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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 8:44:14 GMT
Your position is that the alternative to Christianity is supporting Satan? And nothing in between? Do you not think that good people can exist outside of religious belief? I reject religion, which means I also reject the concept of Satan, which is a religious construct. See Dante's Divine Comedy. Somewhere in it he meets Cicero. He was there, but on the outer edges of hell because he 'had done good works', but had rejected the faith. Referencing one work of fiction to suggest that another work of fiction is true is utterly hilarious, and intellectually vacuous. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 8:48:04 GMT
I translated quite a lot of Cicero when I was younger. Dante's Divine Comedy is, of course, not factual. If you want to believe in gobbledeygook, that is your prerogative. I am not motivated by fear of divine punishment. I am motivated by doing good for its own sake, without any expectation of reward. Never-the-less it is fundamental to our culture. Dante was well respected and a big influence. He's often seen painted with a book. There's a lot of symbolism in that. They were trying to rise up and be further from the brute and closer to the divine. Our modern culture was imported from America and is satanic. If the bible means nothing then why is it the Satanists reverse every aspect of it?
Christians believe all other religions are evil, yet in our modern society they train people to treat each one equally. This is an abomination to a Christian. We have a long way to fall. People imagine we have reached rock bottom, but these people kill. They are very dangerous to have in our country.
More people have read Lord Of The Rings than Dante. BTW: The Ainulindalë from Tolkien's mythology is a far more believable account of creationism than the biblical one, mainly because Tolkien knew how to write good fiction, and the people who wrote the bible myths did not. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 8:49:53 GMT
Sorry - are you saying that it is an abomination to a Christian to treat people equally? If I misunderstood that, please clarify. I have been a Christian, but that wasn't my interpretation of the golden rule. A person is not a religion. Love the person/hate the religion. It's the same with gay people. Christians should not neglect them for being gay, but may try and help them refrain from sin for their own good. It all makes logical sense if you get down to exactly what is meant. I've seen many people get caught up in cults and can vouch that it can destroy your life/turn you crazy.
Living by the belief there is only one truth makes you wary of being drawn into any form of cult. Another example is lying. These non-Christian culture are very much into their lying. Looking at our local history, the two most successful firms in our town, which between them used to employ about half the town, they were both started by Christians. They manufactured honest quality merchandise. Compare to an Indian company and you will see the difference. So are Christians. The two biggest Christian festival Easter and Christmas are both stolen Pagan festivals. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 8:55:29 GMT
How do you demonstrate truth. I can take 2 pieces and another 2 pieces and I can make four as being demonstrably true but if someone beats the shit out of me every time I do not make it five i t becomes demonstrably true that it is five and that becomes fact. Punishment of wrong think is active all the time and facts are becoming ever more difficult to ascertain. No it doesn't. There is no way at all using Decimal that 2+2 can =5. There just isn't. You can lie, out of fear, that it becomes 5, and that lie can become habitual and ingrained, but is still does not become true. Are you the kind of person that can be cowed into admitting what you know to be false is actually true? I've taken a beating, lost a job, lost two so-called "friends", a relationship, and at least 3 promotions, simply because I refuse to say something is true when I know it isn't. All The Best It is the basis of the soviet system where truth becomes what the government says it is and if the choice is between continuous torture or calling the answer 5 most people will say 5. The point is that a demonstrable fact is subject to much interference and when the facts are a bit more uncertain then the lie trips out without too much thought. Many people keep their jobs by telling lies to customers, telling lies to their boss, telling lies to their colleagues. Demonstrable truth is where everyone agrees that x = y and a fact is that which receives a consensus. We are surrounded by 'facts' which are presented as indisputable facts every day but one knows in one's heart that they are just not true. We may disagree on what they are but that does not change how we view them. Facts are subject to change. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2024 9:23:31 GMT
He's a pampered privileged pillock. He is so far removed from reality that whatever he says is pretty much meaningless for ordinary people. I completely agree. Those billionaire Prince Saudis with their supercars aren't the ones being oppressed by the autocracy that he so admires. He hides out in Scotland while betraying the English people. Just look at the state of his own kids and family relations. Didn't he also bang that trout whilst married to Diana? Thanks to Victoria, who bonked the dopey German, we're left with this house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha who changed their name to try and fool the plebs.
The reason I don't particularly like him is because like so many 'privileged' people he is very much from the school of thought that says; do as I say, not as I do. I mean, he preaches to the hoi polloi about green issues and saving the planet then travels from London to Sandringham not in one of his limousines or Aston Martins, but in a helicopter. In my opinion HM Queen Elisabeth was a globally admired monarch, sadly King Charles is, a right Charlie. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 12, 2024 13:40:42 GMT
Never-the-less it is fundamental to our culture. Dante was well respected and a big influence. He's often seen painted with a book. There's a lot of symbolism in that. They were trying to rise up and be further from the brute and closer to the divine. Our modern culture was imported from America and is satanic. If the bible means nothing then why is it the Satanists reverse every aspect of it?
Christians believe all other religions are evil, yet in our modern society they train people to treat each one equally. This is an abomination to a Christian. We have a long way to fall. People imagine we have reached rock bottom, but these people kill. They are very dangerous to have in our country.
More people have read Lord Of The Rings than Dante. BTW: The Ainulindalë from Tolkien's mythology is a far more believable account of creationism than the biblical one, mainly because Tolkien knew how to write good fiction, and the people who wrote the bible myths did not. All The Best In fact, as I'm sure you are aware, some of the Bible myth motifs were copied from Greek mythology. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 15:02:02 GMT
More people have read Lord Of The Rings than Dante. BTW: The Ainulindalë from Tolkien's mythology is a far more believable account of creationism than the biblical one, mainly because Tolkien knew how to write good fiction, and the people who wrote the bible myths did not. All The Best In fact, as I'm sure you are aware, some of the Bible myth motifs were copied from Greek mythology. And not only Greek Mythology. Christianity, because it was / is a proselyting religion was /is also a "magpie" religion; it picked bits up from the pre-Christian religions it oppressed / converted and absorbed them into the Christian mythos. This is almost certainly because of where Christianity established its first major foothold - within the Roman Empire. The Romans did the same, adopting what was of merit from oppressed cultures and absorbing into their own culture, then imposing that adapted culture on the next conquest. I mean the holiest Christian festival - Easter - is itself named after a Pagan Goddess, whose etymological antecedents go back to approximately 2000 BC. That Goddess was called Ēostre / Ostara. Here's the fun thing, Ēostre has a sacred, totemic animal - a hare, it lays magical eggs. Sound familiar? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 12, 2024 15:18:14 GMT
No it doesn't. There is no way at all using Decimal that 2+2 can =5. There just isn't. You can lie, out of fear, that it becomes 5, and that lie can become habitual and ingrained, but is still does not become true. Are you the kind of person that can be cowed into admitting what you know to be false is actually true? I've taken a beating, lost a job, lost two so-called "friends", a relationship, and at least 3 promotions, simply because I refuse to say something is true when I know it isn't. All The Best It is the basis of the soviet system where truth becomes what the government says it is and if the choice is between continuous torture or calling the answer 5 most people will say 5. The point is that a demonstrable fact is subject to much interference and when the facts are a bit more uncertain then the lie trips out without too much thought. Many people keep their jobs by telling lies to customers, telling lies to their boss, telling lies to their colleagues.Demonstrable truth is where everyone agrees that x = y and a fact is that which receives a consensus. We are surrounded by 'facts' which are presented as indisputable facts every day but one knows in one's heart that they are just not true. We may disagree on what they are but that does not change how we view them. Facts are subject to change. That just makes them liars, not factual. Bold AnswerOpinions are subject to change. Facts are not. All The Best |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 12, 2024 15:32:32 GMT
In fact, as I'm sure you are aware, some of the Bible myth motifs were copied from Greek mythology. And not only Greek Mythology. Christianity, because it was / is a proselyting religion was /is also a "magpie" religion; it picked bits up from the pre-Christian religions it oppressed / converted and absorbed them into the Christian mythos. This is almost certainly because of where Christianity established its first major foothold - within the Roman Empire. The Romans did the same, adopting what was of merit from oppressed cultures and absorbing into their own culture, then imposing that adapted culture on the next conquest. I mean the holiest Christian festival - Easter - is itself named after a Pagan Goddess, whose etymological antecedents go back to approximately 2000 BC. That Goddess was called Ēostre / Ostara. Here's the fun thing, Ēostre has a sacred, totemic animal - a hare, it lays magical eggs. Sound familiar? All The Best YES indeed! |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 12, 2024 15:40:01 GMT
That depends where you live. The US Constitution recognises that certain universal rights are naturally given to every individual at birth and are retained throughout life, and that these rights are beyond the control of a government and can’t be taken away by legislation. These rights are not bestowed by law, custom, or belief, and cannot be taken, given away or transferred to another person. They are referred to as “inalienable rights.” The framers of the Constitution acknowledged the inalienable rights of man in this phrase from the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Only under carefully limited circumstances can such natural rights be taken away as people have the freedom to exercise them as they choose. Some of the rights that, in America, are generally accepted as inalienable are: To act in self-defense To own private property To work and enjoy the fruits of one’s labor To move freely within the county or to another country To worship or refrain from worshipping within a freely-chosen religion To be secure in one’s home To think freely The US Constitution was written by politicians who believed in certain rights - another group of politicians (or the same group at a different time) could have come up with a different list of rights. The Constitution has been continually amended since its inception - it is not a document that is designed to be the final word. A Constitutional amendment requires either to be proposed by Congress with a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate or a constitutional convention by 2/3 of state legislatures. Since 1789, more than 11,000 Constitutional amendments have been proposed. Of those, only 33 were passed by Congress and sent to the states. Of the 33, only 27 succeeded. These amendments generally conferred rights, with the exception of the 18th Amendment, which banned “the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors,” but not their consumption. This amendment was later repealed. What the Constitutional amendments did not do was remove rights. Were a proposal to remove inalienable rights to succeed, it would certainly spark a civil war. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2024 16:06:47 GMT
It is the basis of the soviet system where truth becomes what the government says it is and if the choice is between continuous torture or calling the answer 5 most people will say 5. The point is that a demonstrable fact is subject to much interference and when the facts are a bit more uncertain then the lie trips out without too much thought. Many people keep their jobs by telling lies to customers, telling lies to their boss, telling lies to their colleagues.Demonstrable truth is where everyone agrees that x = y and a fact is that which receives a consensus. We are surrounded by 'facts' which are presented as indisputable facts every day but one knows in one's heart that they are just not true. We may disagree on what they are but that does not change how we view them. Facts are subject to change. That just makes them liars, not factual. Bold AnswerOpinions are subject to change. Facts are not. All The Best It depends on the facts. Everyone knows hills grew just like trees; was a well known fact. Until questioned then it became not a fact. The Hockey stick graph indicates the problems of climate change and how quickly it is acting on our planet was a well known fact until questioned and now it is rather less of a fact. 97% of climate scientists agree with teh IPCC on climate change was well known and much quoted fact, even as recently as the past year on this very forum. It was never a fact although presented as one routinely. The point as ever is that what are held to be facts may not be and quoting fact is in reality just quoting opinion. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 12, 2024 23:14:58 GMT
More people have read Lord Of The Rings than Dante. BTW: The Ainulindalë from Tolkien's mythology is a far more believable account of creationism than the biblical one, mainly because Tolkien knew how to write good fiction, and the people who wrote the bible myths did not. All The Best In fact, as I'm sure you are aware, some of the Bible myth motifs were copied from Greek mythology. Most political types seem to be anti-Christianity. It figures though, considering the honesty of a politician and indeed many of their followers. The nitpicking is the way it is done. I've had the same bullshit for years on forums. People just don't get the religion these days. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 12, 2024 23:40:04 GMT
In fact, as I'm sure you are aware, some of the Bible myth motifs were copied from Greek mythology. Most political types seem to be anti-Christianity. It figures though, considering the honesty of a politician and indeed many of their followers. The nitpicking is the way it is done. I've had the same bullshit for years on forums. People just don't get the religion these days. I tend to agree that most politicians don't have pure intent. However, I don't think that religion has a monopoly on honesty, truth, integrity or morality, all of which can and do exist outside religion. Good, well-intentioned trustworthy people can be found anywhere. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 12, 2024 23:49:47 GMT
Most political types seem to be anti-Christianity. It figures though, considering the honesty of a politician and indeed many of their followers. The nitpicking is the way it is done. I've had the same bullshit for years on forums. People just don't get the religion these days. I tend to agree that most politicians don't have pure intent. However, I don't think that religion has a monopoly on honesty, truth, integrity or morality, all of which can and do exist outside religion. Good, well-intentioned trustworthy people can be found anywhere. It is being replaced by woke. I mean look at the state of this country where so-called doctors are mutilating children because they have gone mad.
I don't believe the warnings in the bible were put there without good reason. You learn these things with age. The amount of homosexuality is especially troubling. I think it will progress onto paedophilia myself. Arab countries are similar.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 1:02:53 GMT
I tend to agree that most politicians don't have pure intent. However, I don't think that religion has a monopoly on honesty, truth, integrity or morality, all of which can and do exist outside religion. Good, well-intentioned trustworthy people can be found anywhere. It is being replaced by woke. I mean look at the state of this country where so-called doctors are mutilating children because they have gone mad.
I don't believe the warnings in the bible were put there without good reason. You learn these things with age. The amount of homosexuality is especially troubling. I think it will progress onto paedophilia myself. Arab countries are similar.
There is no evidence that Homosexuality "progresses" to Paedophilia. Meanwhile the single largest collection of Paedophiles, their enablers and protectors, in human history remains the Catholic Church. The same Catholic Church that follows the discredited teachings of a work of fiction that you claim should be used as an arbiter of morality. Maybe you should learn the lesson of Matthew 7:3-5 Which, had you actually read the bible, you might know. All The Best |
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