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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 14:31:35 GMT
No you obviously missed the point and as regards the next bit you largely lost me and possibly yourself. Without the xyz analogies Im saying that over the past 20yrs The Ethnic population in Britain has Grown much higher the equivalent in crime Where has the white British population rate has decreased over the last 20yrs But the white British crime rate has increased over the last 20yrs In the absence of any figures or links and if I take your word as being true and if I think I understand what you are trying to say, it still makes little difference. The white British population has not decreased it is proportionally less of the much increased overall population. It may be true that white British crime has increased, although again there is an absence of stats, but, even if it has, it has not increased at the same rate as ethnic minority crime. Powell may have foretold much foaming of blood if immigration carried on at the same levels he was right of course but possibly for not all the right reasons.
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Post by see2 on Sept 13, 2024 15:19:36 GMT
Low-paid migrant workers are an immediate drain on the public purse, costing taxpayers more than £150,000 each by the time they hit state pension age, according to the Government’s own tax and spending watchdog. The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) said the average low-earner who came to Britain aged 25 cost the Government more overall than they paid in from the moment they arrived. The cumulative bill rose to an estimated £151,000 by the time they could claim the state pension at 66, the watchdog said. This is because low-paid migrants – who the OBR assumes earn half the average wage – put more demand on public services such as the NHS compared to their relatively low-tax payments. The OBR estimated the cost to the public purse rose to almost £500,000 if they lived to 80, and more than £1m if they lived to 100. By contrast, the average British-born worker boosts the public finances by £280,000 by the time they reach 66, even adjusting for education and health spending before they start work. www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/09/12/low-skilled-migrants-cost-taxpayers-150000-each/This is why living standards in every region of the UK have fallen in line with mass immigration and will fall a further 7% over the next two years. Hard pressed British tax payers including pensioners who have paid tax and national insurance for a lifetime, are paying for mass immigration. Its so easy to whinge and whine, why not come up with a legal answer or just stop whinging.
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Post by see2 on Sept 13, 2024 15:23:09 GMT
He certainly not predicted the future Not seen any rivers of blood Really?
And how many black teenagers have been stabbed to death over the last twenty years? And how many killed and injured by Islamist terrorism?
Plenty of blood there, doofus.
But certainly not 'rivers of blood' so you are the stupid person (doofus).
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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 15:29:48 GMT
Really?
And how many black teenagers have been stabbed to death over the last twenty years? And how many killed and injured by Islamist terrorism?
Plenty of blood there, doofus.
But certainly not 'rivers of blood' so you are the stupid person (doofus). Again Powell did not refer to Rivers of Blood, this was a press headline grabber with a bit of licence.
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Post by see2 on Sept 13, 2024 16:19:18 GMT
But certainly not 'rivers of blood' so you are the stupid person (doofus). Again Powell did not refer to Rivers of Blood, this was a press headline grabber with a bit of licence. Not that it makes any difference to my post, but what did he actually say?
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 13, 2024 16:21:46 GMT
Again Powell did not refer to Rivers of Blood, this was a press headline grabber with a bit of licence. Not that it makes any difference to my post, but what did he actually say? It may help to educate yourself before supporting your fellow trolls.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 13, 2024 17:11:54 GMT
Of course they come into equation. And tell me in your opinion when did mass immigration begin No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 17:32:03 GMT
Again Powell did not refer to Rivers of Blood, this was a press headline grabber with a bit of licence. Not that it makes any difference to my post, but what did he actually say? It makes quite a lot of difference 'Like the Roman I seem to see the Tiber foaming with much blood'. There is no river there is only foreboding as regards what is to come that will be unpleasant and bloody. Who could argue that what we have is unpleasant and bloody.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 17:40:57 GMT
No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. When we had free movement between equally prosperous countries there was no problem, it was the expansion of the EU into poorer countries that changed the dynamics of free movement and that was under Blair. Neighbourhoods changed almost overnight. We managed for many years before Eastern Europe acceded to the EU of course part of the problem was the CAP anyway that favoured all sorts of strange activities and procedures. We could not compete because like Britain we played the game within the rules whilst most others ignored them. There are many anecdotes that tell the tale.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 13, 2024 17:57:12 GMT
Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. When we had free movement between equally prosperous countries there was no problem, it was the expansion of the EU into poorer countries that changed the dynamics of free movement and that was under Blair. Neighbourhoods changed almost overnight. We managed for many years before Eastern Europe acceded to the EU of course part of the problem was the CAP anyway that favoured all sorts of strange activities and procedures. We could not compete because like Britain we played the game within the rules whilst most others ignored them. There are many anecdotes that tell the tale. The biggest influx of European migrant workers happened in 2004, when 10 nations joined the EU, mostly Eastern European nations. Of the 15 existing EU members, none applied the full transitional restrictions, and the rules which allowed people from those 10 nations to come to the UK for work, were the rules which John Major signed up to. Meanwhile here in North Yorkshire, and other agricultural food producing areas, there were labour shortages, and the Poles and others solved those labour shortages, working in sausage factories ( Heck ), potato processors ( McCain ), seafood producers ( Whitby Scampi ) and many others who had spent thousands advertising vaccancies week after week in newspapers for years. Eastern European workers came here to WORK, they filled the jobs that our own people would not do, they were mainly young people who were fit and healthy, who did not put a strain on our NHS. They earned their money, worked overtime, and spent their wages in the towns where they lived, contributing to both the local and national economy.
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Post by see2 on Sept 13, 2024 19:13:13 GMT
Not that it makes any difference to my post, but what did he actually say? It may help to educate yourself before supporting your fellow trolls. I replied to a post that used the term 'rivers of blood'. You wouldn't make yourself look so silly if you showed an element of understanding of the context of a comment before spouting another comment that does nothing for your credibility.
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Post by see2 on Sept 13, 2024 19:19:47 GMT
When we had free movement between equally prosperous countries there was no problem, it was the expansion of the EU into poorer countries that changed the dynamics of free movement and that was under Blair. Neighbourhoods changed almost overnight. We managed for many years before Eastern Europe acceded to the EU of course part of the problem was the CAP anyway that favoured all sorts of strange activities and procedures. We could not compete because like Britain we played the game within the rules whilst most others ignored them. There are many anecdotes that tell the tale. The biggest influx of European migrant workers happened in 2004, when 10 nations joined the EU, mostly Eastern European nations. Of the 15 existing EU members, none applied the full transitional restrictions, and the rules which allowed people from those 10 nations to come to the UK for work, were the rules which John Major signed up to. The Tories were in favour of the letting the Freedom of Movement immigrants in, in 2004, for the same reason New Labour let them in, which was an expanding economy and a shortage of workers at many different levels of employment.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 13, 2024 20:24:45 GMT
When we had free movement between equally prosperous countries there was no problem, it was the expansion of the EU into poorer countries that changed the dynamics of free movement and that was under Blair. Neighbourhoods changed almost overnight. We managed for many years before Eastern Europe acceded to the EU of course part of the problem was the CAP anyway that favoured all sorts of strange activities and procedures. We could not compete because like Britain we played the game within the rules whilst most others ignored them. There are many anecdotes that tell the tale. The biggest influx of European migrant workers happened in 2004, when 10 nations joined the EU, mostly Eastern European nations. Of the 15 existing EU members, none applied the full transitional restrictions, and the rules which allowed people from those 10 nations to come to the UK for work, were the rules which John Major signed up to. Meanwhile here in North Yorkshire, and other agricultural food producing areas, there were labour shortages, and the Poles and others solved those labour shortages, working in sausage factories ( Heck ), potato processors ( McCain ), seafood producers ( Whitby Scampi ) and many others who had spent thousands advertising vaccancies week after week in newspapers for years. Eastern European workers came here to WORK, they filled the jobs that our own people would not do, they were mainly young people who were fit and healthy, who did not put a strain on our NHS. They earned their money, worked overtime, and spent their wages in the towns where they lived, contributing to both the local and national economy. However we all paid for the workers in one way or another. They were all entitled to health care and came from poorer health regimes, they got the child benefits even for children living in Eastern Europe, they got all the in work benefits and were eligible for social housing. So the GDP went up, employers got cheaper labour, which it was, and the rest of us paid. We would have bean cheaper to pay a good wage to British workers and saved on all the peripheral costs but I suppose the farmers and CAP got in the way. British people have always worked in all the factories and on the land what made the difference was Eastern Europeans were cheap and as far as a supposedly leftish Labour party was concerned that was good, not for British workers it was not as their wages were ground down to minimum wage jobs for years.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2024 21:44:11 GMT
No, you're wrong. Middle and high earning immigrants are not a drain on the benefits system or social housing. The problem is the vast majority of immigrants are not middle to high earners. Mass immigration started with president Blair and although he was appointed in 1997 he didn't open the floodgates until early 2000's and it's worth mentioning that in later years Labour grandees such as David Blunkett and Frank Field both apologised for Blairs open door immigration policy. In fact, the damage Blair did to this country deserves it's own thread. Free Movement of People began with John Major It was a Conservative government led by Mr Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty allowing for one of the fundamental "Four Freedoms" of the EU, namely freedom of movement of people. When those who attempt to decieve state that "it was under Blairs government", what they REALLY mean is that the terms as negotiated and signed up to by John Major came into force whilst Tony Blair was Prime Minister. I do often wonder what the very many factories associated with agriculture and food would have done without the thousands of Eastern Europeans who came to areas such as Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire and here in North Yorkshire and filled all the thousands of unfilled vaccancies. Free Movement of workers began in 1973 when we joined the EEC under Ted Heath. The point about Blair was the accession of the Eastern European States - other member countries in the EU put restrictions on the numbers but Blair decided to allow in as many as wanted to come. With other countries closed to them massive numbers flooded the UK and ushered in the era of mass immigration.
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Post by Rebirth on Sept 14, 2024 3:49:37 GMT
It may help to educate yourself before supporting your fellow trolls. I replied to a post that used the term 'rivers of blood'. You wouldn't make yourself look so silly if you showed an element of understanding of the context of a comment before spouting another comment that does nothing for your credibility. You're showing the forum that you have no understanding of the historical context which is why you're still trolling the thread and ignoring the response from Sandypine that highlights this fact. This is why every post of yours is a direct projection of your own insecurities. It's all you're capable of, like any other one trick pony.
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