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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 22, 2024 20:14:48 GMT
Why don't you just stop arguing? Every time there is some constructive debate, we get some shit who gives it the horror crap, and I am sick of it. This thread is about the UK economy and how we are going to operate so we make some money in future. They say the UK is mostly service sector. The hard part is manufacturing these items. We are being played. The US Blackrock firms are the ones that play this scam the worst. They pay peanuts for one of these countries to make it, then spin you out with advertising to brainwash you. China does cheap, but cheap does not mean poor quality. Quite often their cheap products outperform Western brands at many times the price. If I were an alien looking into this world and I saw what goes on in the UK I'd think the Brits had lost their minds. The Chinese are doing it right. They are getting richer by the day. They make more money as a country than you think. Look at the underground systems - all brand spanking new and modern. This is the end result when you stop acting as if you are in some drama production and start thinking logically about what is going on. China is an oppressive autocracy. Once you accept that then you won’t be triggered and become defensive. So maybe you should ‘ just stop arguing ‘. People who go over there and live there don't say that. Xinjiang is tight on security though with ID checkpoints. The cops doing the checks are friendly though. You just have to scan your ID card. You can see that place is trouble because you don't get that kind of security anywhere else as far as I'm aware. If you live out of a city though people say they never see a cop. The only complaint really is the traffic lights have cameras that scan your numberplate if you jump them and it is instantly fined from your account. So yes it does have a few things you don't see here, but generally speaking it is a free society. You are only likely to get into trouble if you start pissing people off. It's a people's republic so the people rule there. The cops work for the people as does any other state official. You don't get the little Hitler attitude like you do in the UK if you have done some minor thing wrong. They are good at letting you off if you are cool. I think what you are doing is imagining this country and projecting that onto China with the notion that it is 10x worse. Well some things you can do in the UK and not China, but also the reverse is true as well. The main thing is the cops are efficient at their job so it is very safe. Anyone who is up to no good the cops will be on to them sharpish. I'd rather that than say a sSuth American place where the streets are very dangerous and the cops can't cop with all the murders. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 22, 2024 20:24:24 GMT
China is an oppressive autocracy. Once you accept that then you won’t be triggered and become defensive. So maybe you should ‘ just stop arguing ‘. Xinjiang is tight on security though with ID checkpoints. The cops doing the checks are friendly though. You just have to scan your ID card. You can see that place is trouble because you don't get that kind of security anywhere else as far as I'm aware. If you live out of a city though people say they never see a cop. The only complaint really is the traffic lights have cameras that scan your numberplate if you jump them and it is instantly fined from your account. So yes it does have a few things you don't see here, but generally speaking it is a free society. You are only likely to get into trouble if you start pissing people off. It's a people's republic so the people rule there. The cops work for the people as does any other state official. You don't get the little Hitler attitude like you do in the UK if you have done some minor thing wrong. They are good at letting you off if you are cool. I think what you are doing is imagining this country and projecting that onto China with the notion that it is 10x worse. Well some things you can do in the UK and not China, but also the reverse is true as well. The main thing is the cops are efficient at their job so it is very safe. Anyone who is up to no good the cops will be on to them sharpish. I'd rather that than say a sSuth American place where the streets are very dangerous and the cops can't cop with all the murders. You mean they don’t tell you that . The only experience you have of China is what you read in Chinese sites and watch on YouTube . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 22, 2024 22:19:41 GMT
People who go over there and live there don't say that. Xinjiang is tight on security though with ID checkpoints. The cops doing the checks are friendly though. You just have to scan your ID card. You can see that place is trouble because you don't get that kind of security anywhere else as far as I'm aware. If you live out of a city though people say they never see a cop. The only complaint really is the traffic lights have cameras that scan your numberplate if you jump them and it is instantly fined from your account. So yes it does have a few things you don't see here, but generally speaking it is a free society. You are only likely to get into trouble if you start pissing people off. It's a people's republic so the people rule there. The cops work for the people as does any other state official. You don't get the little Hitler attitude like you do in the UK if you have done some minor thing wrong. They are good at letting you off if you are cool. I think what you are doing is imagining this country and projecting that onto China with the notion that it is 10x worse. Well some things you can do in the UK and not China, but also the reverse is true as well. The main thing is the cops are efficient at their job so it is very safe. Anyone who is up to no good the cops will be on to them sharpish. I'd rather that than say a sSuth American place where the streets are very dangerous and the cops can't cop with all the murders. You mean they don’t tell you that . The only experience you have of China is what you read in Chinese sites and watch on YouTube . You forget my brother's wife is Chinese and from Shanghai. My brother visited Hong Kong as well and stayed in a 7 star hotel. I've seen photos of it and it is fantastic. So there you go, wrong again as usual. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 22, 2024 22:24:07 GMT
You mean they don’t tell you that . The only experience you have of China is what you read in Chinese sites and watch on YouTube . You forget my brother's wife is Chinese and from Shanghai. My brother visited Hong Kong as well and stayed in a 7 star hotel. I've seen photos of it and it is fantastic. So there you go, wrong again as usual. Yeah your Chinese brother in law staying in a ‘ 7 star hotel’ is the kicker . lol….and you have seen ..PHOTOS …fucking hell , that makes you an expert for sure …ffs 🙄 |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 22, 2024 23:11:29 GMT
You forget my brother's wife is Chinese and from Shanghai. My brother visited Hong Kong as well and stayed in a 7 star hotel. I've seen photos of it and it is fantastic. So there you go, wrong again as usual. Yeah your Chinese brother in law staying in a ‘ 7 star hotel’ is the kicker . lol….and you have seen ..PHOTOS …fucking hell , that makes you an expert for sure …ffs 🙄 No of course it does not make me an expert. All I mentioned it for was to prove you were factually wrong. I mean you have no way of knowing all the ways I get information about China. You somehow believe youtube can consistently lie about it, as if it were a kind of propaganda channel like the BBC. You really don't make any sense and sound like you are pissed.
Anyway, Hong Kong certainly caters for the rich capitalist class. Those hotels though are something we just don't see in this country. It was a rather sad story though. He was there on business but he got ripped off. Not by the Chinese, but some British dodgy bastard. It cost him far more than probably the most expensive hotel in the world. So he had an amazing time, but one of those too good to be true experiences. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 22, 2024 23:35:21 GMT
Yeah your Chinese brother in law staying in a ‘ 7 star hotel’ is the kicker . lol….and you have seen ..PHOTOS …fucking hell , that makes you an expert for sure …ffs 🙄 No of course it does not make me an expert. All I mentioned it for was to prove you were factually wrong. I mean you have no way of knowing all the ways I get information about China. You somehow believe youtube can consistently lie about it, as if it were a kind of propaganda channel like the BBC. You really don't make any sense and sound like you are pissed.
Anyway, Hong Kong certainly caters for the rich capitalist class. Those hotels though are something we just don't see in this country. It was a rather sad story though. He was there on business but he got ripped off. Not by the Chinese, but some British dodgy bastard. It cost him far more than probably the most expensive hotel in the world. So he had an amazing time, but one of those too good to be true experiences. Yeah yeah . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 23, 2024 6:42:11 GMT
There is no such thing as a 7 star hotel - 5 is the top grade in all certification systems. The 7 star moniker came about when the Burj Al Arab opened in Dubai as a piece of marketing fluff and other hotels have since jumped on the bandwagon.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 23, 2024 22:05:05 GMT
There is no such thing as a 7 star hotel - 5 is the top grade in all certification systems. The 7 star moniker came about when the Burj Al Arab opened in Dubai as a piece of marketing fluff and other hotels have since jumped on the bandwagon. Well that's what they called it. It was about 15 years ago, and I expect a lot has changed since then, but one thing is for certain, that city has some serious money. These are the ulta-modern hotels. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 24, 2024 5:53:45 GMT
There are no seven star hotels.
Meanwhile, China is essentially an occupied state, victim of a dictatorship. A dictatorship which needs bringing down in a revolution.
Down with Xi Jinping.
Solidarity with the ordinary Chinese people who want democracy and human rights.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 24, 2024 5:56:25 GMT
We live under an Orwellian dictatorship where voting results in the same thing. We are not a democracy, we just get to vote for liars every five years whilst liberties are being eroded with each step.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 24, 2024 7:05:09 GMT
We can criticise the authorities, call for change, start parties and pressure groups, and not get prosecuted.
In China, criticism of the dictatorship is a prison sentence.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 24, 2024 8:52:42 GMT
We can criticise the authorities, call for change, start parties and pressure groups, and not get prosecuted. In China, criticism of the dictatorship is a prison sentence. Liar.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 24, 2024 11:09:48 GMT
By the way, news just in that China is furious with the EU and its EV tariffs. How lovely it is though for Britain not to be in the EU and not be following the EU on tariffs. This means more than you would imagine, because for a long time China has seen Britain as a follower of the US and it is a long-standing bone of contention. The EU clearly acted in tandem with the US EV tariffs, although not quite as steep, the timing gave it away.
As I pointed out a while back, there are plans for China to build a UK battery plant and create 6000 jobs. Well guys, this is just what we need, since China knows this is the scale you need to build them on to be competitive. It's been a long time coming, but we might see the first batteries Made in England like we remember back in the 70s where most electrical shops had Ever Ready signs. You know we could not do this on our own. Recall British Volt. It was never going to work as it was put together by shit for brains. China batteries are far more of a goer, and as for EU nations, I think China has something in the bag to make the EU regret its poodle subservience to its US masters. In China, if the government likes you and says nice things about your country, then major CEOs will take the hint and steer themselves in that direction. The UK has got to be seen as a reliable business partner. This is what is comes down to. You deliver what you say on both sides. This is the way they work. It's about honour, which is very important in East Asian countries. Japan is the same.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 24, 2024 11:31:24 GMT
By the way, news just in that China is furious with the EU and its EV tariffs. How lovely it is though for Britain not to be in the EU and not be following the EU on tariffs. This means more than you would imagine, because for a long time China has seen Britain as a follower of the US and it is a long-standing bone of contention. The EU clearly acted in tandem with the US EV tariffs, although not quite as steep, the timing gave it away. As I pointed out a while back, there are plans for China to build a UK battery plant and create 6000 jobs. Well guys, this is just what we need, since China knows this is the scale you need to build them on to be competitive. It's been a long time coming, but we might see the first batteries Made in England like we remember back in the 70s where most electrical shops had Ever Ready signs. You know we could not do this on our own. Recall British Volt. It was never going to work as it was put together by shit for brains. China batteries are far more of a goer, and as for EU nations, I think China has something in the bag to make the EU regret its poodle subservience to its US masters. In China, if the government likes you and says nice things about your country, then major CEOs will take the hint and steer themselves in that direction. The UK has got to be seen as a reliable business partner. This is what is comes down to. You deliver what you say on both sides. This is the way they work. It's about HONOUR, which is very important in East Asian countries. Japan is the same. A mere hint of it being an autocracy?( in bold) Also Face not honour . You should know this if you knew anything about Chinese culture . Let me help you Face Face cultures value harmony, humility, and hierarchy, and individuals are expected to contribute to these values within their group. This can include self-restraint, conformity to tradition, and cooperating with others to protect their group's reputation. Face cultures also tend to have stable hierarchies, and individuals may rely on superiors to punish those who violate norms. Some say that face cultures are more external in their analysis of self-worth, and that East Asian cultures are an example of a face culture. Honor Honor cultures value personal reputation and the importance of protecting and defending it. They also emphasize self-awareness and external evaluations of self-worth. In honor cultures, individuals are expected to be responsible for developing and protecting their group's reputation, and to uphold its honor. Some say that honor cultures are more internal and external in their analysis of self-worth, and that Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian, Latin American, and Russian cultures are examples of honor cultures |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 24, 2024 18:29:09 GMT
By the way, news just in that China is furious with the EU and its EV tariffs. How lovely it is though for Britain not to be in the EU and not be following the EU on tariffs. This means more than you would imagine, because for a long time China has seen Britain as a follower of the US and it is a long-standing bone of contention. The EU clearly acted in tandem with the US EV tariffs, although not quite as steep, the timing gave it away. As I pointed out a while back, there are plans for China to build a UK battery plant and create 6000 jobs. Well guys, this is just what we need, since China knows this is the scale you need to build them on to be competitive. It's been a long time coming, but we might see the first batteries Made in England like we remember back in the 70s where most electrical shops had Ever Ready signs. You know we could not do this on our own. Recall British Volt. It was never going to work as it was put together by shit for brains. China batteries are far more of a goer, and as for EU nations, I think China has something in the bag to make the EU regret its poodle subservience to its US masters. In China, if the government likes you and says nice things about your country, then major CEOs will take the hint and steer themselves in that direction. The UK has got to be seen as a reliable business partner. This is what is comes down to. You deliver what you say on both sides. This is the way they work. It's about HONOUR, which is very important in East Asian countries. Japan is the same. A mere hint of it being an autocracy?( in bold) Also Face not honour . You should know this if you knew anything about Chinese culture . Let me help you Face Face cultures value harmony, humility, and hierarchy, and individuals are expected to contribute to these values within their group. This can include self-restraint, conformity to tradition, and cooperating with others to protect their group's reputation. Face cultures also tend to have stable hierarchies, and individuals may rely on superiors to punish those who violate norms. Some say that face cultures are more external in their analysis of self-worth, and that East Asian cultures are an example of a face culture. Honor Honor cultures value personal reputation and the importance of protecting and defending it. They also emphasize self-awareness and external evaluations of self-worth. In honor cultures, individuals are expected to be responsible for developing and protecting their group's reputation, and to uphold its honor. Some say that honor cultures are more internal and external in their analysis of self-worth, and that Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian, Latin American, and Russian cultures are examples of honor cultures Did you copy and paste that Face bit? It looks like it. You have said the same to me before so there is no point in repeating it as I heard you the first time. I'm not arguing with it. I'm just saying how it works in business.
I knew China was going to go full out on cars when I noticed a Chinese firm who I use their computers decided to make it work on the CAN protocol. I thought hmm, that's for cars, then I thought I wonder what is going on here then and sure enough there was a government industrial plan all along. I have since learnt a fair bit more about their governmental system since I have these very informative China videos that explains policy in detail. I mean one simple reason why they might like to follow the government's plan is there are often industrial grants available (yes the dreaded subsidies the US goes on about, except of course all industrial countries do the same). You are too quick to jump to the position your prejudices prefer when often the reasons are quite pedestrian.
Anyway, what you copy and pasted there had something to do with it as well. If we apply the Jordan Peterson view of cultures and governments then of course the same thing is going on in China. The government adapts to the culture it governs. In fact is is a very strong reason why the Chinese government are pretty soft, not the fascists the West pretend they are. You see because they value the group, they naturally work together and need little supervision. It's personal responsibility and functions in the same way as Christianity did when we were a productive nation. There is a strong compatibility between the traditional Brit and the Chinese. Believe it or not, they also like us and get on with us, hence why they are so dumbfounded when British government officials stand up on the world stage and make dicks of themselves. They must think, these are not representative of the Brits we know and love - these are jerks. I try and explain to them the Brits think the same and are living in a virtual dictatorship. This is generally accepted and appreciated. Yes humility is a much respected virtue over there, so again it is why there is a connection. I'm just saying we would be fools not to do good business together. We can both be a help to the other. |
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