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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 14, 2024 4:50:25 GMT
No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. Not strictly true: Full freedom of movement from the poorer countries didn't kick in until 2005ish - eight years into the B'liar government. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 15, 2024 9:55:28 GMT
No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. I was going to respond to this, your latest work of fiction, however reading further down the thread I cant help noticing that Sandy Pine and Pacifico have suitably dismantled your fantasy left wing vision of the past with nothing more than facts, for which many thanks. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 15, 2024 10:09:13 GMT
We have to be realistic with immigration, we're a small island nation, we cannot take in everyone who wants to live here. We need a visa system with high standards.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 15, 2024 10:13:13 GMT
No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. Good point they are all lying bastards trying to pass the buck. |
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 15, 2024 11:10:35 GMT
Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. Free Movement of workers began in 1973 when we joined the EEC under Ted Heath. The point about Blair was the accession of the Eastern European States - other member countries in the EU put restrictions on the numbers but Blair decided to allow in as many as wanted to come. With other countries closed to them massive numbers flooded the UK and ushered in the era of mass immigration. Under the terms of Free Movement of Labour as signed by the Conservative government, each state could, if they so chose, invoke a "Transitional Period" of up to 7 years, or "Transitional Arrangements" for up to the same period of seven years. Ireland, Sweden, Malta, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Cyprus chose No Restrictions The UK chose some welfare restrictions Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Finland - 2 year transition restrictions, but no restrictions to free movement Poland anf Hungary - Reprocal arrangements Netherlands - Transition period of 22,000 workers per year Germany and Austria - Transitional restrictions applied to certain sectors, and for Austria a person had to have been employed for one year prior. France - 5 year transitional restrictions but with many exeptions on students, self employed etc So no country applied full transitional rights or restrictions, and no country applied the 7 year option of full restrictions. The very best that the Blair government could have done would have been to delay Free Movement for up to 7 years, taking us to 2011, something which no other member state did. When the Eastern Europeans began arriving in 2004, unemployment did not rise, virtually all the migrant workers went into jobs, they did not steal other peoples jobs, they did not cause queues in doctors waiting rooms or put presure on our NHS, mainly because most were younger, healthier people. The arrival of Eastern European workers filled MANY unfilled vaccancies, they often took jobs that British people were reluctant to do, and they still do today. The closing down of Free Movement and the depature of many European workers HAS led to labour shortages in some sectors - in many areas of the country there has been an influx of West African workers to work in care and nursing, it is very noticable where I live, and so the reality is that we have swapped Poles and Czechs for Nigerians. |
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Post by sandypine on Sept 15, 2024 11:51:49 GMT
Free Movement of workers began in 1973 when we joined the EEC under Ted Heath. The point about Blair was the accession of the Eastern European States - other member countries in the EU put restrictions on the numbers but Blair decided to allow in as many as wanted to come. With other countries closed to them massive numbers flooded the UK and ushered in the era of mass immigration. Under the terms of Free Movement of Labour as signed by the Conservative government, each state could, if they so chose, invoke a "Transitional Period" of up to 7 years, or "Transitional Arrangements" for up to the same period of seven years. Ireland, Sweden, Malta, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Cyprus chose No Restrictions The UK chose some welfare restrictions Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Finland - 2 year transition restrictions, but no restrictions to free movement Poland anf Hungary - Reprocal arrangements Netherlands - Transition period of 22,000 workers per year Germany and Austria - Transitional restrictions applied to certain sectors, and for Austria a person had to have been employed for one year prior. France - 5 year transitional restrictions but with many exeptions on students, self employed etc So no country applied full transitional rights or restrictions, and no country applied the 7 year option of full restrictions. The very best that the Blair government could have done would have been to delay Free Movement for up to 7 years, taking us to 2011, something which no other member state did. When the Eastern Europeans began arriving in 2004, unemployment did not rise, virtually all the migrant workers went into jobs, they did not steal other peoples jobs, they did not cause queues in doctors waiting rooms or put presure on our NHS, mainly because most were younger, healthier people. The arrival of Eastern European workers filled MANY unfilled vaccancies, they often took jobs that British people were reluctant to do, and they still do today. The closing down of Free Movement and the depature of many European workers HAS led to labour shortages in some sectors - in many areas of the country there has been an influx of West African workers to work in care and nursing, it is very noticable where I live, and so the reality is that we have swapped Poles and Czechs for Nigerians. Why are British people reluctant to jobs? Remember the unemployed are heavily weighted to ethnic minorities and were even more so at the time. It seems of all the groups in the UK in the main the White British are generally lowest in unemployment and lowest in disability unemployment, yet we are told they are the ones reluctant to do the jobs. www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc2281/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 15, 2024 17:28:52 GMT
Free Movement of workers began in 1973 when we joined the EEC under Ted Heath. The point about Blair was the accession of the Eastern European States - other member countries in the EU put restrictions on the numbers but Blair decided to allow in as many as wanted to come. With other countries closed to them massive numbers flooded the UK and ushered in the era of mass immigration. Under the terms of Free Movement of Labour as signed by the Conservative government, each state could, if they so chose, invoke a "Transitional Period" of up to 7 years, or "Transitional Arrangements" for up to the same period of seven years. Ireland, Sweden, Malta, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Cyprus chose No Restrictions The UK chose some welfare restrictions Portugal, Spain, Denmark, Finland - 2 year transition restrictions, but no restrictions to free movement Poland anf Hungary - Reprocal arrangements Netherlands - Transition period of 22,000 workers per year Germany and Austria - Transitional restrictions applied to certain sectors, and for Austria a person had to have been employed for one year prior. France - 5 year transitional restrictions but with many exeptions on students, self employed etc So no country applied full transitional rights or restrictions, and no country applied the 7 year option of full restrictions. The very best that the Blair government could have done would have been to delay Free Movement for up to 7 years, taking us to 2011, something which no other member state did. When the Eastern Europeans began arriving in 2004, unemployment did not rise, virtually all the migrant workers went into jobs, they did not steal other peoples jobs, they did not cause queues in doctors waiting rooms or put presure on our NHS, mainly because most were younger, healthier people. The arrival of Eastern European workers filled MANY unfilled vaccancies, they often took jobs that British people were reluctant to do, and they still do today. The closing down of Free Movement and the depature of many European workers HAS led to labour shortages in some sectors - in many areas of the country there has been an influx of West African workers to work in care and nursing, it is very noticable where I live, and so the reality is that we have swapped Poles and Czechs for Nigerians. The point was that the rich countries were the ones that implemented restrictions - that left the UK out on a limb hence the flood of migrants that we saw. It was a massive mistake by the Government who only expected around 10,000 a year to come - in the event it was close to 200,000. This led to a downward pressure on wages to the detriment of UK workers. I agree we have simply swapped one set of immigrants for another - that is not what people voted for - hence the rejection of the Tories. |
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