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Post by see2 on Sept 29, 2024 7:23:22 GMT
We have exchanged a lot of posts on the make up of QT audiences and what that apparently, at least according to some of us, tells us about BBC bias. However, it seems that no-one has thought to comment about the make up of QT panels. Well, apparently, over the last 9 years at least, the selection of panelists demonstrates a clear right wing leaning. theconversation.com/bbc-question-time-analysis-of-guests-over-nine-years-suggests-an-overuse-of-rightwing-voices-232315What does that tell us about QT and/or BBC bias and about those who insist, with little evidence if any to support their position, that it is left leaning? I suspect that the claim of 'Left Leaning' just means that it is just not far enough to the Right for their liking.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 9:03:57 GMT
Bruce is a lefty bully, and she should not be hosting a BBC or for that matter any political programme, her bias stands out a mile, she tried to belittle Yusuf and ended up humiliating herself by having to 'apologise'
apologise meaning
express regret for something that one has done wrong. "I must apologize for disturbing you like this"
You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself, like the Bruce apologists on here.
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Post by happyjack on Sept 29, 2024 9:16:14 GMT
We are talking about QT specifically here - and the composition of its audiences. How does your experience demonstrate any bias in the selection of audience members? Surely, if it is demonstrating anything at all, it is that the composition of QT audiences is vetted in an attempt to secure a representatively proportionate mix of members. It looks like they had their full quota of the group that you fell into already, hence their rejection of your application to join the audience, whereas the group that your mates pretended to be from had capacity to fill, hence their applications were accepted. Where have I stated otherwise? I have experienced the beebs bias for my self when I and couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT.. Where have you stated otherwise? Nowhere expressly, I don’t think, but you keep referring to the BBC (or the beeb) in your posts, including, for example, in the very post that my post above was respoding to where you said “ The beeb are biased “ and “ were accepted by the beeb “so I wanted to make sure that the differentiation was clear. And have you really “ experienced the beebs bias “ (oops, there you go again talking about the BBC in general and not just QT) when you and a couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT? That is precisely what I am questioning here but it is as if what I say goes right over your head.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 9:19:12 GMT
Where have I stated otherwise? I have experienced the beebs bias for my self when I and couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT.. Where have you stated otherwise? Nowhere expressly, I don’t think but you keep referring to the BBC (or the beeb) in your posts, including, for example, in the very post that my post above was respoding to where you said “ The beeb are biased “ and “ were accepted by the beeb “so I wanted to make sure that the differentiation was clear. And have you really “ experienced the beebs bias “ (oops, there you go again talking about the BBC in general and not just QT) when you and a couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT? That is precisely what I am questioning here but it is as if what I said goes right over your head. Stop making excuse for the bias BBC they helped Labour win the last GE, which they will bitterly regret, we don't need you to tell us the BBC is not bias, because anyone with a iota of sense knows the BBC is bias, and calling people 'retards' and 'liars' because they point this out is just a example of how the lefties try to close people down ... personal insults.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2024 9:20:09 GMT
Where have I stated otherwise? I have experienced the beebs bias for my self when I and couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT.. Where have you stated otherwise? Nowhere expressly, I don’t think but you keep referring to the BBC (or the beeb) in your posts, including, for example, in the very post that my post above was respoding to where you said “ The beeb are biased “ and “ were accepted by the beeb “so I wanted to make sure that the differentiation was clear. And have you really “ experienced the beebs bias “ (oops, there you go again talking about the BBC in general and not just QT) when you and a couple of mates tried to be in the audience of QT? That is precisely what I am questioning here but it is as if what I said goes right over your head. If you want to portray yourself as the weakest link. All I can say is more power to your elbow. Who hosts QT FFS?
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 9:20:32 GMT
andrea of all people calling posters 'retards' ... oh the irony ....LOL
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Post by sandypine on Sept 29, 2024 9:21:23 GMT
The planting and editorial direction of the QT audience became apparent in the Nick Griffin edition and continued up to the Brexit and beyond. I have to say I stopped watching it a good few years back for the very reason that not only did it not gel in any way with my views and continuing the representation of the Triumvirate in the main with Farage being good copy until he won Brexit then he became a demon figure for the programme. The format of the programme is supposed to be fixed and the Chairman is supposed to be there to challenge errors and to act impartially as regards allowing comment from panel and audience. The Griffin QT was obviously rigged as the very first question was not a question it was a statement against Griffin to which the Chairman allowed no reply from Griffin then came an embarrassing 'joke' from a man who fluffed his lines and when Griffin was allowed an uninterrupted reply that answer was precise and to the point. Some old 'quotes' from Griffin were rolled out from the usual suspects glowing in their virtuosity and shining in their inaccuracy but these 'quotes' were never fact checked before nor corrected by the Chairman they had to be rebutted by Griffin alone. The Chairman far from being impartial was antagonistic to Griffin. These are duck situations and the evidence they are ducks is in actually what happened. Much research has been done on the Brexit 'impartiality' and found to be particularly wanting. The Farage QT election special was of course a joke if balance was the name of the QT game and it clearly was not. I remember the Nick Griffin QT appearance and all of the controversy around it in the build up to the recording. It might have been, on the face of it, a routine edition of QT but, of course, in all but the format of the show, it was an extraordinary “ one-off” moment in UK broadcasting history where everybody in the studio i.e. the panel, audience and chairperson alike, were acutely aware of this and were well researched in what Nick Griffin had said and done over the years . The panel members were also well prepared with strong anti-racist, anti-BNP and anti-Nick Griffin material - apart from Nick Griffin himself, of course, who was so far out of his depth and under constant attack from all around (every bit of it justified). That said, I have just watched the opening 15-20 minutes of that broadcast and it is not quite as you describe above. The opening question was short and precise and was very much a question, not a statement, Jack Straw was first up in response and he did so by reading out a pre-prepared answer (perhaps this is what you mistakenly remember as the opening question?) following which Nick Griffin was given time and space to answer without interruption, as you say above. Some old Griffin quotes then began to get rolled out at Nick Griffin, many of which he either agreed to having made, others he claimed were disgraceful slurs that he denied making - although he finally conceded on some of these when panel members pointed out that there were YouTube clips of him saying exactly what he had just denied saying. He was unconvincing with many of his denials but even if there were some things that he was wrongly accused of saying ( which I doubt given the things that he admitted to saying or did not dispute), then it made no difference in substance. My underlying feeling from watching this segment of the show again is that much of the discussion that the panel and the audience were obliged to indulge in, thanks to Nick Griffin’s presence, and that the tv audience was subjected to, was way below the normal standard of discourse and subject matter that we are generally accustomed to. I was travelling for most of the recent GE campaign so saw very little of what was going on, including the leaders’ specials chaired by Fiona Bruce. I have just watched the Nigel Farage half hour slot and he did take a bit of a pounding from the audience and there was no evidence of support for Reform amongst its ranks. I think that the pounding from the many was inevitable given how reviled Nigel Farage is amongst a sizeable majority of voters and given that there appears to have been a drip feed of scandals involving Reform candidates and also from some actor type at a Reform event in the run up to the show. I was a bit puzzled about the lack of support from the audience but that could well be because the audience was made up of representative proportions of the votes per party at the last (i.e. 2019) GE, when there was no Reform Party and its predecessor, the Brexit Party, only got 2% of the vote which would have translated into maybe 4 Reform types in the audience of 200. Given the clear antipathy on display towards Nigel Farage from the majority of the audience (much like the population at large, of course) it is perhaps not surprising that the few Reform types there would have kept their mouths shut and sat on their hands. One thing that I did notice, when the discussion with Farage eventually moved away from racism and immigration, was that the intensity levels amongst the audience subsided considerably and that Farage was listened to with relative calm and with interest. In different ways, Nick Griffin’s and Nigel Farage’s appearances above were not typical for QT, Griffin’s in particular being an extraordinary event, so pointing at them as examples of what is wrong with the regular QT offering and QT audience configuration has limited merit in my view. I have to confess my memory of the Griffin QT opening is at odds with a quick rerun. The Chairman was very aggressive from the start though and answered for other panellists instead of allowing other panelists to reply, the Jack Straw's father's point being a case. That is not the Chairman's job to pass comment it is his position to control the debate and see that comments and riposte's are allowed. There was a point where Griffin was not allowed to reply, I thought it was the opening but it seems it was further through. The Chairman was quizzing Griffin throughout quite aggressively which as I said is neither his job nor his usual stance. If Farage was reviled so much as you say then Brexit would never have happened, but it did and it was Farage that was the driving force. Many people did not support Farage but that is not the same. The reviling part is largely from some of teh MSM and his political opponents. Griffin was easy meat for them as he had far too much baggage and could be easily presented as the Bogeyman and they went all out for that. Farage has much less baggage and has support from a wide and diverse group of the British electorate. One thing about 'Reform types' is that staying quiet is no longer the option as if one does not make noise one is ignored. Brexit party only got 2% of teh vote as Farage agreed to withdraw many candidates to ensure the Tories got in to get Brexit done. On reflection not his best decision
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2024 9:25:31 GMT
andrea of all people calling posters 'retards' ... oh the irony ....LOL I suppose our learned friends would apply to ITN if they wanted to be a member in the audience of QT...
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Post by happyjack on Sept 29, 2024 9:27:13 GMT
We have exchanged a lot of posts on the make up of QT audiences and what that apparently, at least according to some of us, tells us about BBC bias. However, it seems that no-one has thought to comment about the make up of QT panels. Well, apparently, over the last 9 years at least, the selection of panelists demonstrates a clear right wing leaning. theconversation.com/bbc-question-time-analysis-of-guests-over-nine-years-suggests-an-overuse-of-rightwing-voices-232315What does that tell us about QT and/or BBC bias and about those who insist, with little evidence if any to support their position, that it is left leaning? The thread is about civilians fighting for their country but as usual the left do not like the truth so they do their dambdest to change the subject and when that doesn't work they play the ad homs card.. Errr … as I have already pointed out in an earlier post in response to a similar comment from Fairsociety, it was actually you who changed the subject when you posted about “ the enemy within “. So either you consider yourself to be of the left and are being self-critical here or you don’t remember what you posted.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2024 9:29:17 GMT
The thread is about civilians fighting for their country but as usual the left do not like the truth so they do their dambdest to change the subject and when that doesn't work they play the ad homs card.. Errr … as I have already pointed out in an earlier post in response to a similar comment from Fairsociety, it was actually you who changed the subject when you posted about “ the enemy within “. So either you consider yourself to be of the left and are being self-critical here or you don’t remember .what you posted I never changed the subject. Where do you think the biggest threat to the UK comes from?
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Post by happyjack on Sept 29, 2024 9:46:36 GMT
Bruce is a lefty bully, and she should not be hosting a BBC or for that matter any political programme, her bias stands out a mile, she tried to belittle Yusuf and ended up humiliating herself by having to 'apologise' apologise meaning express regret for something that one has done wrong. "I must apologize for disturbing you like this" You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself, like the Bruce apologists on here. “ You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself “In that case, presumably we can expect to see apologies from both you and from jonksy some time soon.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2024 9:48:26 GMT
Bruce is a lefty bully, and she should not be hosting a BBC or for that matter any political programme, her bias stands out a mile, she tried to belittle Yusuf and ended up humiliating herself by having to 'apologise' apologise meaning express regret for something that one has done wrong. "I must apologize for disturbing you like this" You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself, like the Bruce apologists on here. “ You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself “In that case, presumably we can expect to see apologies from both you and from jonksy some time soon. Apologise for what?
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 29, 2024 9:50:31 GMT
Bruce is a lefty bully, and she should not be hosting a BBC or for that matter any political programme, her bias stands out a mile, she tried to belittle Yusuf and ended up humiliating herself by having to 'apologise' apologise meaning express regret for something that one has done wrong. "I must apologize for disturbing you like this" You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself, like the Bruce apologists on here. “ You apologise when you have made a cunt of yourself “In that case, presumably we can expect to see apologies from both you and from jonksy some time soon. Why would we apologise ..
We are both right the BBC is bias
Bruce apologised for getting her facts WRONG
and THREE members of the bias Question Time raised their hands when asked a question on Reform
You just constantly post the same lame lefty excuses, it doesn't matter how many times you post it .... it wont make it the truth, but carry on, it just highlights how desperate the lefties have to stoop to.
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Post by happyjack on Sept 29, 2024 9:53:27 GMT
Errr … as I have already pointed out in an earlier post in response to a similar comment from Fairsociety, it was actually you who changed the subject when you posted about “ the enemy within “. So either you consider yourself to be of the left and are being self-critical here or you don’t remember .what you posted I never changed the subject. Where do you think the biggest threat to the UK comes from? The subject was about defending ourselves from a Russian threat so, wherever you might think that the biggest threat to the UK comes from, it was you who changed the subject on this thread. BTW - if you are wondering how the conversation bizarrely lurched onto QT then look no further than Fairsociety as it was he or she who inexplicably introduced this theme. Perhaps you also consider FC to be of the left?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 29, 2024 9:53:49 GMT
Anyone who maintains that the BBC isn't left wing is either delusional or a liar.
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