|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2024 15:28:33 GMT
Where will it end?
A black Winston Churchill?
An Asian Nelson Mandela?
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2024 15:45:24 GMT
Chinese , blacks, Indians etc have complained for years about white people getting blacked up or use other make up to look like other ethnic characters in films and plays .
Now they seem to think it’s ok when blacks ( it’s usually blacks afaik) get parachuted into a role that was traditionally white .
|
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2024 15:48:28 GMT
There was already a black Issac Newton in Doctor Who a few months back.
Issac Newton.
It's like having Elton John play Malcolm X (without makeup).
|
|
|
|
Post by Dogburger on Sept 25, 2024 18:01:47 GMT
The whole idea of casting black people in white roles or visa versa is to remove racial prejudice not to enhance it . Its early days but surely we all want to arrive at the time when nobody notices who is 'playing' who as long as they are making a decent job of it.
Is it just a colour thing or are we going to say Aussies can't play Scots , or Englishmen embarrassing themselves trying to speak with an American accent ?
I think race reversed casting would be pushing their luck when playing living or recently deceased people but other than that I dont see the problem
|
|
|
|
Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2024 18:03:26 GMT
My inclination is to applaud any actor who can carry a role…
|
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2024 18:37:00 GMT
My inclination is to applaud any actor who can carry a role… You think that they went through all the white actresses before they chose a black one? How about white actor who can ‘ carry a role ‘ by having their face blacked? Would you applaud that? |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2024 18:41:54 GMT
My inclination is to applaud any actor who can carry a role… So you'd have a black transvestite man play Queen Elizabeth 1 if he was a good actor? Or a white woman play a young Samuel L Jackson? |
|
|
|
Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2024 18:46:47 GMT
My inclination is to applaud any actor who can carry a role… You think that they went through all the white actresses before they chose a black one? How about white actor who can ‘ carry a role ‘ by having their face blacked? Would you applaud that? I doubt it, because the adaptation included non-white actors. Why spend money on burnt cork and grease paint when you can employ an ethnic at half price who’d be so grateful to massa director boss…? |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Sept 25, 2024 18:50:00 GMT
The whole idea of casting black people in white roles or visa versa is to remove racial prejudice not to enhance it . Its early days but surely we all want to arrive at the time when nobody notices who is 'playing' who as long as they are making a decent job of it. Is it just a colour thing or are we going to say Aussies can't play Scots , or Englishmen embarrassing themselves trying to speak with an American accent ? I think race reversed casting would be pushing their luck when playing living or recently deceased people but other than that I dont see the problem But it does not remove it it does enhance it as it is presumed that the role went not to the best actor for the role but was positive action. It would be ridiculous having Matt Damon playing Nelson Mandela or David Tennant playing Bernie Grant. Whether we like it or not colour changes the dynamics of any situation and in a historical or even a fictional setting the unspoken dynamics are necessary for the role to work and often if one introduces those dynamics where they did not exist it creates an undercurrent that was never there. If Matt Damon was playing Nelson Mandela in a court scene then it would be hard to recreate the unspoken racial antipathy that existed even worse if a black actor was playing the white prosecutor the whole thing would be surreal and contextually all at sea. If we cannot get the race of an actor right for a production what is the point in trying to create the visual facade of time and location. Why does the audince have to suspend belief in one area but is not expected to in another. I thought all of that ended with the ridiculous sight of Elizabeth Taylor in a wheelchair for the Little Foxes. The presence of a wheelchair pusher would change the dynamics of any play. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2024 18:56:33 GMT
You think that they went through all the white actresses before they chose a black one? How about white actor who can ‘ carry a role ‘ by having their face blacked? Would you applaud that? I doubt it, because the adaptation included non-white actors. Why spend money on burnt cork and grease paint when you can employ an ethnic at half price who’d be so grateful to massa director boss…? A point less exercise of woke . Adding nothing to the story except to introduce a black character where there never would be one . Its as pointless as recasting Tarzan with a black man or Shaft with a 10 stone white gay man. |
|
|
|
Post by blueorange on Sept 25, 2024 19:01:13 GMT
I have to say I totally understand the motives behind the elevation of different racial groups in the popular culture.
We are an island nation with not much genetic variation so a flow of new genes is hugely beneficial to the health of the nation.
However this new trend of having a different racial aristocracy or historical figures is just laughable. I just cant watch it and I'm sure I am not the only one.
|
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Sept 25, 2024 19:08:59 GMT
I have to say I totally understand the motives behind the elevation of different racial groups in the popular culture. We are an island nation with not much genetic variation so a flow of new genes is hugely beneficial to the health of the nation. However this new trend of having a different racial aristocracy or historical figures is just laughable. I just cant watch it and I'm sure I am not the only one. At what point does the influx of 'new genes' cease to be beneficial and become a liability. I believe we have passed that point, some time ago. We always had new genes over the past 3 or 4 thousand years on a regular basis, some are proving there were people raised in Africa on the Mary Rose. New genes pop up quite regularly. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2024 19:13:02 GMT
I have to say I totally understand the motives behind the elevation of different racial groups in the popular culture. We are an island nation with not much genetic variation so a flow of new genes is hugely beneficial to the health of the nation. However this new trend of having a different racial aristocracy or historical figures is just laughable. I just cant watch it and I'm sure I am not the only one. I would call it miscasting , not elevating . Unless the production deliberately and openly puts the characters into unreal scenario for a particular purpose then we might expect the production to have some sense of reality . Putting a random black person in a production that is supposed to be set in a scenario where there would never be one is like rewriting the character of Romeo as a Cossack . A pointless exercise that moves the production one step closer to a farce . |
|
|
|
Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2024 19:33:23 GMT
I have to say I totally understand the motives behind the elevation of different racial groups in the popular culture. We are an island nation with not much genetic variation so a flow of new genes is hugely beneficial to the health of the nation. However this new trend of having a different racial aristocracy or historical figures is just laughable. I just cant watch it and I'm sure I am not the only one. I would call it miscasting , not elevating . Unless the production deliberately and openly puts the characters into unreal scenario for a particular purpose then we might expect the production to have some sense of reality . Putting a random black person in a production that is supposed to be set in a scenario where there would never be one is like rewriting the character of Romeo as a Cossack . A pointless exercise that moves the production one step closer to a farce . Farce is an acceptable and enjoyable strand of theatre that’s been staged over many years and also filmed and presented on TV. Why take against it now…? |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2024 19:39:05 GMT
I would call it miscasting , not elevating . Unless the production deliberately and openly puts the characters into unreal scenario for a particular purpose then we might expect the production to have some sense of reality . Putting a random black person in a production that is supposed to be set in a scenario where there would never be one is like rewriting the character of Romeo as a Cossack . A pointless exercise that moves the production one step closer to a farce . Farce is an acceptable and enjoyable strand of theatre that’s been staged over many years and also filmed and presented on TV. Why take against it now…? Farce ..an event or situation that is absurd or disorganized. However the new production of Tom Jones does have at least one of those farcical elements “a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations. |
|
