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Post by witchfinder on Aug 30, 2024 11:35:40 GMT
Everything is relative in our First Past The Post system, Labour got a higher percentage in 2016 because votes did not go somewhere else.
For example in 2017 the Lib Dems got 7.4%
2024 the Lib Dems got 12.2%
UKIP / Brexit Party was virtually non-existent in 2017
In 2024 Reform UK got 14%
But more to the point, the Conservatives attained 42.3% of the vote in 2017
23.7% in 2024
Yet in 2017 they had to go into a power sharing agreement with the Unionists
The 2024 result shows that Labour won with a relatively low vote share, but it also shows that the Conservatives got their lowest share of the vote for well over 100 years, lower even than when Blair won his landslide victory in 1997.
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Post by see2 on Aug 30, 2024 13:19:41 GMT
The book that started the story. Yes, so what is it, who wrote it? |
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Post by see2 on Aug 30, 2024 13:26:15 GMT
So with less than two months into a Labour government, some polls indicate falling support for the governing party, and theres another 58 months to go before the next general election. Interesting data from YouGov done mid August shows that allthough Labour won the election on 34% of the popular vote compared to 24% for the Conservatives, if you give voters only 2 choices (Labour or Conservative), Labour come out with 61% and the Tories on 39%. I reckon that the first year of this government is when the tough and unpopular choices will be made, budget decisions made in 2024 will take effect in April 2025 and begin to produce results by April 2026. If Keir Starmer fixes the hole in Britains finances, which he seems to be very serious about doing, and if his plans for growth work, the second half of Labours term will bear fruit. We have had 14 years of NOTHING, only misery, piss poor growth, austerity, failing public services, the NHS on its knees, falling living standards and most people worse off. I am willing to see if Starmer can do better in 5 years than what the Tories did in 14 years. Labour did indeed win the election, with 34% of the vote, and it worth remembering that in 2019 Corbyn lost with 40% of the vote. Which means marxist Corbyn was more popular than Starmer. Out of the frying pan, whatever. Most of us are going to live to regret this Starmer hard left socialist government and over the next couple of years we will see increasing measures put in place to restrict peoples freedoms. Starmer has already publicly said he intends to come down hard on the 'far right'. But as far as comrade Starmer is concerned the 'far right' are no longer fascists or nazis, the . Trust me, there's trouble ahead. Prove your claim that "far right' is any white English person who doesn't agree with him" or stop posting Rightist lies that only back up the reasons for clamping down on the Far-Right. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 30, 2024 13:39:43 GMT
Labour did indeed win the election, with 34% of the vote, and it worth remembering that in 2019 Corbyn lost with 40% of the vote. Which means marxist Corbyn was more popular than Starmer. Out of the frying pan, whatever. Most of us are going to live to regret this Starmer hard left socialist government and over the next couple of years we will see increasing measures put in place to restrict peoples freedoms. Starmer has already publicly said he intends to come down hard on the 'far right'. But as far as comrade Starmer is concerned the 'far right' are no longer fascists or nazis, the . Trust me, there's trouble ahead. Prove your claim that "far right' is any white English person who doesn't agree with him" or stop posting Rightist lies that only back up the reasons for clamping down on the Far-Right. No one knows who the 'far right' are, they are loosely defined if they are defined at all. They seem to include the rioters and those associated with rioters and it is not clear if populist is part of the definition. Starmer is edging towards calling some in parliament 'far right' but does it by implication and allows/instructs others to be more brazen. So far it does seem to include white people who did not vote for him or who now oppose him. Perhaps a definition would help as to what makes a person 'far right'. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2024 17:03:31 GMT
The book that started the story. Yes, so what is it, who wrote it?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2024 17:19:34 GMT
The state of the Labour Party under Starmer...  |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2024 17:23:26 GMT
The state of the Labour Party under Starmer... He described himself as a "renters’ champion". In 2018 Mr Athwal, who led Redbridge Council from 2014 until he became an MP last month, shared an article about a local landlord being fined by the council, writing: "Rogue landlords, we are coming for you." You couldn’t fucking make it up… |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 30, 2024 17:35:34 GMT
Funniest bit is that he refuses to rent to benefit claimants... a Labour MP discriminating against those on welfare, who would have thought?. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2024 11:20:14 GMT
Prove your claim that "far right' is any white English person who doesn't agree with him" or stop posting Rightist lies that only back up the reasons for clamping down on the Far-Right. Why do you insist on proving you're a pillock? How many times has Starmer referred to people who protest against mass immigration as 'far right'? As far as he is concerned anyone who disagrees with their community being overrun with feral Asians/Africans who do not share our values customs traditions or way of life, is a far right racist. Like the vast majority of people in this once great country I absolutely 100% disagree with illegals crossing the channel and mass immigration. As far as Starmer is concerned, that makes me 'far right'. He is not a democrat, he is a left wing autocrat, his mantra is ' agree with me, or face the consequences', and anyone who thinks there is not trouble ahead is a bloody fool. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2024 11:26:34 GMT
Yes, so what is it, who wrote it? I havent read the above book, but this one is an excellent read...  |
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Post by vlk on Sept 1, 2024 15:59:46 GMT
If you think this is bad just imagine what it would have been like if Corbyn had become PM.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 14, 2024 17:21:33 GMT
Labours ratings starting to make them look eminently beatable in 5 years time - a one term wonder.
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Post by witchfinder on Sept 14, 2024 18:44:22 GMT
Despite highly unpopular decisions been taken the Labour Party remain ahead in the polls with 4 years and 10 months to go.
Initial results from early decisions including this years Budget will begin to emerge in October 2025, with 3 years and 9 months to the election.
If Starmers economic advisors are right, and if this government manages to kick start growth figures that we have not regularly seen since the last Labour government, then not only will the deficit be repaired, the government will also be able to invest in infastructure and public services.
It would be too easy to pretend that all is well, and let the National Debt accumulate, putting party before country, but this is not Boris Johnson or Rishi Sunak, this is a different kind of government.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 14, 2024 21:15:46 GMT
Despite highly unpopular decisions been taken the Labour Party remain ahead in the polls with 4 years and 10 months to go. what governments get more popular as time goes on - do you have examples? How are they intending to 'kick-start' growth?. Serious question as the only growth improvement policy I have seen so far is the decisions to allow expansion of London City airport. EVERYTHING else has been anti-growth - increasing taxes on business, increasing regulation, increasing workers rights, imposing higher energy costs... I am not seeing any coherent policy to improve growth so far. So when are you expecting some policies that will improve growth?. What we have seen is that Labour seem intent on talking us into a recession. With all Starmers and Reeves doom and gloom about the economy and promises of things going to get worse, any little growth we had has collapsed. It is not looking good. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Sept 14, 2024 23:08:22 GMT
Labours ratings starting to make them look eminently beatable in 5 years time - a one term wonder. I figured that before the election. Basic idea is Starmer does not have any manifesto, so applying sod's law we understand he will shit on us regarding immigration and we get a rise in the Cons and Reform. If Reform do a good job serving their constituents they could be in for 100 seats or there abouts. |
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