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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 14:20:56 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 16:57:29 GMT
You obviously belong to that hardcore of over 65s who still hold the opinion that Brexit was a win. Everyone else has abandoned faith in Brexit, but you're heroically clinging on. Good for you! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 17:08:05 GMT
You obviously belong to that hardcore of over 65s who still hold the opinion that Brexit was a win. Everyone else has abandoned faith in Brexit, but you're heroically clinging on. Good for you! No, I belong in the real world. Remain lost and we have left the EU. You can tell lies if you like, whilst relying on extreme pro-EU media, but at the end of the day I am right and you are wrong. |
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 17:13:56 GMT
You obviously belong to that hardcore of over 65s who still hold the opinion that Brexit was a win. Everyone else has abandoned faith in Brexit, but you're heroically clinging on. Good for you! No, I belong in the real world. Remain lost and we have left the EU. You can tell lies if you like, whilst relying on extreme pro-EU media, but at the end of the day I am right and you are wrong. Well, let's hope I continue to be 'wrong', because things are turning out quite nicely. The timing's quite nice, too. I expect any doubts about Brexit's so-called benefits will have been dispelled just in time for the next election. Keep denying, though. It's more fun for all involved. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2022 17:17:59 GMT
It's your life you're wasting.
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Post by Einhorn on Dec 10, 2022 17:19:55 GMT
It's your life you're wasting. I'm going for the life half-lived option. It's more energy efficient. |
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Post by Paulus de B on Dec 23, 2022 12:31:28 GMT
The current German coalition have an agreement to push for developing the EU into a federal union as they currently demand to 'reform' the EU. Germany will only agree to the accession of new member states if this process is accompanied by a reform of the EU in order not to jeopardise the bloc’s ability to act, said Jörg Kukies, state secretary at the Federal Chancellery and top adviser to Chancellor Olaf Scholz at a EURACTIV event.
The call for EU reform has so far been met with resistance – especially from Eastern and Scandinavian member states, but Berlin is confident that a consensus on reforming the EU can be reached.
According to Kukies, the success of the EU reform would boil down to “how hard we negotiate” and “how clearly we communicate that we will only allow enlargement if there are institutional reforms.”
“As the German government, we have very clear positions on this, and the answer is that we need institutional reform. At least at the same time as enlargement,” he added at the EURACTIV event on Friday.
The German government has highlighted the importance of reforming the EU since it took office last year. The coalition agreement even commits the government to push for developing the EU as a European federation.www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-top-aide-no-eu-reform-no-enlargement/This was one of the main reasons we needed to leave the EU in the first place. Significant use of the word "reform", too. Leave's Great Lie (Boris's bus) was matched by Remain's Great Lie - "Remain and reform". They implied, though never stated, that some "reform" was possible which would mitigate the souverainist's complaints. This would have been reform in the direction of a looser confederation. The real reformers though, as shown above, were happy to see the back of Britain, so they could get on with the job of reform in the exact opposite direction. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2022 12:48:41 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining.. Yes but more a barrier to any new countries joining. No bad thing IMHO The German coalition du jour (should that be des tages) may want an EU superstate but several EU countries will always veto such (or such becoming subject to majority voting) so it isn't going to happen. But the Germans might carry out that veto on new members - as we should have. Allowing non convergent countries in on peer terms was always a recipe for the near disaster of mass migration. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 24, 2022 7:33:31 GMT
The current German coalition have an agreement to push for developing the EU into a federal union as they currently demand to 'reform' the EU. Germany will only agree to the accession of new member states if this process is accompanied by a reform of the EU in order not to jeopardise the bloc’s ability to act, said Jörg Kukies, state secretary at the Federal Chancellery and top adviser to Chancellor Olaf Scholz at a EURACTIV event.
The call for EU reform has so far been met with resistance – especially from Eastern and Scandinavian member states, but Berlin is confident that a consensus on reforming the EU can be reached.
According to Kukies, the success of the EU reform would boil down to “how hard we negotiate” and “how clearly we communicate that we will only allow enlargement if there are institutional reforms.”
“As the German government, we have very clear positions on this, and the answer is that we need institutional reform. At least at the same time as enlargement,” he added at the EURACTIV event on Friday.
The German government has highlighted the importance of reforming the EU since it took office last year. The coalition agreement even commits the government to push for developing the EU as a European federation.www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-top-aide-no-eu-reform-no-enlargement/This was one of the main reasons we needed to leave the EU in the first place. Significant use of the word "reform", too. Leave's Great Lie (Boris's bus) was matched by Remain's Great Lie - "Remain and reform". They implied, though never stated, that some "reform" was possible which would mitigate the souverainist's complaints. This would have been reform in the direction of a looser confederation. The real reformers though, as shown above, were happy to see the back of Britain, so they could get on with the job of reform in the exact opposite direction. The most likely reform will be the creation of a fiscal union in the Eurozone - which will remove financial control from all members using the euro. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 24, 2022 12:55:06 GMT
The current German coalition have an agreement to push for developing the EU into a federal union as they currently demand to 'reform' the EU. Germany will only agree to the accession of new member states if this process is accompanied by a reform of the EU in order not to jeopardise the bloc’s ability to act, said Jörg Kukies, state secretary at the Federal Chancellery and top adviser to Chancellor Olaf Scholz at a EURACTIV event.
The call for EU reform has so far been met with resistance – especially from Eastern and Scandinavian member states, but Berlin is confident that a consensus on reforming the EU can be reached.
According to Kukies, the success of the EU reform would boil down to “how hard we negotiate” and “how clearly we communicate that we will only allow enlargement if there are institutional reforms.”
“As the German government, we have very clear positions on this, and the answer is that we need institutional reform. At least at the same time as enlargement,” he added at the EURACTIV event on Friday.
The German government has highlighted the importance of reforming the EU since it took office last year. The coalition agreement even commits the government to push for developing the EU as a European federation.www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-top-aide-no-eu-reform-no-enlargement/This was one of the main reasons we needed to leave the EU in the first place. Significant use of the word "reform", too. Leave's Great Lie (Boris's bus) was matched by Remain's Great Lie - "Remain and reform". They implied, though never stated, that some "reform" was possible which would mitigate the souverainist's complaints. This would have been reform in the direction of a looser confederation. The real reformers though, as shown above, were happy to see the back of Britain, so they could get on with the job of reform in the exact opposite direction. The feeling is mutual. Fortunately, the UK is no longer tied to the orbit of what the French and German's find convenient and comfortable. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 18:46:26 GMT
What complete nonsense. I've never heard any Brexiteer saying that the EU parliament should be allowed to initiate laws. That's what govts do - or in the case of the EU it's the Commission.  Really? You've never heard any Leaver say that the EU parliament is undemocratic because it can't make laws? I find that very hard to believe. I believe all EU laws are proposed by the Commission, pass through the Committee and then are passed through the EU Parliament. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 18:49:48 GMT
The economy will decide, just as it did in 1973 You will have to fight the next referendum on the basis of joining a federal EU - something that the Remain campaign in 2016 assured us was never going to happen.\ Good luck.  If the economy says join then join we will. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 18:56:29 GMT
You obviously belong to that hardcore of over 65s who still hold the opinion that Brexit was a win. Everyone else has abandoned faith in Brexit, but you're heroically clinging on. Good for you! No, I belong in the real world. Remain lost and we have left the EU. You can tell lies if you like, whilst relying on extreme pro-EU media, but at the end of the day I am right and you are wrong. AFAIA the UK has not yet reached full agreement on leaving the EU, If you know different perhaps you will point to the final agreement? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 25, 2022 19:03:27 GMT
Another barrier to the UK ever rejoining.. Yes but more a barrier to any new countries joining. No bad thing IMHO The German coalition du jour (should that be des tages) may want an EU superstate but several EU countries will always veto such (or such becoming subject to majority voting) so it isn't going to happen. But the Germans might carry out that veto on new members - as we should have. Allowing non convergent countries in on peer terms was always a recipe for the near disaster of mass migration. IIRC Cameron did negotiate some greater control of FoM and payments from that movement with the EU, that were agreed by the EU and were to be included if Remain had won the referendum. |
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Post by bancroft on Dec 25, 2022 22:34:01 GMT
I actually hope Germany has the guts and resolve to push this through as some will leave and this will leave a stronger rump.
The cards will then be on the table about closer political collaboration.
It should mean Poland and Hungary are out.
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