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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 17, 2024 12:08:48 GMT
Has our politics become about the personalities rather than the policies?
Looking at most of the forum, far more effort is put in to criticising the politicians themselves, rather than the actual policies?
Could you ever support a policy coming from a politician who you don't normally agree with?
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2024 12:12:59 GMT
Has our politics become about the personalities rather than the policies? Looking at most of the forum, far more effort is put in to criticising the politicians themselves, rather than the actual policies? Could you ever support a policy coming from a politician who you don't normally agree with? It always has been. The personality of politicians will affect the policies that they proffer. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 17, 2024 12:33:07 GMT
Has our politics become about the personalities rather than the policies? Looking at most of the forum, far more effort is put in to criticising the politicians themselves, rather than the actual policies? Could you ever support a policy coming from a politician who you don't normally agree with? Regarding this government, it's easy to criticise personalities for two reasons. 1) From 2019 as leader of the opposition Starmer spent five years constantly criticising the Tories for sleaze, breaking the rules, breaking the ministerial code etc etc and never missed an opportunity to demand that Johnson then Sunak were not fit for office and should resign. However, once in office it transpires that Starmer is exactly the same, in-fact many commentators say he is worse particularly around allegations of thousands of pounds in undeclared 'gifts'. 2) It's easy to focus on personalities rather than policies when policies are so thin on the ground, or none existent. This is largely because Starmer, being a socialist, is very secretive. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 17, 2024 12:42:03 GMT
Has our politics become about the personalities rather than the policies?Looking at most of the forum, far more effort is put in to criticising the politicians themselves, rather than the actual policies? Could you ever support a policy coming from a politician who you don't normally agree with? When hasn't it?......
People are pissed off big time with labours hypocrisy and double standards..
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 17, 2024 13:07:09 GMT
Has our politics become about the personalities rather than the policies? It always was. Policy is as often driven by personal ideology as much as pragmatism and fact. Now more than ever. Looking at most of the forum, far more effort is put in to criticising the politicians themselves, rather than the actual policies? As above, one follows the other. Could you ever support a policy coming from a politician who you don't normally agree with? Absolutely. For example, I often found myself in agreement with Kate Hoey - one of the few Labour MPs with any sense. Overall, perception of personality is based on that personality's actions: Act like a cunt and be judged as one. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 17, 2024 13:17:02 GMT
Says andrea who witnessed the Labour witch-hunt character assassination on Johnson, because he dare have a sip of wine and nibble of a cake for his birthday.
The same reason Trump has had two assassination attempts on his life because the opposition democrats are continually running their presidential campaign on trashing Trumps personality and personal life rather than his politics.
Watch andrea start making lefty excuses .... lol
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Post by jonksy on Sept 17, 2024 13:21:42 GMT
Says andrea who witnessed the Labour witch-hunt character assassination on Johnson, because he dare have a sip of wine and nibble of a cake for his birthday.The same reason Trump has had two assassination attempts on his life because the opposition democrats are continually running their presidential campaign on trashing Trumps personality and personal life rather than his politics. Watch andrea start making lefty excuses .... lol Funny how andrea never condemed 2TK for his organised piss up tho wasn't it? Or condem rayner for flashing her wares across the house. No andrea then entered defence mode he must think we all have short memories. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 17, 2024 13:28:11 GMT
Says andrea who witnessed the Labour witch-hunt character assassination on Johnson, because he dare have a sip of wine and nibble of a cake for his birthday.The same reason Trump has had two assassination attempts on his life because the opposition democrats are continually running their presidential campaign on trashing Trumps personality and personal life rather than his politics. Watch andrea start making lefty excuses .... lol Funny how andrea never condemed 2TK for his organised piss up tho wasn't it? Or condem rayner for flashing her wares across the house. No andrea then entered defence mode he must think we all have short memories. It's the typical double standard lefty hypocrisy mentality, Starmer is doing everything he demanded enquiries and resignations from the Tory party, but it's Labour and Starmer..
Keir Starmer suggests he will continue accepting donors’ gifts
This is the same Starmer who had a complete mental meltdown because Johnson's Mrs and her wallpaper ..
Starmer was so pious over Boris’ wallpaper & now he’s accepting party frocks for his wife… he should be very careful
Party-frock-gate sees him find himself having to spin as an 'oversight' why he secretly took thousands of pounds worth of luxury clothes for his wife
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2024 13:34:49 GMT
I don’t tend to agree with Angela Rayner but I do respect that she was a union rep .
Her idea that one shouldn’t be a phone slave to work is good .
Her idea that more houses should be built is good .
In principle, I agree with a four day working week.
My problem with her is if she is clever enough not to make a hash of itl
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 17, 2024 14:11:02 GMT
I don’t tend to agree with Angela Rayner but I do respect that she was a union rep . Her idea that one shouldn’t be a phone slave to work is good . Her idea that more houses should be built is good . In principle, I agree with a four day working week. My problem with her is if she is clever enough not to make a hash of itl Like many double standard hypocritical lefties like Rayner, her and her husband bought not one but two council houses under Maggie Thatch right to buy scheme, they both made a tidy sum out of them, but the same Rayner now wants to abolish the right to buy.
She has also knocked back housing developments within her constituency, also most government run departments like HMRC most people can never get through at the best of times so a four day week people will be tearing their hair out if they can't cope at the moment with 5 days a week.
Rayner like most of the lefties are double standard hypocrites, and for that reason they can't be taken seriously.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2024 14:18:00 GMT
I don’t tend to agree with Angela Rayner but I do respect that she was a union rep . Her idea that one shouldn’t be a phone slave to work is good . Her idea that more houses should be built is good . In principle, I agree with a four day working week. My problem with her is if she is clever enough not to make a hash of itl Like many double standard hypocritical lefties like Rayner, her and her husband bought not one but two council houses under Maggie Thatch right to buy scheme, they both made a tidy sum out of them, but the same Rayner now wants to abolish the right to buy.
She has also knocked back housing developments within her constituency, also most government run departments like HMRC most people can never get through at the best of times so a four day week people will be tearing their hair out if they can't cope at the moment with 5 days a week.
Rayner like most of the lefties are double standard hypocrites, and for that reason they can't be taken seriously.
Indeed but the post was a question about supporting a policy from a politician that I did agree with. I do , in principle, agree with the three policies mentioned but ( as said) I’m not sure whether she is clever enough to make it work . Imo a four day week for HMRC telephone staff probably wouldnt be a problem . |
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Post by Hutchyns on Sept 17, 2024 14:20:38 GMT
andrewbrown
Not that I was ever gullible enough to vote for either of them, but when Gordon Brown announced 'British jobs for British workers' and when Tony Blair announced 'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime', the policies that they'd have to implement to bring such intentions to fruition seemed as though they'd definitely be something I'd get behind. That both proved to be nothing more than empty platitudes to deceive the public just goes to prove that nothing much changes I suppose.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 17, 2024 14:23:16 GMT
Like many double standard hypocritical lefties like Rayner, her and her husband bought not one but two council houses under Maggie Thatch right to buy scheme, they both made a tidy sum out of them, but the same Rayner now wants to abolish the right to buy.
She has also knocked back housing developments within her constituency, also most government run departments like HMRC most people can never get through at the best of times so a four day week people will be tearing their hair out if they can't cope at the moment with 5 days a week.
Rayner like most of the lefties are double standard hypocrites, and for that reason they can't be taken seriously.
Indeed but the post was a question about supporting a policy from a politician that I did agree with. I do , in principle, agree with the three policies mentioned but ( as said) I’m not sure whether she is clever enough to make it work . Imo a four day week for HMRC telephone staff probably wouldnt be a problem . In the right hands many of Labours plans would be beneficial, but the emphasis is on the words ... 'in the right hands'.
Let's face it, Starmer/Rayner/Reeves/Lammy ... is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 17, 2024 14:33:21 GMT
If people actually liked Labour they'd have gotten close to 14 million votes like the Tories did in 2019.
Instead they got less than ten.
Personality is part of it, but also policies.
Labour have been on the wrong side of history for over 20 years.
They've learned nothing.
They're still obsessing with focus groups instead of listening to their constituents.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 17, 2024 14:34:43 GMT
The financial wheels are coming off the wagon as countries switch allegiance to the BRICs meaning politicians don't have enough funds to fix everything we need so need masking to protect this comes in. Tax havens have not helped either.
Green policies are also making us poorer and the former 3rd world does not care unless they are a low lying island.
Obviously there is always corruption through lobbying and financial payments.
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