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Post by Vinny on Aug 14, 2024 17:33:21 GMT
Ancient Britain was more connected than previously realised.
It's nice to know that our British ancestors were so civilised.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 17:49:54 GMT
I wonder, will this have the Scots claiming Stonehenge is now theirs, in the same delusional way that they claimed they were World Cup Champions after beating England in 1967?
All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 17:50:38 GMT
Ancient Britain was more connected than previously realised. It's nice to know that our British ancestors were so civilised. Human sacrifice, forced marriages... ...yeah, civilised? All The Best
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Post by Vinny on Aug 14, 2024 18:50:41 GMT
Evidence of the druids doing that?
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 19:34:17 GMT
Evidence of the druids doing that? The most comprehensive discussion on it I have found is in Ronald Hutton's " Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy". Amazon says the 1st Ed was published Oct 2010, that is an error, my 1st Ed of it was printed in 1991. The Edward Woodward film The Wicker Man is based on Druidic sacrifice. Sacrifices were usually prisoners of war or criminals, if they weren't available the elderly and infirm might be chosen; in extremis perfectly healthy, innocents may be chosen. Been a while since I last read Hutton's book, but IIRC what we might recognise as Druidism (Ancient Druidism, not the silly reconstructionist stuff from the Victorian period) grew out of a, possibly Europe-wide, Bronze Age Head-Hunter Cult. Forced Marriages: Common among Bronze Age and Iron Age cultures in Britain as a means of forming bonds between tribes. All The Best
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Post by Vinny on Aug 14, 2024 21:50:58 GMT
Back at the time, Christianity sought to not only displace native religions but prevent their return. It did so by demonisation. Propaganda.
You don't just move a rock 400+ miles just to kill people on it. Whatever motivated the Druids to build Stonehenge, it must have been love, to put that much effort into it. So why would loving people commit murder?
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 14, 2024 23:27:27 GMT
Back at the time, Christianity sought to not only displace native religions but prevent their return. It did so by demonisation. Propaganda. You don't just move a rock 400+ miles just to kill people on it. Whatever motivated the Druids to build Stonehenge, it must have been love, to put that much effort into it. So why would loving people commit murder? There is ample evidence that the Druids carried out Human Sacrifice. It has nothing at all to do with demonising propaganda from Christian sources. Like I said, look at Hutton's book. Stonehenge wasn't build for love, it was built to reinforce authority and control - you need both to mobilise the manpower needed to move such a rock. You seem to be buying into the romanticised Victorian version of the Druids - no one really takes that version seriously. Re the emboldened: research where some of the stone for the Tower of London comes from. About 200 miles in a direct line, AND across the English Channel. All The Best
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 15, 2024 6:23:35 GMT
Ancient Britain was more connected than previously realised. It's nice to know that our British ancestors were so civilised. That must have REALLY pissed off the Cottage Burner who set out to laud and applaud his fellow ubernationalists for their ancestor's achievements...
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Post by distant on Aug 25, 2024 8:35:04 GMT
Stonehenge dates back about 5000 years to the age of the Beaker People which pre-dates the Druids by thousands of years. There is no evidence that the Druids ever even went to the place let alone carried out ritual sacrifices there. A case of an urban myth created from works of fiction and misconceptions of 18th and 19th century scholars.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 25, 2024 19:46:14 GMT
None of the experts that have studied Stonehenge can say for certain what took place at Stonehenge or if sacrifices were carried out there, it is considered by many that is was built to worship the Sun and Moon, the longest and shorted day of the year.
Funerals may have taken place as graves have been found near the site believed to be Druids the Romans and Greeks did write about the edifice but how accurate they are the experts are not certain.
Nobody knows with any degree of accuracy IMHO
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Post by bancroft on Aug 25, 2024 20:37:27 GMT
What happens is societies get so civilised and greedy they destroy each other leaving only the lucky behind with little or no tech. A bit like the spat in Ukraine, we are currently on a nuclear knife edge.
We don't hear about this as once the destruction starts it is millennia before they have the knowledge to record in print what happened.
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Post by thomas on Aug 26, 2024 18:56:08 GMT
Stonehenge dates back about 5000 years to the age of the Beaker People which pre-dates the Druids by thousands of years. There is no evidence that the Druids ever even went to the place let alone carried out ritual sacrifices there. A case of an urban myth created from works of fiction and misconceptions of 18th and 19th century scholars. nah not quite. Stonehenge was built in six stages between 3000 and 1520 BCE, during the transition from the Neolithic Period (New Stone Age) to the Bronze Age . So if the construction was started in 3000 bc , thats half a millennia before the beaker people came to these islands. It was the neolithic people , who didnt practice druidism , that began the construction. The beaker people themselves however, who came here from roughly 2500 bc onwards , were thought to have brought the first Celtic , or proto Celtic language and culture with them , possibly an ancient form of old Gaelic . If so , and the beakers were the original Celts , then they practiced the polytheist druidic religion , the druids being the priest caste in Celtic culture. not aware of wether the druids used Stonehenge or not , but the famous Celtic historian and writer Peter Beresford ellis mentions in his book "the druids" a passage on the rituals of the druids and remarks on what little evidence there is appears to be nothing more than greek and roman propaganda from the ancient world regarding human sacrifice.
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Post by thomas on Aug 26, 2024 18:58:01 GMT
Ancient Britain was more connected than previously realised. It's nice to know that our British ancestors were so civilised. That must have REALLY pissed off the Cottage Burner who set out to laud and applaud his fellow ubernationalists for their ancestor's achievements... Vinny must also be pissed off the neolithic people who began the building of Stonehenge were of Middle Eastern appearance , and had links with what is modern turkey , before they were replaced by the beaker people from the European Union in 2500 bc .
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Post by thomas on Aug 26, 2024 19:05:12 GMT
Back at the time, Christianity sought to not only displace native religions but prevent their return. It did so by demonisation. Propaganda. You don't just move a rock 400+ miles just to kill people on it. Whatever motivated the Druids to build Stonehenge, it must have been love, to put that much effort into it. So why would loving people commit murder? There is ample evidence that the Druids carried out Human Sacrifice. no there isnt. What claims there is appears to be nothing more than greek and roman propaganda . ancient ethnographers did not once witness any of these so called human sacrifices they claimed the druids practiced , and archaeology has not been able to provide evidence. The present day claims of druidic human sacrifice rests solely on texts that distort reality and exaggerate frequency for sensationalism from the ancient world enemies of the Celts.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 26, 2024 19:08:02 GMT
There is ample evidence that the Druids carried out Human Sacrifice. no there isnt. What claims there is appears to be nothing more than greek and roman propaganda . ancient ethnographers did not once witness any of these so called human sacrifices they claimed the druids practiced , and archaeology has not been able to provide evidence. The present day claims of druidic human sacrifice rests solely on texts that distort reality and exaggerate frequency for sensationalism from the ancient world enemies of the Celts. No, they rest on archaeological analysis, among other things. Did you read Hutton, or do you just want to go on being ignorant of facts? All The Best
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