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Post by thomas on Oct 2, 2024 8:09:57 GMT
imagine being a labour supporter at the moment sheepwash , and coming to terms with what you have voted for? Do you think it the equivalent of putting ten bob under the pillow and waiting for the tooth fairy to appear? Across numerous forums , the only people actually supporting starmer that are left are either the cult members like see 2 , or gullible liberals . Ive never seen a uk prime minister , or politician in general , nosedive so quickly as starmer. You are stupid enough, or maybe just too biased, in judging this government as you do, after they have hardly had time to leave the starting blocks. im obviously the same as the majority being polled at the minute then eh see 2? while you have your head in the sand as normal....
UK business confidence dips to lowest level since general election
Research concludes Labour warnings of tough budget may have sapped optimism about the economy
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 8:10:54 GMT
…Even before the Labour gathering in Liverpool – originally billed as a chance to celebrate its return to power after 14 years – Starmer’s ratings had collapsed 45 points since July to -26 by last weekend (with 24% approving of the job he was doing, against 50% who disapproved). Conference week, however, saw a further drop of four points to -30, by far the lowest he has ever recorded.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/28/keir-starmer-hits-new-low-in-personal-popularity-ratings Yes we know! And not unexpected from the heart on sleeve who voted for Labour. But the truth of the pudding is in the eating, you have the best part of five years to taste the pudding  |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 8:12:30 GMT
Don't be silly, this part of the thread would not exist if it had, ...and you new labour types laughed at liz truss? Keir starmer......liz.....hawd my beer......  Not interested in you childish approach to politics ^^ |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 2, 2024 8:33:26 GMT
Exactly . And a thing can't have a opinion nor can it define anything. Hence why I questioned your earlier assertion that: Because clearly it doesn't. So I aksed you who does make that definition exactly. Which you have so far been unable to answer. In the same way that you've been unable to define "Far Right". It is a system for clarification of what is taking place. And it does refer to the AfD as Far-Right. I have repeatedly posted I DO NOT DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE Afd IS FAR-RIGHT. The Germans have made that decision, it is after all a German political party. Which Germans? |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 2, 2024 8:46:37 GMT
…Even before the Labour gathering in Liverpool – originally billed as a chance to celebrate its return to power after 14 years – Starmer’s ratings had collapsed 45 points since July to -26 by last weekend (with 24% approving of the job he was doing, against 50% who disapproved). Conference week, however, saw a further drop of four points to -30, by far the lowest he has ever recorded.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/sep/28/keir-starmer-hits-new-low-in-personal-popularity-ratings Yes we know! And not unexpected from the heart on sleeve who voted for Labour. But the truth of the pudding is in the eating, you have the best part of five years to taste the pudding At this point I would normally give.you the phone and say call somebody who gives a flying fuck. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 2, 2024 8:58:39 GMT
ill informed? Rebirth might be daft , but he's no daft enough to vote labour...... But so ill-informed, when like yourself, he is too ready to attack this government before we have seen what it can or cannot do for this seriously financially damaged and miss-managed country.
I seem to recall that you have posted that you had worked as an engineer then left and tried to jump on the increasingly trendy bandwagon of niche ''therapy''. Perhaps you will detail your personal experience and qualification of running a success private sector business . How many staff you employed , size of investments ,imports, exports, structure and major projects ? How would you have the ability to assess financial damage and mismanagement if you have no experience of the same? AS for what your beloved lefty labourites have done in government since election 3 months ago - unless you are a train driver, work in the non productive public sector the answer is to cause private sector business confidence ( the only bit that actually produces the funds for their commie desires) to fall to its lowest level since covid .......oh and I nearly forgot , stopped giving granny the equivalent of 0.55p a day towards her annual fuel bill which will knowingly cause approx an extra 4000 OAPs a year to die ( average annual fuel bill is now £1700 paapparently) The GfK Consumer Confidence indicator in the United Kingdom fell sharply to -20 in September 2024 from -13 in the previous two months, hitting the lowest level in six months as households nervously awaited next month’s autumn Budget. The latest figure also missed forecasts for a third straight reading of -13. Expectations for personal finances over the next 12 months dropped 9 points to -3, while the 12-month outlook for the economy declined 12 points to -27. www.investmentweek.co.uk/news/4365535/business-confidence-uk-economy-plunges-lowest-level-december-2022tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/consumer-confidencewww.lloydsbankinggroup.com/media/press-releases/2024/lloyds-bank-2024/business-confidence-fallshtmlwww.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/30/uk-business-confidence-dips-to-lowest-level-since-general-electionwww.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-business-confidence-falls-further-in-september/ |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 2, 2024 9:13:14 GMT
And you said that with re to the AfD, so tell us how you know their "fangs" will come out?And your response can't be simply because you believe Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler are far right, you need to tell us why AfD's own fangs (like you claimed) will come out. What in their policy document, or your mind makes you believe that? After all this is what you said about the AfD: The simple question is, how do you know what they're going to do if they ever gain power. Help us "naive rightists" to spot these terrible parties! Otherwise, it'd is safe to conclude that this quote regarding you was spot on, as you've failed to "explain and unpack" how or why the AfD will get their fangs out when in control. Until then, all you have done is smear. 1. NO, I say that in reference to far-right governments like those of Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler. I say it as a warning to beware of far-right propaganda that could pave the way to a Far-Right government. Please try and make your posts factual. 2. I warned that the 'fangs' of the Far-Right only show when they are in government, and have taken control. That would be the norm for the Far-Right as shown in history. I have already seen on TV German people demonstrating against the AfD. I might see if I can find it and post it. 3. I have shown reasons to be wary of Far-Right governments. It is so obvious I do wonder why your play so hard to not take any notice. The one answer looks like you are Far-Right in your feelings. 4. Accusations of 'smearing' are one of the dishonest hiding places of Rightists. My posts are factual, in fact I have quoted your own words and all you keep doing is waffling and shifting the goalposts. I have asked you very specific questions and you haven't been able to answer one honestly. The conclusion to this is you are talking complete and utter rubbish as you have failed throughout this entire thread to explain 1) why the AfD are far-right to you, and 2) what you believe the so-called far right (AfD) have shown that will allow them to do atrocious things in government like your historic reference figures suggest - You've talked absolute rubbish that only obfuscates specific questions asked of you. - You have demonstrated you have no opinion of your own re. the AfD. - You've failed to explain and unpack your reasoning and the claims you've made about them and far-right. You smear and that's all you've offered apart from a smattering of dishonesty in your very own thread. What a waste of time this discussion has been with you, when you can't even answer specific questions to your own claims. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 12:39:37 GMT
You are stupid enough, or maybe just too biased, in judging this government as you do, after they have hardly had time to leave the starting blocks. im obviously the same as the majority being polled at the minute then eh see 2? while you have your head in the sand as normal....
UK business confidence dips to lowest level since general election
Research concludes Labour warnings of tough budget may have sapped optimism about the economy
www.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/30/uk-business-confidence-dips-to-lowest-level-since-general-electionIts all too soon. The Government advised that some hard decisions needed to be taken in their early days in government, such was the dire circumstances they inherited from the Tories. Those who only expect to see hard-left approaches by this Labour government were in for a shock, intelligent individuals look beyond the hard-left and the dopes who never see anything other than an opportunity to denigrate Labour. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 12:45:49 GMT
1. NO, I say that in reference to far-right governments like those of Galtieri, Pinochet, Franco and Hitler. I say it as a warning to beware of far-right propaganda that could pave the way to a Far-Right government. Please try and make your posts factual. 2. I warned that the 'fangs' of the Far-Right only show when they are in government, and have taken control. That would be the norm for the Far-Right as shown in history. I have already seen on TV German people demonstrating against the AfD. I might see if I can find it and post it. 3. I have shown reasons to be wary of Far-Right governments. It is so obvious I do wonder why your play so hard to not take any notice. The one answer looks like you are Far-Right in your feelings. 4. Accusations of 'smearing' are one of the dishonest hiding places of Rightists. My posts are factual, in fact I have quoted your own words and all you keep doing is waffling and shifting the goalposts. I have asked you very specific questions and you haven't been able to answer one honestly. The conclusion to this is you are talking complete and utter rubbish as you have failed throughout this entire thread to explain 1) why the AfD are far-right to you, and 2) what you believe the so-called far right (AfD) have shown that will allow them to do atrocious things in government like your historic reference figures suggest - You've talked absolute rubbish that only obfuscates specific questions asked of you. - You have demonstrated you have no opinion of your own re. the AfD. - You've failed to explain and unpack your reasoning and the claims you've made about them and far-right. You smear and that's all you've offered apart from a smattering of dishonesty in your very own thread. What a waste of time this discussion has been with you, when you can't even answer specific questions to your own claims. You have done nothing other than misinterpret my words and falsely accuse me of having made claims I haven't made and of having no opinion despite pages of explanations from me. That makes you a first class, unadulterated liar. SHAME ON YOU. Get yourself to Confession. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 2, 2024 12:55:14 GMT
My posts are factual, in fact I have quoted your own words and all you keep doing is waffling and shifting the goalposts. I have asked you very specific questions and you haven't been able to answer one honestly. The conclusion to this is you are talking complete and utter rubbish as you have failed throughout this entire thread to explain 1) why the AfD are far-right to you, and 2) what you believe the so-called far right (AfD) have shown that will allow them to do atrocious things in government like your historic reference figures suggest - You've talked absolute rubbish that only obfuscates specific questions asked of you. - You have demonstrated you have no opinion of your own re. the AfD. - You've failed to explain and unpack your reasoning and the claims you've made about them and far-right. You smear and that's all you've offered apart from a smattering of dishonesty in your very own thread. What a waste of time this discussion has been with you, when you can't even answer specific questions to your own claims. You have done nothing other than misinterpret my words and falsely accuse me of having made claims I haven't made and of having no opinion despite pages of explanations from me. That makes you a first class, unadulterated liar. SHAME ON YOU. Get yourself to Confession. Blimey, how deluded can you be? Do you even read the shit you post? 🤣 |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 12:56:46 GMT
But so ill-informed, when like yourself, he is too ready to attack this government before we have seen what it can or cannot do for this seriously financially damaged and miss-managed country.
I seem to recall that you have posted that you had worked as an engineer then left and tried to jump on the increasingly trendy bandwagon of niche ''therapy''. Perhaps you will detail your personal experience and qualification of running a success private sector business . How many staff you employed , size of investments ,imports, exports, structure and major projects ? How would you have the ability to assess financial damage and mismanagement if you have no experience of the same? AS for what your beloved lefty labourites have done in government since election 3 months ago - unless you are a train driver, work in the non productive public sector the answer is to cause private sector business confidence ( the only bit that actually produces the funds for their commie desires) to fall to its lowest level since covid .......oh and I nearly forgot , stopped giving granny the equivalent of 0.55p a day towards her annual fuel bill which will knowingly cause approx an extra 4000 OAPs a year to die ( average annual fuel bill is now £1700 paapparently) The GfK Consumer Confidence indicator in the United Kingdom fell sharply to -20 in September 2024 from -13 in the previous two months, hitting the lowest level in six months as households nervously awaited next month’s autumn Budget. The latest figure also missed forecasts for a third straight reading of -13. Expectations for personal finances over the next 12 months dropped 9 points to -3, while the 12-month outlook for the economy declined 12 points to -27. www.investmentweek.co.uk/news/4365535/business-confidence-uk-economy-plunges-lowest-level-december-2022tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/consumer-confidencewww.lloydsbankinggroup.com/media/press-releases/2024/lloyds-bank-2024/business-confidence-fallshtmlwww.theguardian.com/business/2024/sep/30/uk-business-confidence-dips-to-lowest-level-since-general-electionwww.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-business-confidence-falls-further-in-september/Just can't stop yourself from lying ^^ it exposes your stupidity, and does nothing for your credibility. Not remotely interested in your whinging which you are an expert at, and have probably been doing since your childhood. I certainly do not expect you even be able to take an objective look at this Government. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 13:03:37 GMT
You have done nothing other than misinterpret my words and falsely accuse me of having made claims I haven't made and of having no opinion despite pages of explanations from me. That makes you a first class, unadulterated liar. SHAME ON YOU. Get yourself to Confession. Blimey, how deluded can you be? Do you even read the shit you post? 🤣 The squeezed Middle farts again ^^. Your Avatar is a clear indication of your ownership of the shitty "DARK LEGEND" which appears to be in your DNA, as it controls your mind and destroys your ability to debate. It places you amongst the serious trouble making nasties who cause problems in this world. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 2, 2024 13:20:48 GMT
Just can't stop yourself from lying ^^ it exposes your stupidity, and does nothing for your credibility. Not remotely interested in your whinging which you are an expert at, and have probably been doing since your childhood. I certainly do not expect you even be able to take an objective look at this Government. The only lies are from you , no-one else I've posted evidenced facts ( a word alien to you and your posts which have very little relationship with reality and which you cannot evidence ) You continue to troll this and other threads for your personal agenda- does your carer know that they left the pc password out? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 2, 2024 13:25:05 GMT
Blimey, how deluded can you be? Do you even read the shit you post? 🤣 The squeezed Middle farts again ^^. Your Avatar is a clear indication of your ownership of the shitty "DARK LEGEND" which appears to be in your DNA, as it controls your mind and destroys your ability to debate. It places you amongst the serious trouble making nasties who cause problems in this world. Yes, I am the destroyer of worlds. Muhahahahahaha! Well, either that or you're deluded. I reckon Option B. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 2, 2024 13:40:01 GMT
Just can't stop yourself from lying ^^ it exposes your stupidity, and does nothing for your credibility. Not remotely interested in your whinging which you are an expert at, and have probably been doing since your childhood. I certainly do not expect you even be able to take an objective look at this Government. The only lies are from you , no-one else I've posted evidenced facts ( a word alien to you and your posts which have very little relationship with reality and which you cannot evidence ) You continue to troll this and other threads for your personal agenda- does your carer know that they left the pc password out? You are obviously very good at deluding yourself, which makes you useless at grown up debating. |
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