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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2022 8:09:02 GMT
The current German coalition have an agreement to push for developing the EU into a federal union as they currently demand to 'reform' the EU. Germany will only agree to the accession of new member states if this process is accompanied by a reform of the EU in order not to jeopardise the bloc’s ability to act, said Jörg Kukies, state secretary at the Federal Chancellery and top adviser to Chancellor Olaf Scholz at a EURACTIV event.
The call for EU reform has so far been met with resistance – especially from Eastern and Scandinavian member states, but Berlin is confident that a consensus on reforming the EU can be reached.
According to Kukies, the success of the EU reform would boil down to “how hard we negotiate” and “how clearly we communicate that we will only allow enlargement if there are institutional reforms.”
“As the German government, we have very clear positions on this, and the answer is that we need institutional reform. At least at the same time as enlargement,” he added at the EURACTIV event on Friday.
The German government has highlighted the importance of reforming the EU since it took office last year. The coalition agreement even commits the government to push for developing the EU as a European federation.www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-top-aide-no-eu-reform-no-enlargement/This was one of the main reasons we needed to leave the EU in the first place. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 5, 2022 8:19:54 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining..
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 5, 2022 8:48:53 GMT
This has always been the fundamental flaw in the Eurozone that the EU couldn't solve. You can't have a single currency shared between disparate countries without some means of financial union - like the Federal Reserve in the USA. A central bank is required to be able to shift money around the States to keep States solvent. The problem has always been that the richer countries like Germany don't want to subsidise the poorer ones. Germany doesn't want to bail out Greece - even though the strength of Germany's export market is mainly due to the poorer countries keeping the euro exchange rate low. Unfortunately if they do NOT become more federal they're going to break up. But they're probably also going to break up if they do go federal.
The creation of a US of E (a true European superstate) is always what the EU Commission has been pushing for. And the net effect will be a complete elimination of sovereignty of the member states - the removal of vetoes etc. This is basically why we HAD to leave the EU. But the EUphiles simply don't understand that this is where the EU is going.
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 5, 2022 12:42:04 GMT
Hopefully the EU keep erecting these kinds of barriers. This will thwart any last vestige of hope in re-joining the EU.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2022 12:48:02 GMT
"You can't have a single currency shared between disparate countries without some means of financial union - like the Federal Reserve in the USA. A central bank is required to be able to shift money around the States to keep States solvent."
Sounds like a bonzer idea. Why don't they just have a European Central Bank to shift money around the Eurozone? Er, oh wait though...
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 5, 2022 13:32:20 GMT
It's the difference between a fiscal union (the USA) and a monetary union (the Eurozone). The EU needs to have fiscal union for the Eurozone but the member states don't want it. Look it up if you weren't aware of this.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 5, 2022 13:36:30 GMT
It's the difference between a fiscal union (the USA) and a monetary union (the Eurozone). The EU needs to have fiscal union for the Eurozone but the member states don't want it. Look it up if you weren't aware of this. Damn! National sovereignty keeps getting in the way, doesn't it? It's a bit like the EU parliament not having the power to initiate laws. Brexiters think it would be a great idea for it to be able to initiate legislation, but the member states don't want it because of the impact it would have on national sovereignty. If only the people who don't want to be in the EU under any circumstances could make the rules... |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 5, 2022 14:02:54 GMT
It's the difference between a fiscal union (the USA) and a monetary union (the Eurozone). The EU needs to have fiscal union for the Eurozone but the member states don't want it. Look it up if you weren't aware of this. Damn! National sovereignty keeps getting in the way, doesn't it. It's a bit like the EU parliament not having the power to initiate laws. Brexiters think it would be a great idea for it to be able to initiate legislation, but the member states don't want it because of the impact it would have on national sovereignty. If only the people who don't want to be in the EU under any circumstances could make the rules... What complete nonsense. I've never heard any Brexiteer saying that the EU parliament should be allowed to initiate laws. That's what govts do - or in the case of the EU it's the Commission.  |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 5, 2022 14:04:06 GMT
What complete nonsense. I've never heard any Brexiteer saying that the EU parliament should be allowed to initiate laws. That's what govts do - or in the case of the EU it's the Commission. Really? You've never heard any Leaver say that the EU parliament is undemocratic because it can't make laws? I find that very hard to believe. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 6, 2022 8:10:54 GMT
The EU parliament was always a total sham. And parliament doesn't make laws. Laws are made by the Executive (the govt in our case - the Commission in the EU). It has to be a central body - the idea that laws could be made by 27 countries is a recipe for chaos.
But isn't it interesting that there's so little involvement in the BIGGEST problem that the EU has - its ludicrous attempt to have a single currency without fiscal union. It's almost as if none of you EUphiles know anything about it.
I remember years ago, during one of the periodic Eurozone crises (probably 2008), one of the EU Commission said that the EU were always aware that the Eurozone wouldn't work without fiscal union - "economic convergence" was always a fantasy. But he likened it to getting a horse to jump a big fence. Sometimes, he said, the horse needs a big shock to make it jump. He thought the Credit Crunch was that shock but it wasn't - the bigger, richer countries like Germany were not ready to ditch the EU "no bailouts" policy and start paying off the debts of the less fortunate countries like Greece (and now Spain and Italy). But they know that the EUrozone can't work without it. There's a need for a mechanism to address distortions in sovereign debt markets - a kind of insurance scheme or banking union - but they're worried about moral hazard. If the Greeks know they're going to be bailed out they'll borrow even more etc.
But the Eurozone is in a total mess and something needs to be done. Yet no one can agree on how to do it. If they try to impose fiscal union many countries will want to leave - and if they don't many will HAVE to leave.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 9, 2022 11:45:38 GMT
The EU parliament was always a total sham. And parliament doesn't make laws. Laws are made by the Executive (the govt in our case - the Commission in the EU). It has to be a central body - the idea that laws could be made by 27 countries is a recipe for chaos. Laws aren't made by the government. Statute law is made by the government. Common law is made by the judiciary. And Parliament makes laws, not the government. At least it should. The government makes some laws through ministers' use of statutory instruments. What's more the FPTP system means that a political party that gets only 40% of the vote can take power. This means the majority is ruled by a minority. Add to that the fact that more than half of parliament is unelected and the result is one of the most undemocratic countries in Western Europe. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 9, 2022 16:44:01 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining.. The economy will decide, just as it did in 1973 |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 9, 2022 17:31:44 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining.. The economy will decide, just as it did in 1973 You will have to fight the next referendum on the basis of joining a federal EU - something that the Remain campaign in 2016 assured us was never going to happen.\ Good luck.  |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 10, 2022 7:41:51 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining.. The economy will decide, just as it did in 1973 The Remain campaign fought the 2016 referendum on the economy - and LOST. The Leave campaign won on the promise to "take back control". I can't see "Give back Control" working very well though. The 1975 referendum on "European Communities" was fought on the false premise that it was NOT a political project - just a free trade agreement. It started off that way but soon changed - and it rapldly destroyed our industry. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 14:08:48 GMT
The economy will decide, just as it did in 1973 The Remain campaign fought the 2016 referendum on the economy - and LOST. The Leave campaign won on the promise to "take back control". I can't see "Give back Control" working very well though. The 1975 referendum on "European Communities" was fought on the false premise that it was NOT a political project - just a free trade agreement. It started off that way but soon changed - and it rapldly destroyed our industry. Did Remain lose? A High Court judge said that referendum result would have been set aside if it weren't for the fact it was advisory. Nobody lost a democratic referendum because no democratic referendum was held. |
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