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Post by ratcliff on Aug 15, 2024 7:59:50 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qe1g4g751oThe Met is failing in almost all areas. It is Adequate in just one area, it is Good or Outstanding in none. 14 Years of Ideological cuts gets you a completely failing Police Service. And that fucking loon Truss, and her right-wing ilk, want to cut Public Spending even further. The Tories wanted to cut Public Spending to make Public Services bad enough that enough people would be fooled into wanting them all privatised. All The Best You know who's in charge of the Met and what it does and has been for his past three terms of office don't you? Ultra labour lefty , Citizen Khan that's who |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 15, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
The Tories wanted to cut Public Spending to make Public Services bad enough that enough people would be fooled into wanting them all privatised. They did? - so why did they raise public spending to record levels? Seems an odd way to go about it...  On a per capita, adjusted for inflation basis they haven't. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 15, 2024 8:05:14 GMT
The Tories were in power for 14 years, some of that as SENIOR partner in a coalition - this is indisputable. a) That was Farage not Starmer, and Farage is likely to end up being investigated by Counter-Terrorism. b) Yeah, bad move; but then Starmer's Labour is almost as Tory-Lite as Blair was. c) Great, the right to withdraw labour needs to be protected. d) Excellent, they are way underpaid, and it makes up for decades of below inflation rises. e) Again, they had been under-paid for decades. All this increase is doing is redressing the balance. So, in just under 6 weeks Labour has ended two sets of strikes that Tory Incompetence had allowed to rumble on for months, thus restoring essential public services to the nation - and you think this is a bad thing? All The Best Clearly you don't understand what a hung parliament is, not to worry. Yes indeed Labour have caved in to their union paymasters and lets face it, who didn't see that comming. The thing is who's going to pay for it? I guess we'll find out in October when this anti English minority appeasing government become even less popular, if that's possible. Governments don't have any money so private sector taxpayer will have to pay , as usual as that is who funds government spending ( They haven't yet announced what rise there will be for benefit handout spongers - that will be another as per their MO - must repay the core vote) |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 15, 2024 8:06:57 GMT
Well Starmer's spending plans can't possibly have caused the events that led up to the report that I linked above, can it? I mean I know Tory hacks are desperate to try and ensure endemic Tory incompetence isn't highlighted; but suggesting Starmer is to blame for a report that happened before he came into power is utterly ludicrous - even by Tory hack standards. I think, so far, the only thing Labour voters regret is that Labour coming to power didn't happen sooner, they could have avoided the last 4 years of Tory incompetence. All The Best I wonder, how long are you going to say 'it's because of the previous government'? Let me tell you something, this government have already pissed off most of the people who voted for them, but that's nothing. Just wait until it gets cold, wait until the autumn when people realise they cant afford to heat their homes and Milliband is telling them that being cold is saving the planet. LOL, I cant wait. He was doing a C2 on another thread yesterday saying it was all Mrs T's fault whilst trying to insist he's not a lefty  |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 15, 2024 8:12:51 GMT
I wonder, how long are you going to say 'it's because of the previous government'? Let me tell you something, this government have already pissed off most of the people who voted for them, but that's nothing. Just wait until it gets cold, wait until the autumn when people realise they cant afford to heat their homes and Milliband is telling them that being cold is saving the planet. LOL, I cant wait. He was doing a C2 on another thread yesterday saying it was all Mrs T's fault whilst trying to insist he's not a lefty I've voted Labour just twice. I've voted Tory 3 times, UKIP twice, and BNP, Liberal and Independent just once. I can't really blame Starmer for something that happened under Thatcher; but I did blame both NuLab and subsequent government for not fixing Thatcher's error. If at the end of Starmer's term in office he has done nothing to fix things, I WILL blame him too. You'll note I've never blamed anyone except New Labour for the Country's abject inability to react appropriately to the global financial crisis; the same one C2 says Labour were not to blame for. Now do you see how a rationale mind actually works? Rather than one fuelled and blinded by partisan political tribalism? All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2024 8:14:42 GMT
They did? - so why did they raise public spending to record levels? Seems an odd way to go about it... On a per capita, adjusted for inflation basis they haven't. All The Best You have a link for that? - because everything I can find says the opposite. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 15, 2024 8:15:19 GMT
On a per capita, adjusted for inflation basis they haven't. All The Best You have a link for that? - because everything I can find says the opposite. Will have a look for you later when I get back from work. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 15, 2024 8:22:39 GMT
Í think the last few weeks/months have shown that it's not lack of funding that has caused the police to be completely ineffectual. The Met (and many other police forces) seem to have loads of police if it wants. When they want to shut down the "far Right" or Tommy Robinson and friends they come out in force. It's just when they have to do some "real" policing, like clamping down on shoplifting or protecting the public, that there's no one available. And this is because the people who are running the police are liberal lefty idealogues who are better suited to a job in left wing politics. THey know little about policing because they were fast tracked from Oxbridge. And this problem is further exacerbated by the fact that if the police ever do try to clamp down on law breakers they had better be bloody careful they don't use "excessive force" or they'll be sacked. The Chief Constables will never support them. I could also add that the reason that the police had their budget cut (by the useless Mrs May) was because they claimed that crime had gone down. It's almost funny in a way. The police fiddled the figures so much (to meet govt targets) that it looked like crime had gone down. It was a lie of course but you can hardly blame an idiot like May for cutting their budget. Also, of course, Sadiq Khan has to take a lot of the blame for the performance of the Met. He's their Commissioner and he's done a bloody awful job. Spot on. Indeed , one of the Mayor of London's key responsibilities is setting the priorities of policing and agreeing with the policing budget . Though government funding has fallen under the Tories the shortfall is always and has always been made up by London ratepayers . So though government funding has fallen by something like 30% Londoners are paying double what they were when Khan took office in 2016 . Next years council taxpayers and business rate payers will be paying a record £1.148 billion for policing so though where the money is coming from has changed the Mets incompetence has nothing to do with funding but with its leadership And the buck stops with Khan And again, spot on. These days vast numbers of police officers are shining their arses in offices, and who can blame them? The vanishingly small minority that still engage in real police work are attempting the impossible task of satisfying the liberal left, for whom any policing is too robust, and the Daily Mail readers for whom no amount of policing is robust enough. And with the added pressures of the “College of Policing” attempting to insert itself as the de-facto regulator of police, the transparently political and anti-police IOPC and the “Senior Leadership” who are themselves just politicians in uniform attempting to satisfy irrelevant criteria in order to pass their next promotion board. And then there's the media for whom good news is no news and bad news, especially about the police, is good news. And then we have the politicians for whom it is easier to blame the police than it is to own up to the real problems in society – for which they are largely responsible. And all lapped up by the ignorati who keep voting for more of the same. It's an object lesson in society getting the policing it deserves. |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 15, 2024 8:23:44 GMT
He was doing a C2 on another thread yesterday saying it was all Mrs T's fault whilst trying to insist he's not a lefty I've voted Labour just twice. I've voted Tory 3 times, UKIP twice, and BNP, Liberal and Independent just once. I can't really blame Starmer for something that happened under Thatcher; but I did blame both NuLab and subsequent government for not fixing Thatcher's error. If at the end of Starmer's term in office he has done nothing to fix things, I WILL blame him too. You'll note I've never blamed anyone except New Labour for the Country's abject inability to react appropriately to the global financial crisis; the same one C2 says Labour were not to blame for. Now do you see how a rationale mind actually works? Rather than one fuelled and blinded by partisan political tribalism? All The Best So do you finally accept that your previous repeated assertion(not corrected despite being given the actual facts) that Mrs T closed all the MH facilities was was a factually incorrect statement ? Yes or no? It's a similar lefty myth as the Mrs T closed the mines , she didn't - earlier labour administrations closed many more than her The process of deinstitutionalisation had been going on in the UK and globally since the late 40s and major UK speeches were made in the UK in 1961 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2024 9:08:24 GMT
I've voted Labour just twice. I've voted Tory 3 times, UKIP twice, and BNP, Liberal and Independent just once. All The Best That's really interesting and appears to show how even handed you are. Who's turn is it next? Maybe Reform or the Greens? |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 15, 2024 9:30:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qe1g4g751oThe Met is failing in almost all areas. It is Adequate in just one area, it is Good or Outstanding in none. 14 Years of Ideological cuts gets you a completely failing Police Service. And that fucking loon Truss, and her right-wing ilk, want to cut Public Spending even further. The Tories wanted to cut Public Spending to make Public Services bad enough that enough people would be fooled into wanting them all privatised. All The Best The fallout from 14 years of cuts, often foolishly referred to as "cutting waste" or "economies", is visible everywhere. From the UK Border & Immigration Force to prisons, citys going bankrupt, including Tory ones, police forces that are overstretched and no longer attend certain crimes, the worst mental health provision in Europe, closed down libraries, SureStart centres gone, community centres, youth clubs, police stations, closed down. No Money - They left a huge deficit, with little or no scope for investment in infastructure, in order to help boost the economy and trigger growth. A young friend of mine, a young very hard working mother, told me this week that to get an NHS appointment for her daughter to see a mental health consultant will mean a three year wait, but sending her to a private consultant will ONLY take one year, "ONLY" Everything was fine in 2010 - then along came the Tories |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 15, 2024 9:52:43 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qe1g4g751oThe Met is failing in almost all areas. It is Adequate in just one area, it is Good or Outstanding in none. 14 Years of Ideological cuts gets you a completely failing Police Service. And that fucking loon Truss, and her right-wing ilk, want to cut Public Spending even further. The Tories wanted to cut Public Spending to make Public Services bad enough that enough people would be fooled into wanting them all privatised. All The Best Whoa there, you claim the Tories wanted to cut public spending! This may come as a shock, but the Tories aint in government. It's Starmers Stasi who are in charge now, and boy are Labour voters going to regret that lol. The first thing to realise is both parties and the other ones are socialists. They care more about being gay than they do on doing the job. They work on image and ideology over substance. Meanwhile this country is in terrible economic decline. The neglecting of the prioritising of production over being gay has led to falling levels of productivity, and all the parties like to make more and more laws and rarely if ever repeal the ones of the previous parties, so we get gummed up in shit, can't move for regs and so production is the thing that gives. When the proles complain then then go and blame the ones who are better competition than the UK, i.e. the ones doing it right. We attack them over their human rights, where in the UK the only human right you will get is the right to be poor and miserable. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 15, 2024 10:20:56 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0qe1g4g751oThe Met is failing in almost all areas. It is Adequate in just one area, it is Good or Outstanding in none. 14 Years of Ideological cuts gets you a completely failing Police Service. And that fucking loon Truss, and her right-wing ilk, want to cut Public Spending even further. The Tories wanted to cut Public Spending to make Public Services bad enough that enough people would be fooled into wanting them all privatised. All The Best The fallout from 14 years of cuts, often foolishly referred to as "cutting waste" or "economies", is visible everywhere. From the UK Border & Immigration Force to prisons, citys going bankrupt, including Tory ones, police forces that are overstretched and no longer attend certain crimes, the worst mental health provision in Europe, closed down libraries, SureStart centres gone, community centres, youth clubs, police stations, closed down. No Money - They left a huge deficit, with little or no scope for investment in infastructure, in order to help boost the economy and trigger growth. A young friend of mine, a young very hard working mother, told me this week that to get an NHS appointment for her daughter to see a mental health consultant will mean a three year wait, but sending her to a private consultant will ONLY take one year, "ONLY" Everything was fine in 2010 - then along came the Tories I do not think everything was fine in 2010. There was significant opposition to the policies that were resulting in mass immigration and the Tories won by directly lying as regards what they would do in that respect. Everyone knew that Labour had no intention of controlling immigration and before taking over the premiership Brown went off to Africa to show his commitment to that region. Perhaps if we had politicians whose commitment was to British Citizens we would not be so deep in the mire. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 15, 2024 10:35:05 GMT
Immigration was not a key issue in the 2010 general election, the number 1 issue was the economy in the aftermath of the 2007 - 2009 worldwide financial crisis and recession which followed.
The number 1 lie which swung it ( just ) for Tories and their Lib Dem supporters, was that "it was all Labours fault", meaning the world wide banking crisis and recession which hit many nations.
In 2010 the public satisfaction rate of the NHS was at a record high
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 15, 2024 10:38:47 GMT
I've voted Labour just twice. I've voted Tory 3 times, UKIP twice, and BNP, Liberal and Independent just once. All The Best Who's turn is it next? Maybe Reform or the Greens? Or confused. |
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