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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 23, 2024 9:53:29 GMT
"Black and minority ethnic defendants are significantly more likely to be charged for a comparable offence than white British defendants in England and Wales, a study commissioned by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has found. The findings, described as “troubling” by the CPS and experts, show that defendants from mixed ethnic backgrounds are most likely to be charged, with 79.1% of the suspects charged, almost 10 percentage points higher than the rate of white British defendants charged." www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/07/defendants-of-colour-more-likely-to-be-charged-than-white-people-finds-cps-studyWell if that’s true the sentencing isn’t reflected in those numbers,there was the Kurd awaiting deportation for several sex offence convictions left free who pushed a postie off the platform in front of a train on the underground then the illegal afghan with a sex offence conviction who threw acid over a woman and child ,he’d avoided deportation by converting to Christianity. Anyway justice should be blind and effective and it’s the effective bit that’s missing and I think the racism card is pulled too often especially on the police who are afraid to do their jobs and in any event they have no control of who eventually goes to court. You're talking about a couple of individual cases. Every bit of nationwide statistical data I've seen suggests the opposite of RR was saying about law and order being skewed against white people.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 23, 2024 11:21:07 GMT
Well if that’s true the sentencing isn’t reflected in those numbers,there was the Kurd awaiting deportation for several sex offence convictions left free who pushed a postie off the platform in front of a train on the underground then the illegal afghan with a sex offence conviction who threw acid over a woman and child ,he’d avoided deportation by converting to Christianity. Anyway justice should be blind and effective and it’s the effective bit that’s missing and I think the racism card is pulled too often especially on the police who are afraid to do their jobs and in any event they have no control of who eventually goes to court. You're talking about a couple of individual cases. Every bit of nationwide statistical data I've seen suggests the opposite of RR was saying about law and order being skewed against white people. That is an inference from the statistical data but is not necessarily correct. There are unknown factors that are ignored as 'racist' to even suggest yet tie in nicely with diversity being sought along racial lines. We know black and brown people are more susceptible to certain diseases and medical conditions and indeed as regards mental health outcomes. We know there is a connection between mental health and crime that is both complex and apparent. I can also repeat the Macpherson recommendations where two tier policing, along racial lines, was actually part of those recommendations.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 23, 2024 12:54:44 GMT
Well if that’s true the sentencing isn’t reflected in those numbers,there was the Kurd awaiting deportation for several sex offence convictions left free who pushed a postie off the platform in front of a train on the underground then the illegal afghan with a sex offence conviction who threw acid over a woman and child ,he’d avoided deportation by converting to Christianity. Anyway justice should be blind and effective and it’s the effective bit that’s missing and I think the racism card is pulled too often especially on the police who are afraid to do their jobs and in any event they have no control of who eventually goes to court. You're talking about a couple of individual cases. Every bit of nationwide statistical data I've seen suggests the opposite of RR was saying about law and order being skewed against white people. If you were able to understand what I posted I didn’t comment on Reds post I was replying to yours,do you understand what justice should be blind means ?Effective in meaning just that ,so in the two examples I gave if it were effective they wouldn’t have gone on to do what they did would they? And yes there was racism and you can’t eradicate it altogether but racism is not confined to white people is it? And what is happening now is that where there is no racism whatsoever it is being used to evade justice and hammer the indigenous population and label them for what they are not which if was done in reverse would cause uproar.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 23, 2024 14:50:10 GMT
You're talking about a couple of individual cases. Every bit of nationwide statistical data I've seen suggests the opposite of RR was saying about law and order being skewed against white people. That is an inference from the statistical data but is not necessarily correct. There are unknown factors that are ignored as 'racist' to even suggest yet tie in nicely with diversity being sought along racial lines. We know black and brown people are more susceptible to certain diseases and medical conditions and indeed as regards mental health outcomes. We know there is a connection between mental health and crime that is both complex and apparent. I can also repeat the Macpherson recommendations where two tier policing, along racial lines, was actually part of those recommendations. There are some women who are taller than most men, does that mean that women are taller than men on average? Statistics may not tell the full story but they are a far more reliable and objective indicator than individual cases or anecdotes.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 23, 2024 17:10:13 GMT
That is an inference from the statistical data but is not necessarily correct. There are unknown factors that are ignored as 'racist' to even suggest yet tie in nicely with diversity being sought along racial lines. We know black and brown people are more susceptible to certain diseases and medical conditions and indeed as regards mental health outcomes. We know there is a connection between mental health and crime that is both complex and apparent. I can also repeat the Macpherson recommendations where two tier policing, along racial lines, was actually part of those recommendations. There are some women who are taller than most men, does that mean that women are taller than men on average? Statistics may not tell the full story but they are a far more reliable and objective indicator than individual cases or anecdotes. Yes they are an indicator of what is. You are drawing a conclusion on a reason for what is and that is not objective at all. We draw many pictures as you indicate above about men and women as regards what is but why that is is a moot point.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2024 16:49:11 GMT
Tom Birley has been sentenced to nine years in prison for rioting outside an illegal immigrant hostel in Rotherham last month. It's a record sentence for rioting, but then again, Tom Birley is white and English.
The two Pakistani Muslims who in full view of CCTV and witnesses savagely beat up three police officers at Manchester airport last month, still havent been charged with anything.
Quite obviously the policies of 'Two-Tier Keir' have been adopted by the police.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 6, 2024 17:17:28 GMT
Tom Birley has been sentenced to nine years in prison for rioting outside an illegal immigrant hostel in Rotherham last month. It's a record sentence for rioting, but then again, Tom Birley is white and English. The two Pakistani Muslims who in full view of CCTV and witnesses savagely beat up three police officers at Manchester airport last month, still havent been charged with anything. Quite obviously the policies of 'Two-Tier Keir' have been adopted by the police. Red Birley has previous convictions for violence , including assaulting Emergency Workers, Arson with intent to cause harm to others is a very serious offence hence the 9 years, he is fortunate he did not get longer IMHO
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2024 17:24:26 GMT
Red Birley has previous convictions for violence , including assaulting Emergency Workers, Arson with intent to cause harm to others is a very serious offence hence the 9 years, he is fortunate he did not get longer IMHO H, given what's going on in this country at the moment I'm confident that if Tom Birley's name was lets say, Abdullah Ahmad, the case wouldn't have got to court because he wouldn't have been arrested let alone charged.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 6, 2024 17:30:36 GMT
Red Birley has previous convictions for violence , including assaulting Emergency Workers, Arson with intent to cause harm to others is a very serious offence hence the 9 years, he is fortunate he did not get longer IMHO H, given what's going on in this country at the moment I'm confident that if Tom Birley's name was lets say, Abdullah Ahmad, the case wouldn't have got to court because he wouldn't have been arrested let alone charged. I disagree, we will have to agree to disagree
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 6, 2024 20:15:50 GMT
The police are investigating the Manchester Evening News, they are not impressed with leaked footage of the Pakistanis who violently assaulted the police. I suppose it's made things, a bit awkward. The IOPC has asked the Manchester Evening News to reveal their sources. Naturally the paper has not, and hopefully will not reveal their sources, no paper should. This is an attack on the free press in order to protect an aggressive minority in the name of 'community cohesion'. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-stamp-incident-criminal-29883060
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Post by wapentake on Sept 6, 2024 21:32:48 GMT
The police are investigating the Manchester Evening News, they are not impressed with leaked footage of the Pakistanis who violently assaulted the police. I suppose it's made things, a bit awkward. The IOPC has asked the Manchester Evening News to reveal their sources. Naturally the paper has not, and hopefully will not reveal their sources, no paper should. This is an attack on the free press in order to protect an aggressive minority in the name of 'community cohesion'. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-stamp-incident-criminal-29883060Nothing much to add to what Handyman posted other than Birley got what he deserved. As far as the criminal investigation in to how the MEN got the footage it did is there one into who gave the footage that only showed the police in a bad light?
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