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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 28, 2024 23:57:04 GMT
I was born in England, but some of my ancestors were from Scotland. I am British, not entirely English and to pretend otherwise would be an insult to my British relatives from Scotland. As for the Druids, I don't know enough about them. They're dead anyway. I just like what they built. They didn't build shit. The Druids weren't Neolithic. They came along a couple of thousand years after Stonehenge was built. They may have appropriated it for their own use but other than the fact the Romans massacred them on Anglesey around the time of Boudicca's revolt we don't really know anything about the Druids. The Druids were the priest class of the Celts. That's about it, everything else is guesswork. Except what can be demonstrated in the archaeological record. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 10:30:30 GMT
They didn't build shit. The Druids weren't Neolithic. They came along a couple of thousand years after Stonehenge was built. They may have appropriated it for their own use but other than the fact the Romans massacred them on Anglesey around the time of Boudicca's revolt we don't really know anything about the Druids. The Druids were the priest class of the Celts. That's about it, everything else is guesswork. Except what can be demonstrated in the archaeological record. All The Best From the archaeological record historians make inferences. It is not set in stone and many inferences have not stood the test of time as new evidence becomes available. Just one example would be Boudicca or Boadicea and her existence or not as the case may be, not to mention spelling and pronunciation.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 29, 2024 12:33:02 GMT
Except what can be demonstrated in the archaeological record. All The Best From the archaeological record historians make inferences. It is not set in stone and many inferences have not stood the test of time as new evidence becomes available. Just one example would be Boudicca or Boadicea and her existence or not as the case may be, not to mention spelling and pronunciation. Well the spelling is easy to explain; it was really only in the last 200 years that the spelling of names became mostly standardised. Apart from that what point do you have about Boudicca? Most evidence about named people is written evidence. However, no historian would accept the existence of a named person from just one written source, they'd want to find multiple, hopefully independent, written sources. If there is then a inscription in stone somewhere, a gravestone for example, that is also independent of the written sources, then you are reasonably certain a named person existed. From the archaeological record archaeologists make analyses. Historians then take those analyses and see if they fit within the established historical reference. Example: If you find bones that have hundreds of small striation marks all along the length of the bone there is really only one conclusion to come to - the flesh was stripped from the bones. There is then the question of why? There are some burial practices that require the stripping of flesh from bones; but I don't recall them being present in the British Isles. That would tend to mean the meat was stripped from the bone for consumption. What happens then if the bones found so treated are human bones? If there is a written historical reference that Human Sacrifice / Cannibalism was practised then the archaeological record matches the historical record - they are different things. Note: This this is an example, nothing more. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 14:08:08 GMT
From the archaeological record historians make inferences. It is not set in stone and many inferences have not stood the test of time as new evidence becomes available. Just one example would be Boudicca or Boadicea and her existence or not as the case may be, not to mention spelling and pronunciation. Well the spelling is easy to explain; it was really only in the last 200 years that the spelling of names became mostly standardised. Apart from that what point do you have about Boudicca? Most evidence about named people is written evidence. However, no historian would accept the existence of a named person from just one written source, they'd want to find multiple, hopefully independent, written sources. If there is then a inscription in stone somewhere, a gravestone for example, that is also independent of the written sources, then you are reasonably certain a named person existed. From the archaeological record archaeologists make analyses. Historians then take those analyses and see if they fit within the established historical reference. Example: If you find bones that have hundreds of small striation marks all along the length of the bone there is really only one conclusion to come to - the flesh was stripped from the bones. There is then the question of why? There are some burial practices that require the stripping of flesh from bones; but I don't recall them being present in the British Isles. That would tend to mean the meat was stripped from the bone for consumption. What happens then if the bones found so treated are human bones? If there is a written historical reference that Human Sacrifice / Cannibalism was practised then the archaeological record matches the historical record - they are different things. Note: This this is an example, nothing more. All The Best They are not different in the sense that they both lead on to a hypothesis. The point I am making is that often enough the hypothetical assumption can be wrong or at least subject to revision. My example was in my early lifetime it was always Boadicea as a pronunciation in every walk of life. Then it became Boudicca almost overnight. Revision happened and changed the common assumption as regards a name.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 29, 2024 16:00:29 GMT
Well the spelling is easy to explain; it was really only in the last 200 years that the spelling of names became mostly standardised. Apart from that what point do you have about Boudicca? Most evidence about named people is written evidence. However, no historian would accept the existence of a named person from just one written source, they'd want to find multiple, hopefully independent, written sources. If there is then a inscription in stone somewhere, a gravestone for example, that is also independent of the written sources, then you are reasonably certain a named person existed. From the archaeological record archaeologists make analyses. Historians then take those analyses and see if they fit within the established historical reference. Example: If you find bones that have hundreds of small striation marks all along the length of the bone there is really only one conclusion to come to - the flesh was stripped from the bones. There is then the question of why? There are some burial practices that require the stripping of flesh from bones; but I don't recall them being present in the British Isles. That would tend to mean the meat was stripped from the bone for consumption. What happens then if the bones found so treated are human bones? If there is a written historical reference that Human Sacrifice / Cannibalism was practised then the archaeological record matches the historical record - they are different things. Note: This this is an example, nothing more. All The Best They are not different in the sense that they both lead on to a hypothesis. The point I am making is that often enough the hypothetical assumption can be wrong or at least subject to revision. My example was in my early lifetime it was always Boadicea as a pronunciation in every walk of life. Then it became Boudicca almost overnight. Revision happened and changed the common assumption as regards a name. It was always both, its just one was preferred over the other for a long time, then that changed. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 29, 2024 19:46:07 GMT
They are not different in the sense that they both lead on to a hypothesis. The point I am making is that often enough the hypothetical assumption can be wrong or at least subject to revision. My example was in my early lifetime it was always Boadicea as a pronunciation in every walk of life. Then it became Boudicca almost overnight. Revision happened and changed the common assumption as regards a name. It was always both, its just one was preferred over the other for a long time, then that changed. All The Best That may be the case but illustrates well the point I am making. Things change for various reasons, new evidence, new interpretations, downgrading previous hypotheses and just a fresh pair of eyes pulling it all together. What can be demonstrated may very well become undemonstrable (you know what I mean).
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Post by dodgydave on Aug 30, 2024 13:13:02 GMT
It didn't come from Scotland, Scotland didn't exist then What we can see today is basically a Victorian tourist attraction. Nobody has a clue what it's original purpose was because it is 3,000 years old. Also, it is likely that the stones were repurposed repeatedly to serve the people of the time.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 1, 2024 8:51:09 GMT
It didn't come from Scotland, Scotland didn't exist then What we can see today is basically a Victorian tourist attraction. Nobody has a clue what it's original purpose was because it is 3,000 years old. Also, it is likely that the stones were repurposed repeatedly to serve the people of the time. The stone circle is 4,500 years old. It is contemporary with the pyramids. The henge itself is around 5,000 years old.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 1, 2024 23:59:54 GMT
It didn't come from Scotland, Scotland didn't exist then What we can see today is basically a Victorian tourist attraction. Nobody has a clue what it's original purpose was because it is 3,000 years old. Also, it is likely that the stones were repurposed repeatedly to serve the people of the time. The stone circle is 4,500 years old. It is contemporary with the pyramids. The henge itself is around 5,000 years old. Yeah I was sloppy on that post, I was tired and mistook 3,000 BC as 3,000 years ago. Although my point goes unchanged... the site would have been recycled many times over its history... and parts of it will no doubt have been taken from other sites nearby... and vice versa.
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