to maximum 17 lunar years or 18 lunar years, or may vary by geographical region in case of
If the male penetrates and harms the girl, he should be held financially liable for her whole life. This is mentioned in Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pages 221-222. As Ayatollah Khomeini says, it is not permissible to have intercourse before the age of nine, whether in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 19:43:17 GMT
No one can separate themselves from history, its not an item, its a record. All you can judge Muslims on is their laws today which on paedophilia and rape are tougher than ours. If you think history is now then you need to stop Christians burning witches and torturing unbelievers into believers. You forget that Muslims in this country the UK have to abide by our laws, in their own Country it is legal to have sex with a 'child' over the age of 9
In this country if they have sex with a 'child' under 16 they are pedophiles they are arrested and charged as 'pedophiles', so if they still want to follow their own customs/laws/Religion then they can fuck off back to their own Countries were it is LEGAL.
They want the laws changed in the UK as they feel they are being unfairly treated and it's against their human rights not to follow their customs and religion in the country known as the UK.
What country is that then? You are aware that Muslims don't all come from the same country aren't you? And that as everywhere else laws tend to differ from country to country? And a link to support your assertion would be useful, because it likes like a load of old BS to me, probably gleaned from far right hate sites on the internet that you are being spoon-fed by algorithms. And your notion that sex with someone under age is always an example of paedophilia does not stand up to scrutiny. The vast majority of people have their first sexual experiences at least in terms of the fumbling of hands and first boyfriends and girlfriends whilst under the age of 16. Quite a few lose their virginity entirely whilst under the age of 16 with partners of a similar age but also under 16. Does this make them all paedophiles? And if some boy has sex with his girlfriend on his 16th birthday, but she was born a day later than him so is still technically 15, would that make him a paedophile even though he is less than 24 hours older than her? Clearly some common sense is necessary which makes it too simplistic to make any blanket assumption that under 16 sexual activity is automatically paedophile in all circumstances. But then again, hate does not do common sense, nuance, and complexity. It needs to be simple to make sense to the hater. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 19:45:11 GMT
No it isn't. Don't be so bloody lazy, look it up. I have ...
What is the age of sexual maturity in Islam?
The minimum age of puberty for girls is approximately 9 lunar years and if absence of no symptoms are found, it can be considered as approximately 15 lunar years to maximum 17 lunar years or 18 lunar years, or may vary by geographical region in case of
If the male penetrates and harms the girl, he should be held financially liable for her whole life. This is mentioned in Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pages 221-222. As Ayatollah Khomeini says, it is not permissible to have intercourse before the age of nine, whether in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage
You forget that Muslims in this country the UK have to abide by our laws, in their own Country it is legal to have sex with a 'child' over the age of 9
In this country if they have sex with a 'child' under 16 they are pedophiles they are arrested and charged as 'pedophiles', so if they still want to follow their own customs/laws/Religion then they can fuck off back to their own Countries were it is LEGAL.
They want the laws changed in the UK as they feel they are being unfairly treated and it's against their human rights not to follow their customs and religion in the country known as the UK.
What country is that then? You are aware that Muslims don't all come from the same country aren't you? And that as everywhere else laws tend to differ from country to country? And a link to support your assertion would be useful, because it likes like a load of old BS to me, probably gleaned from far right hate sites on the internet that you are being spoon-fed by algorithms. And your notion that sex with someone under age is always an example of paedophilia does not stand up to scrutiny. The vast majority of people have their first sexual experiences at least in terms of the fumbling of hands and first boyfriends and girlfriends whilst under the age of 16. Quite a few lose their virginity entirely whilst under the age of 16 with partners of a similar age but also under 16. Does this make them all paedophiles? And if some boy has sex with his girlfriend on his 16th birthday, but she was born a day later than him so is still technically 15, would that make him a paedophile even though he is less than 24 hours older than her? Clearly some common sense is necessary which makes it too simplistic to make any blanket assumption that under 16 sexual activity is automatically paedophile in all circumstances. But then again, hate does not do common sense, nuance, and complexity. It needs to be simple to make sense to the hater. See my above ^^ post. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 19:49:24 GMT
You forget that Muslims in this country the UK have to abide by our laws, in their own Country it is legal to have sex with a 'child' over the age of 9
In this country if they have sex with a 'child' under 16 they are pedophiles they are arrested and charged as 'pedophiles', so if they still want to follow their own customs/laws/Religion then they can fuck off back to their own Countries were it is LEGAL.
They want the laws changed in the UK as they feel they are being unfairly treated and it's against their human rights not to follow their customs and religion in the country known as the UK.
No it isn't. Don't be so bloody lazy, look it up. You cannot reason with hate when it is allied with stupidity. I expect he'll drag up some quote from an extremist or ancient text rather than any actual law. And I doubt very much which country's laws he will be referencing. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 29, 2024 19:50:45 GMT
So you are playing the moral relativism card. So, by that token, historical slavery was perfectly fine, because everyone was doing it, and there is therefore no need for reparations? I have an issue with the "marrying to protect as there was no other protection for orphans" bullshit; adoption would clearly be the more effective and less problematic route there, and there are clear guidelines for adoption in Islamic culture, going back to the founding of Islam . But there is still the very real major issue of consummating a marriage with a 9 year old girl. Some girls at 9 years old would be going through puberty, but it would be almost unheard of (except the very rare cases of precocious puberty) for a 9 year old to be post-pubescent (meaning biologically sexually mature). So there is no "biological imperative" to be consummating a marriage with a 9 year old. All The Best I will leave that bit Here's what the experts think. newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/At this time they live by very different rules to back then. You have to look at what the Sharia says and whether the Ulema are experts or not they make the Islamic law. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 19:51:14 GMT
I have ...
What is the age of sexual maturity in Islam?
The minimum age of puberty for girls is approximately 9 lunar years and if absence of no symptoms are found, it can be considered as approximately 15 lunar years to maximum 17 lunar years or 18 lunar years, or may vary by geographical region in case of
If the male penetrates and harms the girl, he should be held financially liable for her whole life. This is mentioned in Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pages 221-222. As Ayatollah Khomeini says, it is not permissible to have intercourse before the age of nine, whether in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage
What country is that then? You are aware that Muslims don't all come from the same country aren't you? And that as everywhere else laws tend to differ from country to country? And a link to support your assertion would be useful, because it likes like a load of old BS to me, probably gleaned from far right hate sites on the internet that you are being spoon-fed by algorithms. And your notion that sex with someone under age is always an example of paedophilia does not stand up to scrutiny. The vast majority of people have their first sexual experiences at least in terms of the fumbling of hands and first boyfriends and girlfriends whilst under the age of 16. Quite a few lose their virginity entirely whilst under the age of 16 with partners of a similar age but also under 16. Does this make them all paedophiles? And if some boy has sex with his girlfriend on his 16th birthday, but she was born a day later than him so is still technically 15, would that make him a paedophile even though he is less than 24 hours older than her? Clearly some common sense is necessary which makes it too simplistic to make any blanket assumption that under 16 sexual activity is automatically paedophile in all circumstances. But then again, hate does not do common sense, nuance, and complexity. It needs to be simple to make sense to the hater. See my above ^^ post. As I said.....lol |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 19:54:48 GMT
No it isn't. Don't be so bloody lazy, look it up. You cannot reason with hate when it is allied with stupidity. I expect he'll drag up some quote from an extremist or ancient text rather than any actual law. And I doubt very much which country's laws he will be referencing. If you are going to post on a political forum, then you need to know facts, otherwise you come across as being a dumb, now I am going to post this one last time, you have every opportunity to Google it, fact check it with any souse you desire, but it will come up with following results. ...
What is the age of sexual maturity in Islam?
The minimum age of puberty for girls is approximately 9 lunar years and if absence of no symptoms are found, it can be considered as approximately 15 lunar years to maximum 17 lunar years or 18 lunar years, or may vary by geographical region in case of
If the male penetrates and harms the girl, he should be held financially liable for her whole life. This is mentioned in Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pages 221-222. As Ayatollah Khomeini says, it is not permissible to have intercourse before the age of nine, whether in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage
Now FUCK OFF and fact check the FACTS ^^ or we will just conclude you know fuck all about Muslims and their culture and Religion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 19:55:14 GMT
You have to look at what the Sharia says and whether the Ulema are experts or not they make the Islamic law. No you don't. You have to look at what the countries' laws say. What Sharia says is as irrelevant as what the bible says. Except for those aspects of Sharia that are encoded in law because not all of it everywhere. So how about any actual law in any Muslim country today that supports your claim? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 29, 2024 20:00:34 GMT
lol. And I quote “The idea that Muhammad married a child goes back to a report (or set of reports) attributed to Aisha herself, found in the collection of anecdotes known as the hadith — considered by many traditionalist Muslims to be a scriptural source second only to the Quran. In certain texts of the hadith, Aisha was betrothed at 6 years old and married at 9. Today, some Muslim fundamentalists defend and deploy the Aisha marital hadith to justify child marriage in our own time.” dear oh dear. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 20:00:36 GMT
You cannot reason with hate when it is allied with stupidity. I expect he'll drag up some quote from an extremist or ancient text rather than any actual law. And I doubt very much which country's laws he will be referencing. If you are going to post on a political forum, then you need to know facts, otherwise you come across as being a dumb, now I am going to post this one last time, you have every opportunity to Google it, fact check it with any souse you desire, but it will come up with following results. ...
What is the age of sexual maturity in Islam?
The minimum age of puberty for girls is approximately 9 lunar years and if absence of no symptoms are found, it can be considered as approximately 15 lunar years to maximum 17 lunar years or 18 lunar years, or may vary by geographical region in case of
If the male penetrates and harms the girl, he should be held financially liable for her whole life. This is mentioned in Tahreer al-Waseelah, vol. 2, pages 221-222. As Ayatollah Khomeini says, it is not permissible to have intercourse before the age of nine, whether in nikah (permanent marriage) or temporary marriage
Now FUCK OFF and fact check the FACTS ^^ or we will just conclude you know fuck all about Muslims and their culture and Religion.
Whilst you are clearly an authority on the subject, unable thus far to back your assertions with any actual law existing today. And you can pretend you know what you are talking about by mentioning the Ulema but they have little legal standing in important matters in most Muslim countries today. Even the Hadith and the Caliphs are reinterpreted through modern eyes today. I have just finished a book about the history of the Arabs and it is obvious to me that your hate is bigger than your knowledge, most of it the sort of guff you might glean from hate sites on the internet. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 29, 2024 20:03:12 GMT
lol. And I quote “The idea that Muhammad married a child goes back to a report (or set of reports) attributed to Aisha herself, found in the collection of anecdotes known as the hadith — considered by many traditionalist Muslims to be a scriptural source second only to the Quran. In certain texts of the hadith, Aisha was betrothed at 6 years old and married at 9. Today, some Muslim fundamentalists defend and deploy the Aisha marital hadith to justify child marriage in our own time.” dear oh dear. Indeed. You fell at the first fence by posting an article by an ‘expert ‘ that refuted your claim . How sad . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2024 20:05:57 GMT
lol. And I quote “The idea that Muhammad married a child goes back to a report (or set of reports) attributed to Aisha herself, found in the collection of anecdotes known as the hadith — considered by many traditionalist Muslims to be a scriptural source second only to the Quran. In certain texts of the hadith, Aisha was betrothed at 6 years old and married at 9. Today, some Muslim fundamentalists defend and deploy the Aisha marital hadith to justify child marriage in our own time.” dear oh dear. It is easy to understand why we were so easily tempted by other forums isnt it? We will never change ingrained malice but we don't have to take them seriously. When we tire of speaking knowledge to ignorance, fact to hate, we can just sit back and ignore them after privately laughing at them for a bit. And take solace from the fact that none of us matter anyway and the powers that be don't give a hoot what we think.. All I will say is that I'd rather have a Muslim for a neighbour than some of the people I find on the internet. lol |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 29, 2024 20:11:50 GMT
It is easy to understand why we were so easily tempted by other forums isnt it? We will never change ingrained malice but we don't have to take them seriously. When we tire of speaking knowledge to ignorance, fact to hate, we can just sit back and ignore them after privately laughing at them for a bit. And take solace from the fact that none of us matter anyway and the powers that be don't give a hoot what we think.. All I will say is that I'd rather have a Muslim for a neighbour than some of the people I find on the internet. lol It’s easy to understand why you and Zany are a joke in this one . Zany tries to excuse the paedophilia of Mohammad then posts a link that confirms that his paedophilia is part of the Islamic narrative . Zany didn’t prove that Muslims do not believe that their founder was a paedophile . He is trying to assert that they have got it all wrong and even if he was it isn’t relevant. Im not sure about you though , you just growl.😁 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Sept 29, 2024 20:19:37 GMT
So you are playing the moral relativism card. So, by that token, historical slavery was perfectly fine, because everyone was doing it, and there is therefore no need for reparations? I have an issue with the "marrying to protect as there was no other protection for orphans" bullshit; adoption would clearly be the more effective and less problematic route there, and there are clear guidelines for adoption in Islamic culture, going back to the founding of Islam . But there is still the very real major issue of consummating a marriage with a 9 year old girl. Some girls at 9 years old would be going through puberty, but it would be almost unheard of (except the very rare cases of precocious puberty) for a 9 year old to be post-pubescent (meaning biologically sexually mature). So there is no "biological imperative" to be consummating a marriage with a 9 year old. All The Best I will leave that bit Here's what the experts think. newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/At this time they live by very different rules to back then. If you want to highlight the bit you claim proves Mohammad didn't have sex with a 9 yar old I'll take a look. Not reading the whole damn thing though, because I suspect it doesn't prove what you want it to prove. Oh, what makes them more expert than Ibn Hisham? All The Best |
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