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Post by jonksy on Sept 21, 2024 14:55:44 GMT
Yes but you see it is the police's job to apply the law equally across the land and to investigate serious allegations. We agree the police have not done this. So far so good, but what really irks me is people then accept as proof the Yewtree investigation. If you have an unreliable witness (the police) then they don't just suddenly change their spots if they then find some dirt. I find it highly convenient they only get to work once he is dead. He may well have dropped some names, but we just don't get the proof he personally did anything wrong. In fact if he didn't, but saw abuse by others, then oh well, we will be fed some right porkies. Then it would not be a case of "if you tell on us we will tell on you". The modus operandi of using obfuscating terminology seems commonplace in all the government system these days. Not even simple words like violence mean what they used to mean. Well the untouchable person in question was not totally untouchable, well not by the law anyway. More than a decade ago, the Crown Prosecution Service, then led by Sir Keir Starmer, found itself at the centre of a storm over its failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile, who used his fame to become one of the most prolific sexual predators Britain has ever known.
This summer, the CPS came under fire once again, with former ministers criticising the body for taking more than a month to announce that it had brought charges against the BBC presenter Huw Edwards for accessing indecent images of children.
Now, the prosecutor’s failure, also during Starmer’s time at its helm, to charge Mohamed Fayed with sexual assault, has highlighted what campaigners and lawyers see as a pattern of Britain’s authorities appearing intimidated at the idea of taking on the rich and famous. The decision was highlighted this week when it emerged that dozens of women have now accused the late Harrods owner of abuse.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 21, 2024 15:06:01 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000.
IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied.
In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS
The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police.
Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives.
Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 21, 2024 15:10:53 GMT
Well the untouchable person in question was not totally untouchable, well not by the law anyway. More than a decade ago, the Crown Prosecution Service, then led by Sir Keir Starmer, found itself at the centre of a storm over its failure to prosecute Jimmy Savile, who used his fame to become one of the most prolific sexual predators Britain has ever known.
This summer, the CPS came under fire once again, with former ministers criticising the body for taking more than a month to announce that it had brought charges against the BBC presenter Huw Edwards for accessing indecent images of children.
Now, the prosecutor’s failure, also during Starmer’s time at its helm, to charge Mohamed Fayed with sexual assault, has highlighted what campaigners and lawyers see as a pattern of Britain’s authorities appearing intimidated at the idea of taking on the rich and famous. The decision was highlighted this week when it emerged that dozens of women have now accused the late Harrods owner of abuse.
If you have money, power and status you buy your way out of it, if you work for the Church you hide behind them, cover up after cover up, but at the end of the day there's no where to run and nowhere to hide, it will one day catch them up, the sad part is most of them will be dead by then, but maybe they are going to answer to a far higher authority than here on earth, and hopefully one more terrifying. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 21, 2024 15:30:59 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000. IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied. In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police. Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives. Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives.Isn't that why starmer the scrounger is accepting all the freebies? That is now over a 100k since he took office fiddles... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 16:33:26 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000. IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied. In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police. Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives. Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives. You are correct (even though I don't k like Starmer!). The CPS just take all the evidence provided by the police and assess if there is a enough to prosecute and whether it is in the public interest to do so as well. Yes the police fucked up, but was it that they thought he was guilty when he was innocent? It could be either. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 21, 2024 16:39:04 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000. IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied. In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police. Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives. Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives. History dictates that there are only conspiracy theories when honesty is not transparent, need I go on ... JFK.... Hitler dead in a bunker ... Roswell ..
No one can work out how a 'prolific pedophile' like Savile operated in plain sight, almost goaded his accusers on TV interviews, with a arrogance that he knew he was untouchable, that was only down to the BBC and the DPP, the police are just the hand rags, they have no say in what the CPS conclude, and the CPS only conclude what the DPP says so.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 21, 2024 16:40:39 GMT
almost forgot ....... WMD..... fictitious weapons of mass destruction to start illegal wars.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 17:20:49 GMT
almost forgot ....... WMD..... fictitious weapons of mass destruction to start illegal wars. Don't you think it is exactly when all the press say the same thing night after night and it is all syndicated word for word in every paper that chances are it is utter bullshit? In the old days we would have public debates. People would have various ideas of their own.
Here's one I had a little while back when working on my doors. There is a strong link between paedophilia and homosexuality in criminal cases. The figure is 30 x more likely to be gay if it is a paedophile. A lot of the elite are gay and some have been fingered as paedophiles. I don't think Saville was ever gay and I don't think he went through any elite public school system where they tend to come from. What Saville was, was he was both someone knocking about with the elite, but he was an outsider, as in he was not bred like them. He was from the working class. The word expendable comes to mind. It's just a thought, but it is how I could imagine things. There is a load of suspicion, so what the hell are we all going to do. That's what they might have thought. People like that can kill witnesses if it protects them. They would not worry if he went to prison for along time. It's hard to set someone up when they have an IQ if a genius. He was a Mensa member.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 21, 2024 17:25:02 GMT
almost forgot ....... WMD..... fictitious weapons of mass destruction to start illegal wars. Don't you think it is exactly when all the press say the same thing night after night and it is all syndicated word for word in every paper that chances are it is utter bullshit? In the old days we would have public debates. People would have various ideas of their own.
Here's one I had a little while back when working on my doors. There is a strong link between paedophilia and homosexuality in criminal cases. The figure is 30 x more likely to be gay if it is a paedophile. A lot of the elite are gay and some have been fingered as paedophiles. I don't think Saville was ever gay and I don't think he went through any elite public school system where they tend to come from. What Saville was, was he was both someone knocking about with the elite, but he was an outsider, as in he was not bred like them. He was from the working class. The word expendable comes to mind. It's just a thought, but it is how I could imagine things. There is a load of suspicion, so what the hell are we all going to do. That's what they might have thought. People like that can kill witnesses if it protects them. They would not worry if he went to prison for along time. It's hard to set someone up when they have an IQ if a genius. He was a Mensa member.
Sorry, did the world miss something?
When did they discover the WMD?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 21, 2024 17:31:14 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000. IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied. In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police. Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives. Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives. If you believe that, then you've clearly never heard of something called an "Advice file" which is where the police submit what they have and ask the CPS for advice as to how to proceed. It's where the CPS recommended what further investagive actions may be required. It's not a yes/no. The police work hand-in-glove with the CPS and the CPS direct investigations. And many such were submitted during the Savile investigations. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 17:32:59 GMT
Don't you think it is exactly when all the press say the same thing night after night and it is all syndicated word for word in every paper that chances are it is utter bullshit? In the old days we would have public debates. People would have various ideas of their own.
Here's one I had a little while back when working on my doors. There is a strong link between paedophilia and homosexuality in criminal cases. The figure is 30 x more likely to be gay if it is a paedophile. A lot of the elite are gay and some have been fingered as paedophiles. I don't think Saville was ever gay and I don't think he went through any elite public school system where they tend to come from. What Saville was, was he was both someone knocking about with the elite, but he was an outsider, as in he was not bred like them. He was from the working class. The word expendable comes to mind. It's just a thought, but it is how I could imagine things. There is a load of suspicion, so what the hell are we all going to do. That's what they might have thought. People like that can kill witnesses if it protects them. They would not worry if he went to prison for along time. It's hard to set someone up when they have an IQ if a genius. He was a Mensa member.
Sorry, did the world miss something?
When did they discover the WMD?
I'm agreeing with you . The WMD bullshit was syndicated across the entire western media and it turn out to be utter bullshit. People have got to understand that sayng something a lot does not make it any truer. I wonder even if the police did have 450 names who genuinely came forward to report genuine crimes, or was it like back in the 70s where mother would take the child into a department store and a Father Christmas would sit him or her on his knee and tell a story or something. A large department store could be accused of a huge number of cases of "sexual touching" if you stretched the definition sufficiently. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 21, 2024 17:38:09 GMT
Are you Dubdrifter Mk2?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 21, 2024 17:39:33 GMT
To give posters some idea of the sheer volume of cases that the CPS deals with, in the last quarter of 2023 the number of completed convictions was 100,289. Based upon that figure we have to assume that annual completed conviction numbers must be around 400,000. IT IS NOT the job of the CPS to investigate any crime or alleged crime - That is the job of the Police, it is then up to the Police to present a file to the CPS for them to determine if a successful conviction can be brought about, and / or to assess whether further evidence would be needed, and to determine what charge(s) should be applied. In the case of Jimmy Saville, it was the police who initially FUCKED UP THE CASE and NOT the CPS The fact that Saville was not prosecutted earlier has been conclusively proven NOT to have been the fault of either Sir Keir Starmer or the Crown Prosecution Service ... It was the fault of the Police. Leading figures within the CPS at the time did come forward to strenuously defend Keir Starmer against sinister accusations with political motives. Starmer hid nothing, he covered up nothing, and such suggestions are merely conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence. They are also pathetic attempts to blacken the name of someone for no other reason than for political motives. If you believe that, then you've clearly never heard of something called an "Advice file" which is where the police submit what they have and ask the CPS for advice as to how to proceed. It's where the CPS recommended what further investagive actions may be required. It's not a yes/no. The police work hand-in-glove with the CPS and the CPS direct investigations. And many such were submitted during the Savile investigations. I had not heard of that, but perhaps it is worth reviewing that file and see what they actually said. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 21, 2024 17:41:54 GMT
If you believe that, then you've clearly never heard of something called an "Advice file" which is where the police submit what they have and ask the CPS for advice as to how to proceed. It's where the CPS recommended what further investagive actions may be required. It's not a yes/no. The police work hand-in-glove with the CPS and the CPS direct investigations. And many such were submitted during the Savile investigations. I had not heard of that, but perhaps it is worth reviewing that file and see what they actually said. Yes. I'd be very interested. So why haven't they? |
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